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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13616	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 299	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:02:00 - [2] - Quote Assault Rifles Precision Rifles (IE Snipers and Lasers) CQC (IE Shotgun) Anti-Vehicle Light (IE Swarms and PLC) Anti-Vehicle Heavy (IE forge guns) Anti-Infantry Heavy (Racial HMGs) Assault Sidearm (IE SMG and MSMG) Precision Sidearm (IE ScP, BP, IP) Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 855	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:04:00 - [3] - Quote Hunter (bows :P) Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 62	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:06:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. How about we get every race gets all of their racial weapons before we make new suggestions. Each class should have SR, Pistol, AA, Rifle, NK, Shotgun, SMG, HMG. When every class has its racial weapon, then work on vehicles, then maybe we can discuss mods to weapons (grips, silencers, scopes, crosshairs). No where can I see adding crazy ideas to an incomplete category can be useful or productive.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 268	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:07:00 - [5] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Anti-Infantry Heavy This is one I'd like to see. I forget who it was, but somebody in the last week posted an Idea for 'rocket pods', an anti-infantry heavy weapon. Long load time and small clip, but devastating explosive damage. Death from above! Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2423	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:07:00 - [6] - Quote Op Crap Why does this exist CCP Logic I'm on my phone so I can't and won't put the guns into their category out of pure laziness. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Aurra Field Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 46	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:09:00 - [7] - Quote Anything other than generic ADS Hitscan Rifles. Things like the UT2004 Shock Rifle, Quake Rockets/Tribes Spinfusor, Planetside (the original) Lasher, etc. Weapons with actual depth to them. I mean, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi game yet the most complex weapon to use is a short range Grenade Launcher.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3399	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. How about we get every race gets all of their racial weapons before we make new suggestions. Each class should have SR, Pistol, AA, Rifle, NK, Shotgun, SMG, HMG. When every class has its racial weapon, then work on vehicles, then maybe we can discuss mods to weapons (grips, silencers, scopes, crosshairs). No where can I see adding crazy ideas to an incomplete category can be useful or productive. I think the point of this is to help define those weapon classes and identify what is missing. For example, are Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon and Laser Rifle all in the same category or are there two, maybe three classes there? Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 302	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:10:00 - [9] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Anti-Infantry Heavy This is one I'd like to see. I forget who it was, but somebody in the last week posted an Idea for 'rocket pods', an anti-infantry heavy weapon. Long load time and small clip, but devastating explosive damage. Death from above! Yeah, I'd always wanted there to be a Caldari weapon that's missile-based, and a missile pod like what was in Halo 3 would be a fantastic choice. I also just want to make things go boom without using filthy Matari gear. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2423	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:10:00 - [10] - Quote Aurra Field wrote: Anything other than generic ADS Hitscan Rifles. Things like the UT2004 Shock Rifle, Quake Rockets/Tribes Spinfusor, Planetside (the original) Lasher, etc. Weapons with actual depth to them. I mean, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi game yet the most complex weapon to use is a short range Grenade Launcher. Shazbot!!!! Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(

Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 302	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:11:00 - [11] - Quote Aurra Field wrote: Anything other than generic ADS Hitscan Rifles. Things like the UT2004 Shock Rifle, Quake Rockets/Tribes Spinfusor, Planetside (the original) Lasher, etc. Weapons with actual depth to them. I mean, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi game yet the most complex weapon to use is a short range Grenade Launcher. If we could get awesome weapons like the Resistance series has in the the Augur and Bullseye, that'd be great. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13617	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:13:00 - [12] - Quote Aurra Field wrote: Anything other than generic ADS Hitscan Rifles. Things like the UT2004 Shock Rifle, Quake Rockets/Tribes Spinfusor, Planetside (the original) Lasher, etc. Weapons with actual depth to them. I mean, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi game yet the most complex weapon to use is a short range Grenade Launcher. You're going have to explain 'those classes' because chances are a simple shock rifle can be nothing more than a hitscan rifle with pretty effects. For example we know the Spinfusor is classed as a grenade/mine launcher. Lasher for all intents and purposes was a shotgun albit slow one at that. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1019	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:19:00 - [13] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Assault Rifles Precision Rifles (IE Snipers and Lasers) CQC (IE Shotgun) Anti-Vehicle Light (IE Swarms and PLC) Anti-Vehicle Heavy (IE forge guns) Anti-Infantry Heavy (Racial HMGs) Assault Sidearm (IE SMG and MSMG) Precision Sidearm (IE ScP, BP, IP) You forgot rail rifle for precision. *Assassination is my thing.*
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1847	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:24:00 - [14] - Quote Rifles Ranged Rifles (Snipers) Anti-Vehicle Light (Plasma Cannon, Swarm, Mass Driver) Pistols SMGs CQC (shotgun) Melee (Knives) Heavy AV Heavy AI Grenades Demolition Special Weapons (Laser Rifle, Flaylock?) These have no racial variants and its functions are unique to the race. I know the Flaylock could be the racial Pistol, but it's the only Pistol that doesn't work much like a pistol should so maybe it's special?
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4420	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:28:00 - [15] - Quote They should be classified with their intended role; yes, they can be in more than 1. Shock: ARs, Shotgun, PLC, etc Area-denial: Mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifle, HMG, forge gun etc Scout: Shotgun, sniper rifle, plasma cannon, etc AV: Swarm, forge, PLC, etc I am your scan error.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1077	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:32:00 - [16] - Quote Assault rifles Designated marksman rifle Sniper rifle Shotguns Pistol SMG Light AV Heavy AV Melee / knives Specialist weapons - mass driver for example Heavy anti personal close quarters Heavy anti personal long range. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2797	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:36:00 - [17] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. How about we get every race gets all of their racial weapons before we make new suggestions. Each class should have SR, Pistol, AA, Rifle, NK, Shotgun, SMG, HMG. When every class has its racial weapon, then work on vehicles, then maybe we can discuss mods to weapons (grips, silencers, scopes, crosshairs). No where can I see adding crazy ideas to an incomplete category can be useful or productive. But should it? Maybe the Gallente get a shotgun because they skirmish. Maybe the Amarr should only get a LR. Maybe the Caldari should only get a SR. Maybe the Minmatar should only get a area denial weapon(MD) Maybe, just maybe this would reflect each races individual attributes. Yes, we have racial rifles and pistols, but maybe that's all we need. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Aurra Field Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 46	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:37:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aurra Field wrote: Anything other than generic ADS Hitscan Rifles. Things like the UT2004 Shock Rifle, Quake Rockets/Tribes Spinfusor, Planetside (the original) Lasher, etc. Weapons with actual depth to them. I mean, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi game yet the most complex weapon to use is a short range Grenade Launcher. You're going have to explain 'those classes' because chances are a simple shock rifle can be nothing more than a hitscan rifle with pretty effects. For example we know the Spinfusor is classed as a grenade/mine launcher. Lasher for all intents and purposes was a shotgun albit slow one at that. The UT2004 Shock Rifle had two firing modes, one on each mouse button. Left click fired a small beam of light that looked similar to Dust's Scramble Rifle rounds, it did very little damage and was not the primary use of the weapon. Right click fired a relatively slow moving orb that traveled through the air with a small hit box in the middle. If you shot that hitbox with the beam the orb would detonate in a large radius. Misc Youtube demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgvz-Mntkc (not my vid) And calling the Lasher a shotgun is a massive disservice, it fired a single orb at a time and Shotguns don't cause chain-lightning style effects when enemies are clumped. The effect was later moved to the Maelstrom's alt-fire grenade mode but meh, the original Lasher <3 As far as 'classifying' weapons like these, I can't really think of any common attributes other than the fact all of them you aim them predicatively (where is my target going to be?) rather than reactively (where is my target now).
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 989	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Anti-Infantry Heavy This is one I'd like to see. I forget who it was, but somebody in the last week posted an Idea for 'rocket pods', an anti-infantry heavy weapon. Long load time and small clip, but devastating explosive damage. Death from above! Yeah, I'd always wanted there to be a Caldari weapon that's missile-based, and a missile pod like what was in Halo 3 would be a fantastic choice. I also just want to make things go boom without using filthy Matari gear. Most of the missiles in eve were developed by the matari and adopted by the caldari. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3400	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:42:00 - [20] - Quote The term rifle has a specific technical meaning which has been generalized into a new category. I think I'd rename it to something like Infantry Assault or Frontline Assault. Here's a rough stab at the challenge: Infantry Assault: This represents the primary infantry weapon. This class is currently complete but I could see variations added later. Infantry Defense: The submachine gun style weapons provide a light assault weapon with the fitting requirements of a sidearm. Future weapons don't need to be SMGs but instead fill this role. I don't necessarily like this name but Light Assault is confusing with the DUST slot categorization. Sidearm: A very light, usually self defense weapon. This is now complete but can be expanded later. Infantry Support: A weapon that supports the frontline troops used to soften groups or reach targets that the traditional frontline weapon has trouble with. I'd include the Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Swarm Launcher and Laser Rifle in this category. This category has the most potential for introducing new and unusual designs. I can see anti-infantry missiles, drones and sentry guns fitting this. Special Forces Assault: These are weapons suited to special tactics such as Shotgun Scouts that rush in undetected and kill quickly. Special Forces Support: This class represents long range, and generally covert, destruction of high value targets, equipment and personnel. Future weapons don't necessarily need to be sniper rifles to fill this role. Remotely guided small missiles, invisible (X-ray) lasers, and various forms of drone technology can fill this role. Heavy Infantry: HMG Heavy Support: Heavy AV, such as the Forge Gun The upcoming Precision Rifle could fall into multiple categories. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 694	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:47:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. What uh, what other use would we have for a shotgun, if not combat? One that opens doors? Knives Pistols SMGs/"Streamer" side arm (any side arm that constantly spits out damage) Fine Rifle Precision (Sniper Rifle, Laser Rifle, Precision Rifle) Support (Mass Driver, Shotgun) Light AV Heavy AV Heavy AI I say both Heavy AV and Heavy AI because heavies shouldn't be limited to 4 weapons, especially if people want to make them unable to wield Light weapons. I also don't think there's any need for anything else, and I don't think every race needs a grenade launcher or a shotgun. Let's just make sure they adhere to the Weapon Manifesto. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 62	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:56:00 - [22] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. How about we get every race gets all of their racial weapons before we make new suggestions. Each class should have SR, Pistol, AA, Rifle, NK, Shotgun, SMG, HMG. When every class has its racial weapon, then work on vehicles, then maybe we can discuss mods to weapons (grips, silencers, scopes, crosshairs). No where can I see adding crazy ideas to an incomplete category can be useful or productive. I think the point of this is to help define those weapon classes and identify what is missing. For example, are Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon and Laser Rifle all in the same category or are there two, maybe three classes there? The point was he wanted us to come up with ridiculous weapons like the shotgun flamethrower or the shotgun plasma exploder. The categories of weapons are mostly listed in picture, i cant find it, but there's a SS of each weapon and they are placed in corresponding horizontal lists. Laser rifle is a rifle. Plasma cannon is AA. Mass driver is launcher so it is also AA. That wasn't his question, but i think i answered yours.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 62	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:59:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So if you had to define classes of weapons in dust 514 what sorts would you pick? Weapon classes being "Long Rifle", "Combat Shotgun' and the like. I have my own extensive list but won't share it until others had a chance at thiers. Go crazy.Show me your list of weapon classes or weapon classes you'd like to see make it into Dust 514. How about we get every race gets all of their racial weapons before we make new suggestions. Each class should have SR, Pistol, AA, Rifle, NK, Shotgun, SMG, HMG. When every class has its racial weapon, then work on vehicles, then maybe we can discuss mods to weapons (grips, silencers, scopes, crosshairs). No where can I see adding crazy ideas to an incomplete category can be useful or productive. But should it? Maybe the Gallente get a shotgun because they skirmish. Maybe the Amarr should only get a LR. Maybe the Caldari should only get a SR. Maybe the Minmatar should only get a area denial weapon(MD) Maybe, just maybe this would reflect each races individual attributes. Yes, we have racial rifles and pistols, but maybe that's all we need. Again, there is a list. Each weapon fits into its races specific category. The LR is a rifle, the SR is a long range rifle but i expect SR variants later, much like Nk will have racial variants. Each class gets its on weapon in a specific catageory, you don't make **** up.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2095	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:03:00 - [24] - Quote Heavy Laser for AI and AV SAW type weapon that rivals the HMG but can be carried by lights and mediums. Flux MD LR with different crystals that change the range and damage but works off of the same mechanic. Flux AV prox mines Active and passive webs Smoke grenades, a few different colors - just for fun. Tracking disruption that changes the rotation speed of turrets. Many more variants of weapons, rifles that change the range and damage but also have different fitting costs so we can tweak out suits a little bit better. Have a standard AR with better range but higher fitting cost when compared to the standard and other things in that vein. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 62	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:03:00 - [25] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/xSxlftZ.png Every race has its only LAV HaV and drop ship. This is the same for weapons. http://i.imgur.com/IeaUIzU.jpg Stop making stupid posts about what is this and what is that. Until every race has its racial weapon for each category there should be no reason to do a thread such as this one. Wait until all equipment, vehicles, weapons for each class is released. Wait until weapon mods and scopes and crosshairs and even suit pain is released and then we can have such a discussion.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1533	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote OP UP meh Who wants some?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13617	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:46:00 - [27] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: http://i.imgur.com/xSxlftZ.png Every race has its only LAV HaV and drop ship. This is the same for weapons. http://i.imgur.com/IeaUIzU.jpg Stop making stupid posts about what is this and what is that. Until every race has its racial weapon for each category there should be no reason to do a thread such as this one. Wait until all equipment, vehicles, weapons for each class is released. Wait until weapon mods and scopes and crosshairs and even suit pain is released and then we can have such a discussion. The thing is we can be potentially wrong here too What if I told you I think this game has 3 pistol classes? Service Pistols - Scrambler and Ion Magnum Pistols - Bolt Heavy Pistols - Flaylock CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 269	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:55:00 - [28] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Heavy Laser for AI and AV SAW type weapon that rivals the HMG but can be carried by lights and mediums. Flux MD LR with different crystals that change the range and damage but works off of the same mechanic. Flux AV prox mines Active and passive webs Smoke grenades, a few different colors - just for fun. Tracking disruption that changes the rotation speed of turrets. Many more variants of weapons, rifles that change the range and damage but also have different fitting costs so we can tweak out suits a little bit better. Have a standard AR with better range but higher fitting cost when compared to the standard and other things in that vein. I'd love to see smoke grenades. I think they'd be great against tank spam -- just a whole squad chucking smoke grenades to provide temporary cover from blaster tanks. Flux MDs would be great for clearing rooms of equipment, or a room full of fatsuits. I'd skill into it just for that. The SAW weapon, meh. Honestly, the CR already kinda fills that role at the moment, though prolly less so after 1.7 Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3603	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:05:00 - [29] - Quote Rifles Special Grenades AV Shoulder thing Heavy anti infantry Heavy AV There should not be a gallente sniper nor a caldari shotgun.ass driver shotgun laser rifle and shotgun would be categorized as special. Mass driver should not be classified amongst swarm launcher and plasma cannon 68 inches above sea level...
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 999	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:16:00 - [30] - Quote How about...... - Light Interaction from CPM on game changing issues, not naming issues - Medium responses from actual CCP staff responding to player worries - Heavy rage input from general public, but thats the Dust Forum way Threads like this make reading the forum so pointless... Can we get more informed discussions on Gameplay, not naming We are blood thirsty Mercenaries, we don't care what you call it A new section needs to be made on Forum for these issues - Fan boy Discussion \o/ 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'



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