DUST Search - Why even make a trailer so overly-hyped ?

Michael Arck wrote:

Avery Blue wrote:

Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered.

Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released.

Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say.

So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514.

ha, so basically...concept video.

After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

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Ace Boone G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 37	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:04:00 - [1] - Quote It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? meh.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8444	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:07:00 - [2] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? What trailer? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1424	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:08:00 - [3] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? Deliver the goods OP before I deliver "the goods" OP. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:08:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ace Boone wrote: It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster? Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity? What trailer? yes which trailer? there were a few around last fanfest After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1790	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:09:00 - [5] - Quote It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 719	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:13:00 - [6] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Ace Boone G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 37	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:13:00 - [7] - Quote Added the link. meh.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8444	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:18:00 - [8] - Quote You do know CCP originally developed Dust on an entirely different high performance engine.....then settled for Unreal 3 when they realised Carbon would melt our consoles. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4575	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:21:00 - [9] - Quote That was an early trailer built in the Carbon engine, which they originally tried to run the game on. Unfortunately, whether because of sheer overpowered-ness or poor optimisation for the system, the engine melted several PS3s, so they had to move to something less processing-intensive in order to actually make it viable.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8447	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:23:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: That was an early trailer built in the Carbon engine, which they originally tried to run the game on. Unfortunately, whether because of sheer overpowered-ness or poor optimisation for the system, the engine melted several PS3s, so they had to move to something less processing-intensive in order to actually make it viable. To our detriment. Carbon was what attracted people to Dust 514....what we have now only traps them here. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:23:00 - [11] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Added the link. oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3590	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote Concept video. All developers does this. And we speak as this game doesn't have a constant development process ongoing. The game has grown and continue to grow. We'll get there when we get there. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8447	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:28:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Concept video. All developers does this. And we speak as this game doesn't have a constant development process ongoing. The game has grown and continue to grow. We'll get there when we get there. Sure but Carbon was available to build on in 2010.....nearing the end of the PS3's life span, CCP had to have realised that when they were ready to release they would be bordering next gen...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3591	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:32:00 - [14] - Quote Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8453	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:36:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:42:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8460	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:45:00 - [17] - Quote da GAND wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. Dude do you remember the accurate suspension that LAV used to display? That looked incredible....as opposed to how them flip now...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1797	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:46:00 - [18] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Joel II X wrote: It took CCP a couple of years for Eve to get to where it is. I'm still laughing at the fact that they think they can pull it off again in a console. If it was on PC then maybe. They're being set back by the system's capabilities. It's not completely their fault. Maybe it's only 70% their fault. I'll just shut up now. See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though. I lol'd. If I could post pictures, I'd show you a reaction to your post. I mostly play console. I only have 2 PC games and stopped playing them because my PC is crap. Next time, try harder. I do not accept your apology.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 184	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:47:00 - [19] - Quote DONT WORRY GUYS!! CCP probobly has all the good old stuff stored on a computer somewhere. Why would they delete all that good stuff that was in the trailer???? This game need more vehicles!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 535	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:54:00 - [20] - Quote thesupertman wrote: DONT WORRY GUYS!! CCP probobly has all the good old stuff stored on a computer somewhere. Why would they delete all that good stuff that was in the trailer???? lol that's actually what I thought after Uprisings release but more like " ok it's not too bad right now, still a lobby shooter just like in chromosome despite all the changes, looks like heavies aren't too happy though. we'll probably be able to get out of our quarters in the next update and have more things to do" oh man such disappointment nearly over a year later, nothing has changed despite these updates. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

Master Smurf Nos Nothi 235	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:00:00 - [21] - Quote The game probably wont look that good until PS5 or at least a good way into the PS4 genereation. I think that is what GAF likes to refer to as the downgrade "Shine bright like a diamond"
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 536	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:08:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: da GAND wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes of course. Given the way next gen always works, they knew they had time before having to worry about next gen. I still honestly hope we get Carbon back one day....the graphics looked so sharp and elegant, the power behind it...... even the assets like the fighter and LAV looked incredible. Indeed it did look great, and so much more seemed to already be finished and ready. Dude do you remember the accurate suspension that LAV used to display? That looked incredible....as opposed to how them flip now...... oh ya that was fun, couldn't last 3 seconds without flipping over lol. I couldn't blame the LAV though the maps were and still are full of small craters and hills. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3202	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote They just wanted to get on George Lucas' level of "Trailer Trolling". I GÖú Kittens.
Avery Blue Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:14:00 - [24] - Quote Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 536	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:24:00 - [25] - Quote Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. hmmm does like a pretty similar situation , and they did delay halo 2 a bit . I never owned any of the halo games but my buddy did. We played co-op campaign for halo 2 whenever i was over and it was pretty fun. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3595	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:26:00 - [26] - Quote Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. ha, so basically...concept video. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 538	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:33:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Avery Blue wrote: Ah, this situation reminds me of the same ordeal that Bungie faced during the pre-release of Halo 2. Well, long story short, Bungie released a trailer of Halo 2 during E3 that showcased a level of graphics and gameplay that Bungie did not yet establish with the game, and what happened was that Halo 2 was rushed out with large chunks of the game butchered. Meanwhile, Bungie's trailer was done on the assumption that the R&D at the time was correct, it turns out that their expectations completely changed over time due to more variables and limitations being introduced as they researched the technology further, and slowly the situation melted, leading Bungie start cutting off and re-making Halo 2 into the version that was released. Now, Dust 514 perhaps suffers from the same issue. The R&D at the time looked promising, but at the same time newer limitations and technical issues were introduced which led Dust 514 into the current state which is between being an actual tactical shooter inspired on Battlefield 2142 to what the design documents sitting on some desks at CCP say. So, bottom line, the trailer was done with expectations of the end product before the technology that was aimed at the time met up with a concrete wall that stopped its progress and led to a short stagnation and in turn that stagnation led to what Dust 514 is now and to the future of Dust 514. ha, so basically...concept video. pretty much, can't get angry for CCP for that trailer but those trailers around last fanfest.... so much damn hype. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 224	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:37:00 - [28] - Quote I'm not too worried about graphics right now. I say hold off and making it super purrty until the PS4 port. Who knows they may be able to use Carbon on PS4's without melting them. PvE 2014
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1156	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:37:00 - [29] - Quote One thing that really stuck out in that trailer was the phenomenal sound design. I wonder if CCP could revisit those and incorporate them into the game (especially the sounds of the MCC fired missiles)? Best PvE idea ever!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 539	Posted - 2014.03.20 05:39:00 - [30] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: One thing that really stuck out in that trailer was the phenomenal sound design. I wonder if CCP could revisit those and incorporate them into the game (especially the sounds of the MCC fired missiles)? oh ya that sound lol it was pretty good After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.



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