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WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:18:00 - [1] - Quote CCP or CPM or the whole community? 4KD Minmatar Assault Weapon sp refund please
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2263	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:21:00 - [2] - Quote What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3062	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:22:00 - [3] - Quote lolcpm of course Not represeting the community since it began Intelligence is OP
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 958	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:22:00 - [4] - Quote Yourself. People who do are usually the envy of those who only watch Parkour involves seeing one's environment in a new way
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 236	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:23:00 - [5] - Quote Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap!
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1280	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Yourself, for expecting to get it back in the first place? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:28:00 - [7] - Quote Yourself, for not putting the SP into something you might actually use. Just because the suits changed doesn't mean the equipment becomes useless.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2579	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:29:00 - [8] - Quote Cry more, losers. These respec template threads are getting less creative as well. Hail Satan
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5233	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:33:00 - [9] - Quote ....Sits in the corner with 9.8 unallocated SP and laughs Realizes that the only thing he wants coming out is the Ion Pistol, Cries *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:35:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: ....Sits in the corner with 9.8 unallocated SP and laughs Realizes that the only thing he wants coming out is the Ion Pistol, Cries how did you get a 8/10 of a SP?

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1935	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:37:00 - [11] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1191	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:40:00 - [12] - Quote Ccp marketing department as usually. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 823	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:44:00 - [13] - Quote CCP gets the blame. I submitted a support ticket as CCP Devs have said to contact support regarding issues like this. What do I get as a response? CCP Customer Support telling me to go to the forums and petition the Developers. So i'm stuck in an endless petition/support loop and the universe is now going to implode upon itself! Get it together CCP!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2266	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:46:00 - [14] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1069	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:46:00 - [15] - Quote Ugh, every time I need to post thisGÇª This is not supposed to be a RESPEC. It's a REFUND, allowing you to use a new suit IN THE ROLE YOU'VE ALREADY CHOSEN over the place-holder suits (really, it should apply to Scout and Heavies, but I guess a blanket refund is more manageable). Your core and weapons skills should still support the role you've chosen. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1935	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Dingleburt Bangledack PiZzA DuDeS 41	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote It's possibly the community's fault. Who's to say that CCP decided against a full refund simply out of spite due to the endless, constant QQ over everything imaginable? Nothing wrong with a little tough love now and then. (Note: I was all for a full refund but Mauler + MCC event reward SP... I'm all set.)
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2271	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. ...and i'm telling you that its their company, they can do what they want.
Zack3000 Smith SilenT AngelS 34	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:53:00 - [19] - Quote BLAME CANADA...BLAME CANADA WITH THEIR BEADY LITTLE EYES.. BLAME CANADA...BLAME CANADA
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3206	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote It wasn't an issue when it came to vehicles. Full buyback, full respec for all things vehicle.... CCP wrote: Infantry, have you not learned that we don't give a **** about your plight? HAV or GTFO, tryhards. I GÖú Kittens.

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 254	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:54:00 - [21] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: CCP or CPM or the whole community? it was the fault of team EVENT MEDIC who workhard/overtime to counter the efforts of the community. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 34	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:56:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. I personally don't think you should get a refund on anything. Example: I go to school for Engineering for 4 years, but then decide I don't want to be an engineer . Now I want to be a broadcaster. Should the school refund all my money for education in engineering, and if so, how do I delete all the knowledge from my brain/
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2273	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:01:00 - [23] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. I personally don't think you should get a refund on anything. Example: I go to school for Engineering for 4 years, but then decide I don't want to be an engineer . Now I want to be a broadcaster. Should the school refund all my money for education in engineering, and if so, how do I delete all the knowledge from my brain? Yeah, its not fair that they waited 8 years to develop meta deta analysis, crowd sourcing, crypto-currencies, and algorythm based search engine optimization packages for website design!! They should fire anyone working in those fields now, let anyone go back to school who wants to study for those so EVERYONE can have a shot at those lucrative jobs!!
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 81	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:03:00 - [24] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Cry more, losers. These respec template threads are getting less creative as well. no kidding im over it cause of 2mil clone challenge i can get the suits and still stay all in my faction anymore this whole fourm is full of wha wha nerf hfey you asked for lower TTK MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 271	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:04:00 - [25] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? Because all the scrub crutch using vehicle users got a full respec GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 606	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:06:00 - [26] - Quote Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3088	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:13:00 - [27] - Quote Don't you know that you should reserve all your SP until CCP releases all the core content? You should run pure starter fits until such a time comes to pass, say another year or two when all the vehicles are delivered. After that you can start spending your SP, but with the knowledge that CCP can make any choice obsolete by introducing a better variant of whatever it is, so never take any skill beyond Operations 3.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3209	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:17:00 - [28] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see. I skilled them the day we got them because I was sick of SMGs and Pistols. Now, I'm stuck with 3,000,000 SP wasted because of chickenshits like you. Funny, somebody from TP getting uppity about FotM chasers... I GÖú Kittens.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 242	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:22:00 - [29] - Quote CCP are the only ones to blame. I dont even care what CPM said - there is a mountain of a thread with perfectly valid arguments and CCP's proud basis for the game that they went against. That said, they have tossed and continue to toss around much SP but if you are one of those people who like everything nice and neat, you will be left with unused weapons and equipment. To those saying its your fault, they are just being silly or easily amused. Its only CCP's fault they cant balance or deliver content in a timely fashion. "Shine bright like a diamond"
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 243	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:40:00 - [30] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolcpm of course Not represeting the community since it began And you still haven't proposed a better way to represent the community, go figure...

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1371	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:50:00 - [31] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: CCP or CPM or the whole community? the person who spent those sp.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1371	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:54:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. I have 17 million sp into weaponry. it would be completely unreasonable to give me those sp back. what changed about the weapons minus a small balance?
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 607	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:06:00 - [33] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see. I skilled them the day we got them because I was sick of SMGs and Pistols. Now, I'm stuck with 3,000,000 SP wasted because of chickenshits like you. Funny, somebody from TP getting uppity about FotM chasers... We regularly made agreements to not use the flaylock pistol with our opponent and so long as they honored them, we kept the agreements.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1286	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:07:00 - [34] - Quote I always enjoy the utter hostility of these threads. Anything but all-out compliance is considered a complete failure to comply and someone has to be blamed for this supposed failure. A reasonable exchange can not be had under such circumstances. The fact that all the same people chose to repeatedly and willfully ignore even the most simple rules, enacted spcifically to prevent the kind of outright heckling that is on display yet again, is testament of an unproductive, undiscerning attitute. My condolences go to those who are willing to communicate their concerns properly in order to reach workable compromise for everyone involved. OP, wether he doesn't realize... or care, is actively working against your and, arguably, his own interests. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 90	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:12:00 - [35] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec...
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 44	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:14:00 - [36] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: CCP or CPM or the whole community? Squarely on the community vets. They have their SP diversified and are able to be constantly saving up. To them, if everyone gets a refund, then everyone can optimize suddenly the game is more challenging. But without a refund? They have the bigger savings and the best chance to optimize any FOTM fittings. This allows them to keep their dominance. When you think of it....weapon upgrades are slashed 50%, Grenadier slashed 33%, Heavy Fittings altered because of the new suit lineups.....who would oppose adjusting this to account for the changes? Who would have the motive to force players with limited SP to keep bad fittings? Answer : Selfish vets.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 405	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:24:00 - [37] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: It wasn't an issue when it came to vehicles. Full buyback, full respec for all things vehicle.... CCP wrote: Infantry, have you not learned that we don't give a **** about your plight? HAV or GTFO, tryhards. It wasn't full . I had shield boosters and such that I didn't get refunded for . All they gave money for is for what was discontinued . Like mods and such isk wise . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2282	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:35:00 - [38] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: WUT ANG wrote: CCP or CPM or the whole community? Squarely on the community vets. They have their SP diversified and are able to be constantly saving up. To them, if everyone gets a refund, then everyone can optimize suddenly the game is more challenging. But without a refund? They have the bigger savings and the best chance to optimize any FOTM fittings. This allows them to keep their dominance. When you think of it....weapon upgrades are slashed 50%, Grenadier slashed 33%, Heavy Fittings altered because of the new suit lineups.....who would oppose adjusting this to account for the changes? Who would have the motive to force players with limited SP to keep bad fittings? Answer : Selfish vets. ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec... It will remain a game in beta for as long as the albatross vets hang around its neck. Everyone should always invest the first chunk of SP they get into core upgrades, a weapon or two, and then probably a medium suit. If you've spent the majority of your SP on weapons or dropsuits, you did it wrong. This isn't about vets. After about 5-6 million SP, you can be about 75-80% as effective as 'vets' in a lot of situations.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 638	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:44:00 - [39] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see. Sorry but NO. Some people are not FOTM follower or users. Some people want to have a dedicated playstile. Most of the FOTM where weapon, that take nearly one week to skill from STD to PROTO, and with 1,8 prof on some weapon is not so important anymore. When you add bonus to something you MUST give Respec. A Min LOGI could have proto cod breakers. But since now he is becoming a Heavi-repper maybe he just want to switch his SP on a repper. FOTM is the symptom, not the cause Hell, even dark soul 2 give respecc!!!!! Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:45:00 - [40] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec... I ask this with respect and not hostility: Why do you feel you deserve to try new weapons and suits at proto level on day 1? If you DO want that option, why do you not save your SP when changes are announced or new content is being added? It's not like the 1.8 patch notes were the first time anyone heard of the changes that were coming. I have 30+ mil sp, I have maybe 100K banked up. I knew these changes were coming months ago but that didn't change the way I play the game. I got 3 mil SP from the past weekend event, and almost all of it is gone. I will be unable to skill instantly into any of the new weapons, and will only be able to switch suits. Suits that will most likely be the exact same ones I already have, sans the Amarr heavy, that will become the Gallente heavy.

ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 90	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:49:00 - [41] - Quote RayRay James wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec... I ask this with respect and not hostility: Why do you feel you deserve to try new weapons and suits at proto level on day 1? If you DO want that option, why do you not save your SP when changes are announced or new content is being added? It's not like the 1.8 patch notes were the first time anyone heard of the changes that were coming. I have 30+ mil sp, I have maybe 100K banked up. I knew these changes were coming months ago but that didn't change the way I play the game. I got 3 mil SP from the past weekend event, and almost all of it is gone. I will be unable to skill instantly into any of the new weapons, and will only be able to switch suits. Suits that will most likely be the exact same ones I already have, sans the Amarr heavy, that will become the Gallente heavy. How am i suppose to test things out & give feedback for CCP, with just a Dropsuit Respec? & i'm not one of those that go for FOTM...
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:49:00 - [42] - Quote Jastad wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see. Sorry but NO. Some people are not FOTM follower or users. Some people want to have a dedicated playstile. Most of the FOTM where weapon, that take nearly one week to skill from STD to PROTO, and with 1,8 prof on some weapon is not so important anymore. When you add bonus to something you MUST give Respec. A Min LOGI could have proto cod breakers. But since now he is becoming a Heavi-repper maybe he just want to switch his SP on a repper. FOTM is the symptom, not the cause Hell, even dark soul 2 give respecc!!!!! Is it really that hard to just train into something new? As you mentioned, it takes roughly a week to train from STD to PRO. Your options are to bank SP before the release or get the weapon/suit/whatever a week later. Do you really need it RIGHT NOW because something new was added or changed? Also, your example of a dedicated mini logi isnt a FOTM problem, it's a player who is a MIN/Max'er. There's nothing wrong with being hyper focused on a playstyle, you just have to accept that things change, new technology is released, and you may have to train something new.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2649	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:57:00 - [43] - Quote given that a lot of people just threw away thier SP a few days before a patch that kinda proves that the wider communty does not understand the core concepets of dust and is comepltly pointless refunding it as everyone will spec into FOTM stuff and then QQ no end that they need another refuned. change happens, simplely harden up and gind out the SP to what ever FOTM you need to get your kills, the rest of community will be kicking your ass anyway "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 670	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:59:00 - [44] - Quote Jastad wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Like I said before. Yourself. You aren't getting those Flaylock SP back you FoTM chasing scrub. They are stuck in that void forever and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll consider the notion of a weapon respec if it involves those that had rank 5 flaylock pistol being branded with "FP SCRUB" on their clones forehead for all to see. Sorry but NO. Some people are not FOTM follower or users. Some people want to have a dedicated playstile. Most of the FOTM where weapon, that take nearly one week to skill from STD to PROTO, and with 1,8 prof on some weapon is not so important anymore. When you add bonus to something you MUST give Respec. A Min LOGI could have proto cod breakers. But since now he is becoming a Heavi-repper maybe he just want to switch his SP on a repper. FOTM is the symptom, not the cause Hell, even dark soul 2 give respecc!!!!! Exactly. When you change what the skill does, then it should be refunded. When you change what the weapon does, it should be refunded. I skilled into this or that because of what it DOES not because "please god don't let ccp change it in the future". Most of you are so mad that you got murdered from those Flaylocks or TAC's or Lasers or Mass Drivers way back when that you are forgetting that these weapons have all been completely changed (Some several times). Vechicles have been changed and their SP was refunded. Dropsuits are going to be changed (and some are only just changing the bonus) and yet we are getting a full dropsuit refund. The consistency is definitely not present here. If they wanted to be consistent then they wouldn't have given us our SP back for the dropsuits. Because only the bonuses are changing (just like with the weapons proficiency and with the equipment etc). We didn't get a weapon respec when the combat rifle or rail rifle were released did we? The inconsistency is irritating. And before you go on cursing, I really don't give a **** if I get my weapon Sp back. At 35m Sp I'm sitting pretty (pun from BBT) on everything I could ever want and lots more. Though it would be nice to to get a weapon Respec out of AV that I no longer ever wish to use EVER lolol Newb
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1083	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:04:00 - [45] - Quote I don't like to sound reactionary but the whole respec thing is now officially old news. Tuesdays is likely the last ever and the level of entitlement that some feel that they are owed on this issue is a bit disturbing. I think in nearly 5 years of playing Eve there has only been one respec and that was when they got rid of the learning skills. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University CPM1 candidate
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1286	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:20:00 - [46] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: I don't like to sound reactionary but the whole respec thing is now officially old news. Tuesdays is likely the last ever and the level of entitlement that some feel that they are owed on this issue is a bit disturbing. I think in nearly 5 years of playing Eve there has only been one respec and that was when they got rid of the learning skills. Small ~~correction~~ clarification on the last bit. Only the points trained into those removed skills were refunded. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:28:00 - [47] - Quote You blame yourself for chasing FOTM. Othewise why would you even want a respec? TOLD514
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:30:00 - [48] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: RayRay James wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec... I ask this with respect and not hostility: Why do you feel you deserve to try new weapons and suits at proto level on day 1? If you DO want that option, why do you not save your SP when changes are announced or new content is being added? It's not like the 1.8 patch notes were the first time anyone heard of the changes that were coming. I have 30+ mil sp, I have maybe 100K banked up. I knew these changes were coming months ago but that didn't change the way I play the game. I got 3 mil SP from the past weekend event, and almost all of it is gone. I will be unable to skill instantly into any of the new weapons, and will only be able to switch suits. Suits that will most likely be the exact same ones I already have, sans the Amarr heavy, that will become the Gallente heavy. How am i suppose to test things out & give feedback for CCP, with just a Dropsuit Respec? & i'm not one of those that go for FOTM... Train through the STD, ADV, PRO at a normal rate and test them as opposed to skipping STD and ADV and going straight to PRO? That's normally how testing is done.
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:34:00 - [49] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! This is not necessarily true. I had made a long and hard decision on what to spec into, and had specced my assault rifle into proficiency 4. now, the assault rifle doesn't even get a damage bonus to armor; only to the already-low hp shields, rendering it worthless. Its like saying that it's my fault that I spent all my money on a Ferrari when it had been turned into a tricycle. Minmatar Dropship. Uprising 1.7.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:39:00 - [50] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! This is not necessarily true. I had made a long and hard decision on what to spec into, and had specced my assault rifle into proficiency 4. now, the assault rifle doesn't even get a damage bonus to armor; only to the already-low hp shields, rendering it worthless. Its like saying that it's my fault that I spent all my money on a Ferrari when it had been turned into a tricycle. While I LOLed at your Ferrari/Tricycle analogy, the AR is far from worthless now and after 1.8 I'll have to reevaluate but I doubt that it will be a wet noodle

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3089	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:43:00 - [51] - Quote low genius wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: What makes you think you deserve it? Why didn't you save some? Whats wrong with the 1-3 million you just got? How the hogwash did you spend ALL of your weapon SP in stuff you don't want now? What makes you think it's reasonable to not refund all infantry SP? They own the company. Lol I'm asking you for your opinion on why it's unreasonable to get all infantry SP back. I have 17 million sp into weaponry. it would be completely unreasonable to give me those sp back. what changed about the weapons minus a small balance? Well for starters CCP added three weapons that outclass the AR, including one that is a sidearm. Anyone who invested several million SP into it now have the choice of using it at a disadvantage or discarding it and the SP investment to grind into the new standard. It wouldn't be an issue if the new weapons were balanced, but together they constitute power creep that renders the old obsolete.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 91	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:49:00 - [52] - Quote RayRay James wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: RayRay James wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! You do realise that the game is still in beta, people like you are treating it as a full game, it isn't... Their will be new changes coming to Dust with each patch & 1.8 change the whole Infantry & their fore needs a full infantry respec, because at the moment i can't try out both new weapons & suits with a dropsuit respec... I ask this with respect and not hostility: Why do you feel you deserve to try new weapons and suits at proto level on day 1? If you DO want that option, why do you not save your SP when changes are announced or new content is being added? It's not like the 1.8 patch notes were the first time anyone heard of the changes that were coming. I have 30+ mil sp, I have maybe 100K banked up. I knew these changes were coming months ago but that didn't change the way I play the game. I got 3 mil SP from the past weekend event, and almost all of it is gone. I will be unable to skill instantly into any of the new weapons, and will only be able to switch suits. Suits that will most likely be the exact same ones I already have, sans the Amarr heavy, that will become the Gallente heavy. How am i suppose to test things out & give feedback for CCP, with just a Dropsuit Respec? & i'm not one of those that go for FOTM... Train through the STD, ADV, PRO at a normal rate and test them as opposed to skipping STD and ADV and going straight to PRO? That's normally how testing is done. All i'll be spending those refuded SP point's, is back to my Dropsuits as their's no point to do any testing. "Train through the STD, ADV, PRO at a normal rate and test them as opposed to skipping STD and ADV and going straight to PRO?" That's obvious & that's what i do with my refunded SP. You also treat the game as a full one.
Rusty Shallows 1175	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:51:00 - [53] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: It wasn't an issue when it came to vehicles. Full buyback, full respec for all things vehicle.... CCP wrote: Infantry, have you not learned that we don't give a **** about your plight? HAV or GTFO, tryhards. Are you aware CCP is going to hunt you down for leaking that? I don't blame the CPM. In general they back sizable groups that are getting the short end of the stick. My prediction when the CPM0 was announced is they'd be asbestos underwear for CCP decisions. More or less that's been true. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
TuFar Gon Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:04:00 - [54] - Quote If one doesnt want to be hvy anymore,just for a game change,why should I b stuck with sp on hvy weapons? Makes no sense to make players spec back into hvy stuff so as not to waiste sp,,not being given a choice here are we? Guess I'll stay fat,,,,what was the point of new hvy suits without adding hvy weapons,typical stuff
Rusty Shallows 1175	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:18:00 - [55] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Snip Example: I go to school for Engineering for 4 years, but then decide I don't want to be an engineer . Now I want to be a broadcaster. Should the school refund all my money for education in engineering, and if so, how do I delete all the knowledge from my brain? That doesn't even make any sense. You are comparing a science to an entertainment while ignoring the problem is not even the skills but the gear. Let me fix it for you. Example: While in Infantry Basic I qualified for a sniper course. After completion I am assigned an M14 sniper rifle. On my third deployment between firefights it magically changes into an early 20th century bolt action rifle. As a designated marksman I am still able to fulfill that role to the platoon albeit in a greatly diminished capacity. The whole thing doesn't make any sense. My takeaway is either leave the weapons alone or issue refunds. In an ideal world CCP would make careful decisions with some sane game balance behind them. Instead they whimsically pick new winner and losers. I will be praying to God that Uprising 1.8 will be the first time they shake these fundamental problems. Edit: For the love of God auto-incorrect is killing me. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1020	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:19:00 - [56] - Quote Blame FotM chasers Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 152	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:29:00 - [57] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Hey CCP Lockingbro, can you please lock all threads of crybabies that ask for a respec? @OP, it's your own fault that you skill into the wrong crap! OK one thing here stupid needle im a vet with over 30mil sp and I could care less about refunded whatever I just asked a question! Because noobs like yourself needed some help. 4KD Minmatar Assault Weapon sp refund please
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 322	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:33:00 - [58] - Quote No one. Because you don't need your weapon SP back. You want to be able to use some new shiny toys getting released? Then grind for sp like everybody else you lazy bum!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1415	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:33:00 - [59] - Quote You are getting Dropsuit Command only, get over it. Six months down the road when they balance everything again"and they will" and you want back into the weapons you have now and would spec out of with a full infantry respect, are you going to want another respec? Grow some nut and really look at something well before you spec into it. No sympathy here... CEO Whiskey squad leader Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 901	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:37:00 - [60] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: It wasn't an issue when it came to vehicles. Full buyback, full respec for all things vehicle.... CCP wrote: Infantry, have you not learned that we don't give a **** about your plight? HAV or GTFO, tryhards. Because all vehicles were changing. Modules were changing, hulls were changing, hell even the turrets changed. Skills were removed or combined with others, literally everything about vehicles changed. Thus a full vehicle respect. That being said, a weapon respect would be justified. If certain suits are getting bonuses for certain weapons, then it makes sense for a weapons respect to follow along with a dropsuit command respect. But, be thankful we are getting a refund at all. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.

Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:34:00 - [61] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: CCP or CPM or the whole community? CCP makes all decisions, the community is just a joke. There's no real consensus just a few elite (24m SP) pricks who want to better their performance in game and don't care for anyone else. There should not have been a weapon refund or drop suit core refund, perhaps there was an argument to be made for equipment but even that was dicey. Until all racial weapons are released there should not be a refund, until all racial grenades are released their should not be a refund.,, i doubt there will ever be a refund for weapons or nades but i do hope this is the case at some point. I know CCP screwed everyone on weapon proficiency but thats how the cookie crumbles sometimes. There are a lot of players who are getting out of Logi and assault who have spent close to 4m SP in equipment skills such as drop links, hives/needles, repair tools, and scanners. This SP is now completely useless but i wouldn't want it re-spec'd unless all racial equipment is released. I don't expect a re-spec unless all weapons/nades or equipment is released.. That being said if CCP makes significant changes to the skill tree which is possible there would have to be a re-spec at that point . The problem is the community sees non-issues as issues while the major issues like matchmaking, improved FPS, and end to tank spam are not issues the elite players want address. The elite instead want to end the redline to improve their spawn camping, want to nerf snipers, and want to end any chance their ADS or Tanks are killed by low SP players. They are simply self-interested pricks who for the most part don't care about the game growing, improved experience for all, or a balanced game.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3575	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:43:00 - [62] - Quote Community & CCP: CPM innocent CCP released 2 OP weapons that were quickly picked up by MANY and devastated the ecosystem. Fault on CCP Community viciously embraced FOTM and thus feedback was jammed and spammed into two categories: Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle. Because Community is too liable to flock to a FOTM like a magnet, CCP will not release respec on weapons. Because CCP could not produce equal weapons, they are too liable for creating FOTM magnets to be trusted with a weapon respec. Alas I still wish. 68 inches above sea level...


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