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LT Shanx
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:18:00 -
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As much as I love Minnies, I just can't bring myself to continue using their dropsuits in 1.8.
Assaults with horrible slot layouts, squishy Logis who are forced to be medics, Heavies who will get torn to shreds by other Heavies, Scouts with Caldari weaponry bonuses--I just can't do it. They're all too squishy...
It's been a fun ride, but I'm going to have to let you go.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
376
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:19:00 -
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Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
2140
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:21:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too...
Logistics means more than medic, this includes Intel gathering, resupplying, av via explosives etc. The bonus forces the minmatar to be a medic.
For the Federation!
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
511
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:25:00 -
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you dont have to carry 4 repair tools.... |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1680
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:26:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too...
Tch.. Minmatar Logis have never been about being medics. Anyone who skilled into them did so with the intent of being a super hacker on crack. However, that's no longer a problem seeing as how the Minmatar will still have the fastest Logi hacker.
In all, the MinLogi will still be relatively decent. It does possess the best slot layout for any frame in the game. The only downside is it's low HP: something that does not compliment its suit bonus. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1003
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:36:00 -
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you can still run the min logi any way you want. But if you choose to rep then you'll do it better than another logi.
As to the other min suits I'm really looking forward to the 3/4 sec TOTAL stamina regen  as well as better shield regen compared to now.
Yes the Min sentinel will struggle against other sentinels but it'll be surprisingly quick - ever so slightly faster than current Commando.
I'm going to slap an assault HMG on it and use the extra manoeuvrability to surprise a few folks. Any sentinels try to come close I'll just slip away - in true minmatar style 
Heaven forbid they make a sentinel that asks you to be clever and not just steamroll in 
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
735
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:42:00 -
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I choose my suits on what I find fun, not which has the best min/max stats and I love ALL of the bonuses on all Min suits.
The scout bonus will probably be switches to Matari blades when they hit, the current is just a place holder. Hack bonus and cloak hacking is win. Also, dat speed and stamina regen...
The logi bonus doesn't exclude it from doing other logi things. By that logic all of the logi suits now suck (which may well be the opinion of some people). Personally, I like the logi suit because it has 20% hack speed and the highest stamina regen rate among logi suits. Also, since HP bars became visible with repper, healing is fun and allows me to assess and prioritise who needs healing more. Really, all of the other bonuses are quite boring in comparison, I#d rather be actively involved in using my bonus rather than have it being something I drop and leave and that can potentially be destroyed by the enemy. It's my fav logi item so I'm very pleased with the bonus.
The commando gets a bonus to my two fav weapons and the assault too (+SMG).
Matari are squishy but have the highest stamina regen across the board because you're supposed to hit and run not stand and deliver. At least that's the mentality I run with.
Most important is to be happy with what you use and enjoy it's playstyle. If Minmatar gear isn't doing that for you then it's best to move on. Good luck!
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Legacy Rising
83
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:51:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools....
I have a fit that does just for some good ol' S&G.
"Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
806
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:55:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Logistics means more than medic, this includes Intel gathering, resupplying, av via explosives etc. The bonus forces the minmatar to be a medic.
He still can do all this at least at decent levels, he is just better as a medic then everyone else.
You can still use every piece of equipment to the same degree like any suit (apart of the specialized ones)...
BTW Intel gathering should be the scouts first and primary task that's why they are called scouts...sadly CCP removed this for some reason from scouts... |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4763
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:54:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Logistics means more than medic, this includes Intel gathering, resupplying, av via explosives etc. The bonus forces the minmatar to be a medic.
You don't have to be a medic. That's just their skill.
For example, the Minmatar Scout gets a bonus to NK's, you don't have to be a ninja though.
There's also no rule that says the Minmatar Logi can't carry other equipment.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Emperor1349
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
48
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:58:00 -
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I'm still going to be laying people down in a minmatar assault, sucks they are all going to be dancing around now instead of dying when you put a whole clip in their chest.
R.I.P Mag - SVER
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3422
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:06:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools.... I have a fit that does just for some good ol' S&G.
A Six Kin Triage and Core Focused wouldn't be a bad combo actually.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
384
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:06:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Logistics means more than medic, this includes Intel gathering, resupplying, av via explosives etc. The bonus forces the minmatar to be a medic.
It still has a 20% hack bonus. It can still carry remote/proxy mines. It has a a larger scan radius I believe. I don't understand how you think it won't be able to do those things. Just because the logos have a bonus to one type of equipment does not mean the rest of the equipment becomes useless haha. This suit is hardly being forced into anything, at the very least no more/less than the rest of the logis |
shadow drake35
the third day
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:07:00 -
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logistics is a team support
MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
3110
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:14:00 -
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I think the Amar Logi will be the best suit for the repair tool because it can survive much longer on the front lines. You don't need to be the fastest suit when you are tethered to the slowest, you need eHP.
The Minmitar would have been better off with the uplink bonus as that complements its speed and stamina.
But, CCP... |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Vanguard of the Phoenix
512
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:15:00 -
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This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Vanguard of the Phoenix
512
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:16:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I think the Amar Logi will be the best suit for the repair tool because it can survive much longer on the front lines. You don't need to be the fastest suit when you are tethered to the slowest, you need eHP.
The Minmitar would have been better off with the uplink bonus as that compliments its speed and stamina.
But, CCP...
Only if you are a dummy. You will have 50% more range than the other logis, don't stand in the open like you don't have a brain.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
3110
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:17:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Skihids wrote:I think the Amar Logi will be the best suit for the repair tool because it can survive much longer on the front lines. You don't need to be the fastest suit when you are tethered to the slowest, you need eHP.
The Minmitar would have been better off with the uplink bonus as that compliments its speed and stamina.
But, CCP... Only if you are a dummy. You will have 50% more range than the other logis, don't stand in the open like you don't have a brain.
Try that indoors where the heavy is most at home.
They are always turning corners and breaking lock unless you are right behind them. |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
279
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:21:00 -
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Do swarms count as explosive weapons?
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
745
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:22:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
Bu...bu...but we don't have as much base eHP!!!!!! QQ
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
745
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:24:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons?
They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6095
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:27:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
linky
The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers"
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
3707
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:28:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Logistics means more than medic, this includes Intel gathering, resupplying, av via explosives etc. The bonus encourages the minmatar to be a medic.
FTFY
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4766
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:01:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons? They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus.
No, they're counted as missiles so they won't be included in the Minmatar bonus.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
51
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:08:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons? They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus. No, they're counted as missiles so they won't be included in the Minmatar bonus.
This.
They're Caldari tech (iirc), not Minmatar. |
COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
747
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:09:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons? They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus. No, they're counted as missiles so they won't be included in the Minmatar bonus.
Oh, did CCP Remnant change his mind?
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
758
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:12:00 -
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I love my minja. Stop with the QQ and making the rest of us look bad.
Looking for the scout hangout?
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
51
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:13:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons? They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus. No, they're counted as missiles so they won't be included in the Minmatar bonus. Oh, did CCP Remnant change his mind?
Even though they do explosive damage for some reason I recall being told they would not benefit from the Commando bonus. |
COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
747
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:16:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Do swarms count as explosive weapons? They do and are thus included in the Commando bonus. No, they're counted as missiles so they won't be included in the Minmatar bonus. Oh, did CCP Remnant change his mind? Even though they do explosive damage for some reason I recall being told they would not benefit from the Commando bonus.
Hmmm, That's unfortunate if true but good for the overall consistency of the new marriage of race and role.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
51
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:20:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:
Even though they do explosive damage for some reason I recall being told they would not benefit from the Commando bonus.
Hmmm, That's unfortunate if true but good for the overall consistency of the new marriage of race and role.
Yeah, as someone into lore and RP I'd be slightly upset if Minmatar got a substantial bonus to a Caldari weapon. |
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
2002
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:22:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
Cal scrub forgets:
1. speed doesnt matter with auto aim
2. most cpu but still requires cpu upgrades in lows.
3. Mass driver wont recieve the bonus.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
747
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:25:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:
Even though they do explosive damage for some reason I recall being told they would not benefit from the Commando bonus.
Hmmm, That's unfortunate if true but good for the overall consistency of the new marriage of race and role. Yeah, as someone into lore and RP I'd be slightly upset if Minmatar got a substantial bonus to a Caldari weapon.
*hides Nova Knives* haha
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
51
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Posted - 2014.03.24 21:31:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:3. Mass driver wont recieve the bonus.
Excuse me? |
Orin the Freak
The Solecism of Limitation
732
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:37:00 -
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As a Minmatar lover myself, I must admit... their suits are pretty bad when compared to other races. To me, the sentinel seems particularly bad.
Especially since they are nerfing damage mods (which I never spec'd into anyway. haven't had them since the beta) those 3 high slots on the heavy are pretty useless, except as an additional ~198 shield HP.
This wouldn't be the case if they add high slot modules that are more valuable. I would totally spec into the Minmatar sentinel if there were resistance modules, like in EVE. Modules that would passively increase your resistance to a particular type of damage (say.. projectile, laser, hybrid/rail, or hybrid/plasma, explosive, etc.). This would give those 3 high slots actual meaning.
Some are saying the Minmatar Sentinel isn't for tanking. Which, when you say it, sounds absolutely absurd. Thats what the Sentinel is supposed to be. EHP is the name of the game in the world of sentinels. You can go ahead and try to get away from my HMG, but you'll just get chased down by any other suit and dropped. Also, don't forget, Rail Rifles are still in the game, and still going to be one of the most powerful weapons.
Minmatar got the shaft. across the board, plain and simple. The only redeeming suit IMO is the commando suit, and the good old logi, probably only because I'm used to the logi. If, in the future they nerf the minmatar logi's slots, I will give up on Minmatar. |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2213
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:18:00 -
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Slot layout is not changing
Minmatar assault has the best bonus. 25% great clip size for light/sidearm projectile weapons? That's awesome, my assault rifle with have tons of ammo in each clip. Not having to reload as often is a huge advantage. |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2213
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:21:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing? Cal scrub forgets: 1. speed doesnt matter with auto aim
I will stop you right there, Sprint speed and how fast you can get to cover is ALL THAT MATTERS with auto-aim being as strong as it is. How fast you can get your HMG into someones face is important. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Death Firm.
455
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:23:00 -
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minmatar always have poor hp. in eve its not bad. we speed tank like mad. atm in dust speed tanking got nerfed and nothing was done about it. looking at the new suits its pretty clear minny are at the lower end of hp handouts in a game where running fast doesnt mean jack s*** when a rail rifle is pointing at you
Rolling with the punches
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1862
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:27:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing? Cal scrub forgets: 1. speed doesnt matter with auto aim I will stop you right there, Sprint speed and how fast you can get to cover is ALL THAT MATTERS with auto-aim being as strong as it is. How fast you can get your HMG into someones face is important.
Sprint speed doesn't matter with sloth effect, which is amplified by AA.
I support SP rollover.
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
425
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:30:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools....
No, but you are penalized if you do, unlike the other logi suits that reward spamming their equipment bonus. There is no point in carrying 2 or more rep tools. Unlike the Caldari or Amarr Logi, which encourages carrying 3 of their buffed equipment. 3 buffed uplinks or nanohives are infinitely better than carrying 3 or more rep tools.
I like the min logi bonus, it is just light years worse than the other bonuses when it comes to PC.
If you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Death Firm.
456
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:44:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools.... No, but you are penalized if you do, unlike the other logi suits that reward spamming their equipment bonus. There is no point in carrying 2 or more rep tools. Unlike the Caldari or Amarr Logi, which encourages carrying 3 of their buffed equipment. 3 buffed uplinks or nanohives are infinitely better than carrying 3 or more rep tools. I like the min logi bonus, it is just light years worse than the other bonuses when it comes to PC.
maybe add an extra 5% per level to efficacy of hacking modules as well as the rep tool bonus
Rolling with the punches
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
563
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:47:00 -
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Minmatar suits do suck but I'm gonna stick with the Minmatar scouts and the heavies.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
426
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:51:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools.... No, but you are penalized if you do, unlike the other logi suits that reward spamming their equipment bonus. There is no point in carrying 2 or more rep tools. Unlike the Caldari or Amarr Logi, which encourages carrying 3 of their buffed equipment. 3 buffed uplinks or nanohives are infinitely better than carrying 3 or more rep tools. I like the min logi bonus, it is just light years worse than the other bonuses when it comes to PC. maybe add an extra 5% per level to efficacy of hacking modules as well as the rep tool bonus
That would be nice, but it would tread on the min scouts territory. I would rather have one more remote explosive carried/active per level or something. Just an equipment bonus that would be as useful as the Caldari and Amarr Logi are getting.
If you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Tectonic Fusion
1296
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:51:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
LOL NOOB!
EHP > ALL
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
271
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:52:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing?
the fact that you get slowed when hit and all weapons have aim assist other than gimped ones, your post is nullified. Caldari has most CPU, we just get least Pg, and second least CPU only to gallants. The assault doesn't get the explosive bonus, and i would encourage you to use a minnie (gimped) scout before you complain about how OP nova knives are LOL
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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DiablosMajora
Occultum Scientia
Black Flame.
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:01:00 -
[45] - Quote
Back to the Amarr basic medium frame at standard/advanced. This has been hit hard by messed up hitdetection its starting to get to where it using.
Prepare you angus
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The Robot Devil
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
2114
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:03:00 -
[46] - Quote
I think that the specialized suits will add value to standard prototype suits. I may want to build a fast hacking logi that doesn't use a tool and I can use the standard suits instead of the specialized. Up until tomorrow there wasn't any reason to use a standard suit because of the built in rep.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
307
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:14:00 -
[47] - Quote
You're wrong.
- Min Logi will be crucial in PC with the rep tool bonus
- Min Sentinel is going to strafe in circles around tanks with a forge gun so fast the tank turret won't turn fast enough. Plus blaster resistance.
- Min Assault will have the largest Combat Rifle clip size and will be fast enough to use it effectively
I laugh at your CR, SMG, Magsec, HMG, lasers & plasma
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Death Firm.
456
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
Booby Tuesdays wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:Greasepalms wrote:you dont have to carry 4 repair tools.... No, but you are penalized if you do, unlike the other logi suits that reward spamming their equipment bonus. There is no point in carrying 2 or more rep tools. Unlike the Caldari or Amarr Logi, which encourages carrying 3 of their buffed equipment. 3 buffed uplinks or nanohives are infinitely better than carrying 3 or more rep tools. I like the min logi bonus, it is just light years worse than the other bonuses when it comes to PC. maybe add an extra 5% per level to efficacy of hacking modules as well as the rep tool bonus That would be nice, but it would tread on the min scouts territory. I would rather have one more remote explosive carried/active per level or something. Just an equipment bonus that would be as useful as the Caldari and Amarr Logi are getting.
+1 to explosives would be nice but then you risk a minny logi with all 3 types of RE or Prox and a hive spamming the s*** outta things. if it was just to prox mines it'd be nice and would really help the AV situation a lot. my AV logi can drop 15 prox mines atm if they could somehow balance it so i could drop 20 (with all 3 types) with the minmatar it'd be really nice
Rolling with the punches
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2216
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Posted - 2014.03.25 01:09:00 -
[49] - Quote
Vrain Matari wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing? Cal scrub forgets: 1. speed doesnt matter with auto aim I will stop you right there, Sprint speed and how fast you can get to cover is ALL THAT MATTERS with auto-aim being as strong as it is. How fast you can get your HMG into someones face is important. Sprint speed doesn't matter with sloth effect, which is amplified by AA.
AA doesn't work through walls
AA doesn't help you get to an objective faster
AA doesn't get you in range of your target so you can use AA to kill them |
The Robot Devil
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
2114
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Posted - 2014.03.25 01:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
bamboo x wrote:You're wrong.
- Min Logi will be crucial in PC with the rep tool bonus
- Min Sentinel is going to strafe in circles around tanks with a forge gun so fast the tank turret won't turn fast enough. Plus blaster resistance.
- Min Assault will have the largest Combat Rifle clip size and will be fast enough to use it effectively
I hope so, I would like to do some PC in my role.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1896
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Posted - 2014.03.25 01:50:00 -
[51] - Quote
Their scout will still be awesome especially now since they get the hacking bonus.
The other suits don't fit my tastes. The assault will be cool for their weapons as it should be and the logistics is getting a more fitting role now.
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
892
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
Minmatar is supposed to be a higher regen, lower shield ceiling version of a Caldari.
Why Shanghai doesn't find this worthy is beyond me.
Currently the only thing a Caldari can't do better than a minassault is strafe tank.
They speed tank better(medframes here) they can stealth tank better(more lows) they can boost CPU/PG AND have a spare slot or 2 for armor.
They can twintank better, as they have more PG to fit those lopsided as **** shield extenders, along with armor, damage mods, and kincats.
They can fit better weapons- more PG is a bonus to all but fitting Smg's, as they cost stupid CPU.
Now tell me 1 way a minmatar can achieve lower shield regen timers OR similar shield tank with similar shield rates?!
Not happening.
Minmatar is simply a ******, beaten up caldari frame, with an extra basic reactive plate
I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank.
Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
427
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:06:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:
+1 to explosives would be nice but then you risk a minny logi with all 3 types of RE or Prox and a hive spamming the s*** outta things. if it was just to prox mines it'd be nice and would really help the AV situation a lot. my AV logi can drop 15 prox mines atm if they could somehow balance it so i could drop 20 (with all 3 types) with the minmatar it'd be really nice
I can spam 18 uplinks already. I see no foul in being able to spam 20 remotes. Maybe this will finally be how we get a real solution to equipment spam, haha.
If you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1862
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:11:00 -
[54] - Quote
crazy space 1 wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing? Cal scrub forgets: 1. speed doesnt matter with auto aim I will stop you right there, Sprint speed and how fast you can get to cover is ALL THAT MATTERS with auto-aim being as strong as it is. How fast you can get your HMG into someones face is important. Sprint speed doesn't matter with sloth effect, which is amplified by AA. AA doesn't work through walls AA doesn't help you get to an objective faster AA doesn't get you in range of your target so you can use AA to kill them
I though we were talking about getting to cover. In fact we were talking about getting to cover. That implies somebody shooting at us.
But nice try.
I support SP rollover.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
277
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lynn Beck wrote:Minmatar is supposed to be a higher regen, lower shield ceiling version of a Caldari.
Why Shanghai doesn't find this worthy is beyond me.
Currently the only thing a Caldari can't do better than a minassault is strafe tank.
They speed tank better(medframes here) they can stealth tank better(more lows) they can boost CPU/PG AND have a spare slot or 2 for armor.
They can twintank better, as they have more PG to fit those lopsided as **** shield extenders, along with armor, damage mods, and kincats.
They can fit better weapons- more PG is a bonus to all but fitting Smg's, as they cost stupid CPU.
Now tell me 1 way a minmatar can achieve lower shield regen timers OR similar shield tank with similar shield rates?!
Not happening.
Minmatar is simply a ******, beaten up caldari frame, with an extra basic reactive plate
pretty much summed it up brother
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Lavirac JR
DUST University
Ivy League
178
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Meh, going Min commando (Got CR skilled already) and adding Massdriver. It will be good enough...
A would be logi looking for heavies in all the wrong places.
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Boot Booter
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
319
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Well I'm glad everyone thinks the min assault sucks. I will continue to destroy you with it. Oh and by the way with 1.8 it will have better stamina, stamina regen, shield recharge, shield delays, and an awesome bonus to my Combat rifle (and SMG...). |
Tectonic Fusion
1301
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Posted - 2014.03.25 04:21:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Well I'm glad everyone thinks the min assault sucks. I will continue to destroy you with it. Oh and by the way with 1.8 it will have better stamina, stamina regen, shield recharge, shield delays, and an awesome bonus to my Combat rifle (and SMG...).
Yeah. It looks nice! Yet the noobs don't realize how powerful it is...
I will skill into the Caldari scout because that is my playstyle, but you have fun with your suit.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
898
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Posted - 2014.03.25 05:17:00 -
[59] - Quote
I'll still have my Min assault, that's for damned sure. Just... Not that competitive in PC with 12 people trying to kill 6 guys on a point.
I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank.
Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
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Rusty Shallows
1237
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Posted - 2014.03.25 05:54:00 -
[60] - Quote
LT SHANKS wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Tch.. Minmatar Logis have never been about being medics. Anyone who skilled into them did so with the intent of being a super hacker on crack. However, that's no longer a problem seeing as how the Minmatar will still have the fastest Logi hacker. In all, the MinLogi will still be relatively decent. It does possess the best slot layout for any frame in the game. The only downside is it's low HP: something that does not compliment its suit bonus.
I used one back in Chrome as part of the Logi Bro 'Sever' craze. Trained for it in Uprising on the Medic ALT because CCP forced me. The hacking speed has always been a bonus. Playing these few last hours before 1.8 I can safely said any of us who did stay in the role late into Uprising are all clinically insane. This really sucks, time for something new.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
Forums > Game
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Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
599
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This has got to be a joke post right?
Leave it to minnie bastards to cry because they aren't OP enough.
Your suits are all incredibly fast, get 1/2 of a free complex module (double stamina regen), the most CPU, the best strafing (SUPER important with TTK increasing), the best hacking, the best repping, insanely powerful bonuses (+8 or so complex dmg mods for a nova knife? Double the clip of the hugely boosted mass driver??? a commando bonus that applies to the most weapons?????)
Seriously, how much better than all of the rest of the suits does minmatar have to be before you guys quit with your B.S. QQing? the fact that you get slowed when hit and all weapons have aim assist other than gimped ones, your post is nullified. Caldari has most CPU, we just get least Pg, and second least CPU only to gallants. The assault doesn't get the explosive bonus, and i would encourage you to use a minnie (gimped) scout before you complain about how OP nova knives are LOL
Caldari most cpu? really? Min, second least?
Just going to leave this here.
CPU/PG
Sentinel
C - 370/68
M - 380/64
Commando
C - 290/48
M - 300/44
Logistics
C - 370/68
M - 380/64
Assault
C - 300/60
M - 320/64
Logistics
C - 350/78
M - 390/78
Scout
C - 348/66
M - 366/62
Mad Bomber - 50% less profile
Return dumbfire to Swarms
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
119
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
Run what you feel fits your play-style. There are no rules saying you have to play a certain race or role. Fight the Way you want to fight.
I have always been a minmatar guy tho. Combat Rifle and Mass Driver fit my play styles and now im am getting suits with bonuses to weapons that i use and know how to use. The assault bonus for clip is great for the fire rate for CR and SMG. Damage bonus for MD and CR through commando. Not much of a heavy guy but the Minnie sentinel does seem like crap however I think it'll be a decent speed heavy with high regen stamina. However, i feel many will be caught off guard when a minnie shows up early to a party while the other sentinels are still hoofing in.
The only fault i see is that the assault suit slot layout. It does not make sense for minmatar to have 5 high slots. Something like that feels native for caldari that relies on shields and rechargers (both in highs). Minmatar relies on dual tanking to a degree to offset to low ehp and the ability to tank both or tank one end gives it versatility like no other suits can. Just like it can in EVE. A 4H 3L slots on minnie proto would make wonders. Boosting base shield and pg on min and boost cpu on Cal. BUT OF COURSE CCP LOGIC FOR GAME BALANCE IS THE BEST!!!.....right?
Trust in the Rust!
7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion
Combat Rifle is for Combat!
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
3126
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:02:00 -
[63] - Quote
Rusty Shallows wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Haha oh no, a logi being forced to be a medic. What is Dust coming too... Tch.. Minmatar Logis have never been about being medics. Anyone who skilled into them did so with the intent of being a super hacker on crack. However, that's no longer a problem seeing as how the Minmatar will still have the fastest Logi hacker. In all, the MinLogi will still be relatively decent. It does possess the best slot layout for any frame in the game. The only downside is it's low HP: something that does not compliment its suit bonus. I used one back in Chrome as part of the Logi Bro 'Sever' craze. Trained for it in Uprising on the Medic ALT because CCP forced me. The hacking speed has always been a bonus. Playing these few last hours before 1.8 I can safely said any of us who did stay in the role late into Uprising are all clinically insane. This really sucks, time for something new.
I'm looking forward to increased survivability with the Amar and Caldari Logi suits, the Minmitar was so squishy. |
LT Shanx
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
44
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:16:00 -
[64] - Quote
So, do any of you regret speccing into Minmatar suits now? |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
58
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
I love my Min Commando. I just wish that instead of going straight to adv I had stayed basic and used the remaining SP to get core upgrades and elec/eng to 5. Because then I'd be able to run a basic suit completely filled with advanced weapons, equipment, and modules.
But as it is I'm very happy. |
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