DUST Search - Just to be clear, tankers/avers

Tailss Prower wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

It should take a team of AV to kill my tank.

But It should take teamwork, in the form of fitting small turrets, for me to kill infantry, at least with a degree of consistency. My large turrets should wreck vehicles. The only reason I hesitate to call for large blasters to be reworked as AV is the lack of vehicles for tankers to shoot at. Beyond LAVs, dropships, and each other, what do we have to kill if such a change is made?

Why should it take a team to kill you, one clone. Please don't just reply with a variation of "because I am in a tank"

Well thats the reason if you built a tank and I mean a tank not these noob idiots who want to claim to be in a tank it would cost you around 500-700k for a fully fitted tank hell mine is 717k and your telling me that you guys want to be able to solo my tank which by the way uses small turrets with my gunners to kill infantry while me on the main gun is killing vehicles

The issue is the same one it has been since 1.7 they need to scale the modules so it is like this for example: mlt shield hardner 30% stnd 40% adv 50 proto 60 something along these lines and to limit the stupid things so you can only have 1 hardner because thats really the only problem AV has although you guys need to figure it out already that the mlt swarms will never kill a shield tank EVER unless it was a noob tank cause you know swarms are explosive and shields take less dmg from explosive. Increaseing dmg of AV will only make it 1 sided and if you was fully skilled in to AV proto with like say prof 3-5 it should only take 2 of you focus firing to make me run or to even kill me........unless my small guns get you(which will be what normally happens)

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8642	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:30:00 - [31] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: If tankers says teamork an gank, then how many avers will team need to beat 6tanks? It will definietly be more than 6 then enemy team have more infiantry to fight. How should we balance vehs v av? Buff av? Remove third view camera from vehs? Make vehs reqiure at least 2 ppl to operate them (HAVs)? One sided as always, huh P.S. AV vs tanks are like tanks vs rails. These two thing need to be solved. Increase fittings costs of hardeners slightly, decrease hardener resistances, implement a timers between when one hardener can be active and the next active, perhaps half of the cool down the first module meaning tanks can only activate 1 at a time and have between 25 and 45 seconds cool down. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 785	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:37:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mejt0 wrote: If tankers says teamork an gank, then how many avers will team need to beat 6tanks? It will definietly be more than 6 then enemy team have more infiantry to fight. How should we balance vehs v av? Buff av? Remove third view camera from vehs? Make vehs reqiure at least 2 ppl to operate them (HAVs)? One sided as always, huh P.S. AV vs tanks are like tanks vs rails. These two thing need to be solved. Increase fittings costs of hardeners slightly, decrease hardener resistances, implement a timers between when one hardener can be active and the next active, perhaps half of the cool down the first module meaning tanks can only activate 1 at a time and have between 25 and 45 seconds cool down. Personally I think the higher the tier the vehicle equipment the easier it should be to fit. This way you would be rewarded with skilling into tanks and MLT wouldn't be all that great for zero SP. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4426	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:50:00 - [33] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Just separate the turret from the pilot seat already. Not everyone runs with a squad for every single match, and I really don't like the idea of some blueberry controlling half my tank when I'm not with a squad. Not to mention this would completely alienate lone wolf players who tank. That's the same broken argument I've always seen. The only other vehicle you can solo in is an assault dropship- those require more SP and a hellovalot more ISK. If you want an HAV version of an ADS, fine. But STD and MLT HAVs shouldn't be viable to go solo in. I am your scan error.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 842	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:59:00 - [34] - Quote Outlaw OneZero wrote: axu jen wrote: Slow down tanks, seriously if they didn't get away as soon as they felt they were threatened there would be so many more dead tanks out there. No need for webifiers, they are freaking tanks for crying out loud. You do understand that modern tanks are one of the fastest ground vehicles on the battlefield, right? Webifiers are a reasonable suggestion. You know modern AV is light years ahead of Dust right? I mean it's real life. Remember balance comes first because it's a video game. Tanks need slowed down or a much more limited view. Modern tanks don't have 3rd person view.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2263	Posted - 2014.03.23 01:04:00 - [35] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Mejt0 wrote: If tankers says teamork an gank, then how many avers will team need to beat 6tanks? Depending on the amount of teamwork required 1 vehicle requires 2 AV to take it down = 12 1 vehicle requires 3 AV to take it down = 18 1 vehicle requires 4 AV to take it down = 24 and so on........ People keep saying that, but my experience has never been borne out by these assertions. Last time I went forging with a squad, there were four tanks and three of us. They were all dead inside a minute. It should not take more than three forge gunners to deal with any number of tanks, at least in pubs. It's the 2v1 at the beginning that throws out the numbers. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Tailss Prower 501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit 200	Posted - 2014.03.23 07:26:00 - [36] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Just separate the turret from the pilot seat already. Not everyone runs with a squad for every single match, and I really don't like the idea of some blueberry controlling half my tank when I'm not with a squad. Not to mention this would completely alienate lone wolf players who tank. That's the same broken argument I've always seen. The only other vehicle you can solo in is an assault dropship- those require more SP and a hellovalot more ISK. If you want an HAV version of an ADS, fine. But STD and MLT HAVs shouldn't be viable to go solo in. actually no they Don't unless your comparing the ADS to a mlt tank and those can't even be called tanks if you asked me but let me explain to you why your idear is way more game breaking since you can't use your head to see the real problem with tanks First off i use a 3 man tank because I have alot of friends who love to gun for me so I have 2 small guns on my tank if you split up the roles it would mean 4 seats in the tank so all I got to do is have 1 guy drive I use main gun and two guys on small guns and put defend order on tank hey LOOK MORE WP and me and my gunners normally get over 2-3k+ WP EACH every game just think about it if it was 4 Next you yes limited solo tanking but those like me wouldn't be effected and if anything you just promoting the pub stomping we have now where you have a squad dominating do you know how effective the tank would be if it was setup the way you are talking I would love it I wouldn't have to worry about driving because believe it or not thats the main thing thats fucks up a tanker like for example say your shooting a blaster tank and you do enough dmg that he backs up to run their is a 50% chance he will run into a wall or something making him an easy target and at teh same time he would have stopped firing while backing up if the roles were split that means all the driver has to do it focus onb driving kinda like an LAV and the gunner wouldn't stop firing even if they were backing up and to top it off it makes aiming the main gun so m uch easier so I want you to think about that and come up with a response cause even if CCP was to do that(which I know they won't )it wouldn't make it harder on me it would make it easier besides CCP can always make a tank variant that is based like that but it stronger but like what you want requires a gunner for main gun and a driver
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 2228	Posted - 2014.03.24 02:17:00 - [37] - Quote Tailss Prower wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: It should take a team of AV to kill my tank. But It should take teamwork, in the form of fitting small turrets, for me to kill infantry, at least with a degree of consistency. My large turrets should wreck vehicles. The only reason I hesitate to call for large blasters to be reworked as AV is the lack of vehicles for tankers to shoot at. Beyond LAVs, dropships, and each other, what do we have to kill if such a change is made? Why should it take a team to kill you, one clone. Please don't just reply with a variation of "because I am in a tank" Well thats the reason if you built a tank and I mean a tank not these noob idiots who want to claim to be in a tank it would cost you around 500-700k for a fully fitted tank hell mine is 717k and your telling me that you guys want to be able to solo my tank which by the way uses small turrets with my gunners to kill infantry while me on the main gun is killing vehicles The issue is the same one it has been since 1.7 they need to scale the modules so it is like this for example: mlt shield hardner 30% stnd 40% adv 50 proto 60 something along these lines and to limit the stupid things so you can only have 1 hardner because thats really the only problem AV has although you guys need to figure it out already that the mlt swarms will never kill a shield tank EVER unless it was a noob tank cause you know swarms are explosive and shields take less dmg from explosive. Increaseing dmg of AV will only make it 1 sided and if you was fully skilled in to AV proto with like say prof 3-5 it should only take 2 of you focus firing to make me run or to even kill me........unless my small guns get you(which will be what normally happens) well said. tanks are balanced in PC. Every tank you see is at least 450k and millions upon millions of SP to operate. They are rarely out on a mission to stomp infantry...well, sort of. Each team will have 1 infantry stomper tank and probably 3-5 rail tanks protecting the blaster tank/sniping ADS'. it works because the losing team will quickly go bankrupt and each team has multiple tanks of similar skill. In PC, the balance is more an issue of how worthless Madrugars in in TvT battles; hell, if you see a madrugar blaster, it's either a noob or one of the best tankers in Dust. CCP did a great job of balancing tanks around PC, which is what we asked for, but at the same time, this balance screwed everyone outside of PC. I guess...add webifiers. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 2228	Posted - 2014.03.24 02:18:00 - [38] - Quote that's the issue. tanks are perfectly balanced in PC vs infantry bc only if you forgot to bring tanks will you get stomped by them. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Soldiersaint Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 756	Posted - 2014.03.24 02:26:00 - [39] - Quote axu jen wrote: Slow down tanks, seriously if they didn't get away as soon as they felt they were threatened there would be so many more dead tanks out there. No need for webifiers, they are freaking tanks for crying out loud. future tanks. get your facts straight.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1944	Posted - 2014.03.24 02:40:00 - [40] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: that's the issue. tanks are perfectly balanced in PC vs infantry bc only if you forgot to bring tanks will you get stomped by them. "If you forgot to bring HAV's you'll get stomped by them". Dude, it's the same problem in pubs. Do you even play the full game? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-



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