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Ace Boone G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 37	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:04:00 - [1] - Quote It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? meh.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8444	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:07:00 - [2] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? What trailer? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1424	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:08:00 - [3] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? Deliver the goods OP before I deliver "the goods" OP. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:08:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? What trailer? yes which trailer? there were a few around last fanfest After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1790	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:09:00 - [5] - Quote It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 719	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:13:00 - [6] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Ace Boone G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 37	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:13:00 - [7] - Quote Added the link. meh.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8444	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:18:00 - [8] - Quote You do know CCP originally developed Dust on an entirely different high performance engine.....then settled for Unreal 3 when they realised Carbon would melt our consoles. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4575	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:21:00 - [9] - Quote That was an early trailer built in the Carbon engine, which they originally tried to run the game on. Unfortunately, whether because of sheer overpowered-ness or poor optimisation for the system, the engine melted several PS3s, so they had to move to something less processing-intensive in order to actually make it viable.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8447	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:23:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: That was an early trailer built in the Carbon engine, which they originally tried to run the game on. Unfortunately, whether because of sheer overpowered-ness or poor optimisation for the system, the engine melted several PS3s, so they had to move to something less processing-intensive in order to actually make it viable. To our detriment. Carbon was what attracted people to Dust 514....what we have now only traps them here. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:23:00 - [11] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Added the link. oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3590	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote Concept video. All developers does this. And we speak as this game doesn't have a constant development process ongoing. The game has grown and continue to grow. We'll get there when we get there. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8447	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:28:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Concept video. All developers does this. And we speak as this game doesn't have a constant development process ongoing. The game has grown and continue to grow. We'll get there when we get there. Sure but Carbon was available to build on in 2010.....nearing the end of the PS3's life span, CCP had to have realised that when they were ready to release they would be bordering next gen...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3591	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:32:00 - [14] - Quote Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8453	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:36:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:42:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8460	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:45:00 - [17] - Quote da GAND wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. Dude do you remember the accurate suspension that LAV used to display? That looked incredible....as opposed to how them flip now...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1797	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:46:00 - [18] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. I lol'd. If I could post pictures, I'd show you a reaction to your post. I mostly play console. I only have 2 PC games and stopped playing them because my PC is crap. Next time, try harder. I do not accept your apology.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 184	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:47:00 - [19] - Quote DONT WORRY GUYS!! CCP probobly has all the good old stuff stored on a computer somewhere. Why would they delete all that good stuff that was in the trailer???? This game need more vehicles!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:54:00 - [20] - Quote thesupertman wrote: DONT WORRY GUYS!! CCP probobly has all the good old stuff stored on a computer somewhere. Why would they delete all that good stuff that was in the trailer???? lol that's actually what I thought after Uprisings release but more like " ok it's not too bad right now, still a lobby shooter just like in chromosome despite all the changes, looks like heavies aren't too happy though. we'll probably be able to get out of our quarters in the next update and have more things to do" oh man such disappointment nearly over a year later, nothing has changed despite these updates. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

Master Smurf Nos Nothi 235	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:00:00 - [21] - Quote The game probably wont look that good until PS5 or at least a good way into the PS4 genereation. I think that is what GAF likes to refer to as the downgrade "Shine bright like a diamond"
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 536	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:08:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: da GAND wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. Dude do you remember the accurate suspension that LAV used to display? That looked incredible....as opposed to how them flip now...... oh ya that was fun, couldn't last 3 seconds without flipping over lol. I couldn't blame the LAV though the maps were and still are full of small craters and hills. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3202	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote They just wanted to get on George Lucas' level of "Trailer Trolling". I GÖú Kittens.
Avery Blue Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:14:00 - [24] - Quote Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 536	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:24:00 - [25] - Quote Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. hmmm does like a pretty similar situation , and they did delay halo 2 a bit . I never owned any of the halo games but my buddy did. We played co-op campaign for halo 2 whenever i was over and it was pretty fun. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3595	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:26:00 - [26] - Quote Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. ha, so basically...concept video. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 538	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:33:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. ha, so basically...concept video. pretty much, can't get angry for CCP for that trailer but those trailers around last fanfest.... so much damn hype. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 224	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:37:00 - [28] - Quote I'm not too worried about graphics right now. I say hold off and making it super purrty until the PS4 port. Who knows they may be able to use Carbon on PS4's without melting them. PvE 2014
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1156	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:37:00 - [29] - Quote One thing that really stuck out in that trailer was the phenomenal sound design. I wonder if CCP could revisit those and incorporate them into the game (especially the sounds of the MCC fired missiles)? Best PvE idea ever!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 539	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:39:00 - [30] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: One thing that really stuck out in that trailer was the phenomenal sound design. I wonder if CCP could revisit those and incorporate them into the game (especially the sounds of the MCC fired missiles)? oh ya that sound lol it was pretty good After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 539	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:51:00 - [31] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: I'm not too worried about graphics right now. I say hold off and making it super purrty until the PS4 port. Who knows they may be able to use Carbon on PS4's without melting them. I would've been fine with the graphics in the chromosome build if the game became more of an MMO-FPS After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
XxVEXESxX Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.03.20 06:00:00 - [32] - Quote Those tank speeds. one feature they should have stuck too.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 54	Posted - 2014.03.20 06:03:00 - [33] - Quote There are worse games with better "gameplay videos" and half of that looked like it was an eve cutscene anyway. Yes it does look prettier but prefer ps3 unmelted personally. No reason why the game cant be better then that on ps4 or computer with a 2.0 version of the game. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLine (http://youtu.be/dYFCqN13TII?t=20)
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 236	Posted - 2014.03.20 07:21:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You do know CCP originally developed Dust on an entirely different high performance engine.....then settled for Unreal 3 when they realised Carbon would melt our consoles. "high performance"? The captains quarters in EVE still manages to melt some PC's out there...
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3052	Posted - 2014.03.20 07:42:00 - [35] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. People can tell you're a console gamer because you shove your inferiority complex in the face of others. The reality is that consoles are overpriced and underperform compared to PCs. Joel is correct, the problem is that the trailer linked in the OP was what they originally envisioned for the game, but they were used to developing for PC rather than consoles and brutally overshot in regards to what a PS3 (an 8 year old piece of hardware) can handle.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1583	Posted - 2014.03.20 09:25:00 - [36] - Quote There was a time when CCP was on a high; an arrogant, delirious high, with DUST 514 and their Carbon engine. DUST was to be an extension of the whole ambulation, Incarna concept. The development then crashed, systems crashed. CCP tucked tail, lowered their aspirations, settled for less and still took the wrong turn. Now we have an Unreal engine based game on a console with no connection to EVE other than branding. EVE players didn't care about it, it got overhyped before development and now, console players could care less as well. Right now this is a massive salvage effort with a big do-over process taking up most of the development. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13567	Posted - 2014.03.20 09:40:00 - [37] - Quote Parts of Carbon are STILL running Dust 514; Carbon is a backbone engine mostly you can plug other engines into it or take parts of carbon and shove them into similar other engines. UE3 engine (not to be confused with UDK) we have is excessively heavily modified that unfortunately cannot be ported as is over to UE4 without significant amount of work. It be easier to port in parts of UE4 at this point. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2638	Posted - 2014.03.20 10:52:00 - [38] - Quote Sadly what happens when the lead desginer has more ego than sense. Im hoping rogue gives us a much more balanced presentation this year, fanfest this year is a very important one for quite a few vets "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3047	Posted - 2014.03.20 10:53:00 - [39] - Quote Damn i remember seeing that It did look good Intelligence is OP
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1037	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:13:00 - [40] - Quote This is not a big deal frankly. We know they had Unread Engine 4 in house, also Dust was originally demoed on their own engine not UE4. And they use PC development boxes in places that are not Shanghai. Although what they use in Shanghai is unknown I would be surprised if Shanghai was ever involved considering the timing. Why you would care about something like this is odd to the extreme. You have a misplaced sense of sick as a pretty trailer is something studios do; It gets the PR, external press, developers and potential customers all excited about the various things that might happen. It has only been the last few years where actual game play footage was important to show in trailers. Considering the age this was done before that became common place. Not to mention Dust didn't exist at that level back then. EVE shows all these pretty, pretty pod peeps that are the results of surgeons and the higher level of functionality of their own products on PCs. They are not game play for EVE, merely advertising. That is the same for the trailer. Getting upset about advertising pictures means you need to take a walk, outside, away from video games. You might want to pack a lunch. As far as the trailer sickening you is merely a side benefit. And so it goes.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2434	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:24:00 - [41] - Quote lol OP doesn't realise that promo vids are not always representative of actual gameplay. Ever noticed that small print at the bottom of many many TV ads for games? It says "Not actual gameplay footage". Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 715	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:44:00 - [42] - Quote Django Quik wrote: lol OP doesn't realise that promo vids are not always representative of actual gameplay. Ever noticed that small print at the bottom of many many TV ads for games? It says "Not actual gameplay footage". The OP is asking why CCP would hype the **** out of people, if the knew that they will deliver so poorly. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2434	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:46:00 - [43] - Quote meri jin wrote: Django Quik wrote: lol OP doesn't realise that promo vids are not always representative of actual gameplay. Ever noticed that small print at the bottom of many many TV ads for games? It says "Not actual gameplay footage". The OP is asking why CCP would hype the **** out of people, if the knew that they will deliver so poorly. Err, of course they didn't know 5 years ago that they would deliver so poorly. And the entire point of PR and promo trailers is to hype up your target audience, so you get people and most importantly investors interested in your game and your company's plans. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1934	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:10:00 - [44] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? EDIT: Oops, forgot link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat4psYcvII That melted computers. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2810	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:21:00 - [45] - Quote da GAND wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Added the link. oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead. Which I believe is why they fired the other guy and hired CCP Rogue. Let's hope that when he finally comes out from behind the curtain that he provides us with a more realistic vision. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 254	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:33:00 - [46] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present a lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. i used to think the console decision was good but he's right it is holding back the game. we can't have more players it already lags. there's really no hope for open world play on PS3 which is really what dust should be. we're stuck playing the redline with no end in sight. system resources are at an all time strain. i wish it would tax my sounds instead it taxes my frame rate. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1183	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:36:00 - [47] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: da GAND wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Added the link. oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead. Which I believe is why they fired the other guy and hired CCP Rogue. Let's hope that when he finally comes out from behind the curtain that he provides us with a more realistic vision. I hope they don't give up on the RTS aspects of the vision. Look at this demo from 2009 Fanfest. I really hope we have interesting objective-based game modes with a commander in the MCC managing the deployment of assets like scanners, etc. Capturing null cannons is pretty shallow and lame, capturing mainframes to power your MCC's capacitors so it can recharge shields is a lot more dynamic and compelling. When we get huge maps with lots of players, I hope we move in this direction for fights. Best PvE idea ever!
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:39:00 - [48] - Quote Who knows, maybe at fanfest they'll toss out a PS4-beta build for us to see with graphics more like the original vision. If it was me... I'd get the balance on all the racial suits/vehicles/mods nailed in on PS3 with the current user base while I built a PS4 client. Then I'd run them both at the same time for 6 months to a year, the only difference being a big graphical upgrade on the PS4 version, and get FW and planetary conquest in 0.0 working with a better eve-integration. Then I'd launch on PS4 only and up the player count and add things only the PS4 could deal with.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1683	Posted - 2014.03.20 17:40:00 - [49] - Quote Holy Cow! I must have this!!! Future Come Faster!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7525	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:10:00 - [50] - Quote That is an extremely old video dating back to 2009 long before CCP ditched the carbon architecture in favor of the Unreal Engine. And as others have said and as CCP has repeatedly said, that is just a vision of the future. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 614	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:33:00 - [51] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: True Adamance wrote: You do know CCP originally developed Dust on an entirely different high performance engine.....then settled for Unreal 3 when they realised Carbon would melt our consoles. "high performance"? The captains quarters in EVE still manages to melt some PC's out there... ^ All this excitement for Carbon based on fluffed up tech demos when the only real-world example we have of it in action is a single room that places absurd stress on graphics cards
Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge 106	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:16:00 - [52] - Quote This thread is pretty amusing with all the wrong info running around. Dust was never developed in carbon. That trailer isn't done in carbon either, it well predates the first demos of carbon by nearly two years. IIRC at that same exact fanfest we saw that trailer we got to watch the devs play through their first barely alpha build and boy was it ugly made minecraft look like it was running on crytek. Dust has always been running off an unreal engine, in fact they got into a little squabble because they had started dev before actually licensing it. As a side now a dev now long gone once mentioned that Dust development had been taking longer than expected because all the art was being done first for unreal 4 then down scaled for unreal 3, even if true its likely that this practice has been scrapped in order to try to rectify how far off the dust dev time table has been pushed. Anyways, Carbon showed up a few years later making its debut for the new character creator in eve and then Captain's Quarters, which was really a dry run since it was at the time planned to have World of Darkness running the carbon engine. Carbon can do some really neat character model rendering, the tech demos they gave at Fanfest were pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately, carbon is a giant resource hog, computers were dying right and left just running the tiny captain's quarters. With the Incarna debacle halting all resources in walking in stations (thus carbon development) carbon was largely scrapped. The final blow was when they quietly announced that WoD had scrapped all their carbon work and dropped the engine. In summary Dust was never meant for Carbon and Carbon is dead, no resources at all are being devoted in fixing its problems and it will largely only exist as the current Eve character creator and tiny pointless room, any future walking in stations tech will likely never use it assuming the eve population ever lets them explore that area again. Speculation: Any revisit to eve walking in stations would likely involve scrapping all Carbon related assets as using which ever Unreal engine that Dust is currently using to allow better interfacing walking around stations. (having 2 engines interacting in the same space would be a nightmare)
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 717	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:11:00 - [53] - Quote Khan Hun wrote: Who knows, maybe at fanfest they'll toss out a PS4-beta build for us to see with graphics more like the original vision. If it was me... I'd get the balance on all the racial suits/vehicles/mods nailed in on PS3 with the current user base while I built a PS4 client. Then I'd run them both at the same time for 6 months to a year, the only difference being a big graphical upgrade on the PS4 version, and get FW and planetary conquest in 0.0 working with a better eve-integration. Then I'd launch on PS4 only and up the player count and add things only the PS4 could deal with. Sounds like a plan. I would add a view things. PVE for PS3 and 4. As well as bigger matches on the PS4, like 32vs32. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 4692	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:21:00 - [54] - Quote Gotta give it to CCP.. They make badass trailers GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1316	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:22:00 - [55] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: They just wanted to get on George Lucas' level of "Trailer Trolling". Just gotta say I love your sig. I'm stealing it and adjusting slightly. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 487	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:39:00 - [56] - Quote That's a good question. Randy pitchford and gearbox are getting sued for false advertising relating to aliens colonial marines (which they did) Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 548	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:01:00 - [57] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: da GAND wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Added the link. oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead. Which I believe is why they fired the other guy and hired CCP Rogue. Let's hope that when he finally comes out from behind the curtain that he provides us with a more realistic vision. Ya seems like it , but even so it seems we wouldn't be getting much more than we've gotten so far anyways if they didn't make most of those trailers. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 550	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:38:00 - [58] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: This thread is pretty amusing with all the wrong info running around. Dust was never developed in carbon. That trailer isn't done in carbon either, it well predates the first demos of carbon by nearly two years. IIRC at that same exact fanfest we saw that trailer we got to watch the devs play through their first barely alpha build and boy was it ugly made minecraft look like it was running on crytek. Dust has always been running off an unreal engine, in fact they got into a little squabble because they had started dev before actually licensing it. As a side now a dev now long gone once mentioned that Dust development had been taking longer than expected because all the art was being done first for unreal 4 then down scaled for unreal 3, even if true its likely that this practice has been scrapped in order to try to rectify how far off the dust dev time table has been pushed. Anyways, Carbon showed up a few years later making its debut for the new character creator in eve and then Captain's Quarters, which was really a dry run since it was at the time planned to have World of Darkness running the carbon engine. Carbon can do some really neat character model rendering, the tech demos they gave at Fanfest were pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately, carbon is a giant resource hog, computers were dying right and left just running the tiny captain's quarters. With the Incarna debacle halting all resources in walking in stations (thus carbon development) carbon was largely scrapped. The final blow was when they quietly announced that WoD had scrapped all their carbon work and dropped the engine. In summary Dust was never meant for Carbon and Carbon is dead, no resources at all are being devoted in fixing its problems and it will largely only exist as the current Eve character creator and tiny pointless room, any future walking in stations tech will likely never use it assuming the eve population ever lets them explore that area again. Speculation: Any revisit to eve walking in stations would likely involve scrapping all Carbon related assets as using which ever Unreal engine that Dust is currently using to allow better interfacing walking around stations. (having 2 engines interacting in the same space would be a nightmare) So you're saying that this demo wasn't made in the carbon engine part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDKbiUnxTA After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Cat Merc ahrendee mercenaries 7681	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:51:00 - [59] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: This thread is pretty amusing with all the wrong info running around. Dust was never developed in carbon. That trailer isn't done in carbon either, it well predates the first demos of carbon by nearly two years. IIRC at that same exact fanfest we saw that trailer we got to watch the devs play through their first barely alpha build and boy was it ugly made minecraft look like it was running on crytek. Dust has always been running off an unreal engine, in fact they got into a little squabble because they had started dev before actually licensing it. As a side now a dev now long gone once mentioned that Dust development had been taking longer than expected because all the art was being done first for unreal 4 then down scaled for unreal 3, even if true its likely that this practice has been scrapped in order to try to rectify how far off the dust dev time table has been pushed. Anyways, Carbon showed up a few years later making its debut for the new character creator in eve and then Captain's Quarters, which was really a dry run since it was at the time planned to have World of Darkness running the carbon engine. Carbon can do some really neat character model rendering, the tech demos they gave at Fanfest were pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately, carbon is a giant resource hog, computers were dying right and left just running the tiny captain's quarters. With the Incarna debacle halting all resources in walking in stations (thus carbon development) carbon was largely scrapped. The final blow was when they quietly announced that WoD had scrapped all their carbon work and dropped the engine. In summary Dust was never meant for Carbon and Carbon is dead, no resources at all are being devoted in fixing its problems and it will largely only exist as the current Eve character creator and tiny pointless room, any future walking in stations tech will likely never use it assuming the eve population ever lets them explore that area again. Speculation: Any revisit to eve walking in stations would likely involve scrapping all Carbon related assets as using which ever Unreal engine that Dust is currently using to allow better interfacing walking around stations. (having 2 engines interacting in the same space would be a nightmare) You're wrong actually. The WoD team are actually responsible to both creating the game, and making the engine run better and easier to develop for. They have shown the tools they created last FanFest. Carbon will run WoD. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514


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