I'm not too worried about graphics right now. I say hold off and making it super purrty until the PS4 port. Who knows they may be able to use Carbon on PS4's without melting them.

You do know CCP originally developed Dust on an entirely different high performance engine.....then settled for Unreal 3 when they realised Carbon would melt our consoles.

See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present of lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though.

lol OP doesn't realise that promo vids are not always representative of actual gameplay. Ever noticed that small print at the bottom of many many TV ads for games? It says "Not actual gameplay footage".

The OP is asking why CCP would hype the **** out of people, if the knew that they will deliver so poorly.

It sickens me how pre-rendered this is. Did CCP at one point actually have the budget to make something look that good? Or did they just hope it would pick up enough steam for them to be able to update their game faster?

Not whining, just asking a genuine question out of curiosity?

EDIT: Oops, forgot link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat4psYcvII

oh ya one of the older trailers, everyone understood that a project this big is going to take time. For those of us that got the beta code we knew that, I was kind of disappointed in whatever the name of the build was before chromosome. But it was a beta so I quickly got over it. So back then it wasn't too hyped, that trailer was just showing the possibilities of dust 514. All the hype around last fanfest and the lack of progress between last fanfest and now is just not cool at all. I kind of feel like CCP could've used the money they spent making those trailers on the games development instead.

See people can tell your a PC gamer because you shove your superiority in the face of others, and seem to present a lack of internal security. I'd like a PS4 build though.

Which I believe is why they fired the other guy and hired CCP Rogue. Let's hope that when he finally comes out from behind the curtain that he provides us with a more realistic vision.

"high performance"? The captains quarters in EVE still manages to melt some PC's out there...

Who knows, maybe at fanfest they'll toss out a PS4-beta build for us to see with graphics more like the original vision.


If it was me... I'd get the balance on all the racial suits/vehicles/mods nailed in on PS3 with the current user base while I built a PS4 client.

Then I'd run them both at the same time for 6 months to a year, the only difference being a big graphical upgrade on the PS4 version, and get FW and planetary conquest in 0.0 working with a better eve-integration.

Then I'd launch on PS4 only and up the player count and add things only the PS4 could deal with.

They just wanted to get on George Lucas' level of "Trailer Trolling".

Which I believe is why they fired the other guy and hired CCP Rogue. Let's hope that when he finally comes out from behind the curtain that he provides us with a more realistic vision.

This thread is pretty amusing with all the wrong info running around.

Dust was never developed in carbon. That trailer isn't done in carbon either, it well predates the first demos of carbon by nearly two years. IIRC at that same exact fanfest we saw that trailer we got to watch the devs play through their first barely alpha build and boy was it ugly made minecraft look like it was running on crytek. Dust has always been running off an unreal engine, in fact they got into a little squabble because they had started dev before actually licensing it. As a side now a dev now long gone once mentioned that Dust development had been taking longer than expected because all the art was being done first for unreal 4 then down scaled for unreal 3, even if true its likely that this practice has been scrapped in order to try to rectify how far off the dust dev time table has been pushed.

Anyways, Carbon showed up a few years later making its debut for the new character creator in eve and then Captain's Quarters, which was really a dry run since it was at the time planned to have World of Darkness running the carbon engine. Carbon can do some really neat character model rendering, the tech demos they gave at Fanfest were pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately, carbon is a giant resource hog, computers were dying right and left just running the tiny captain's quarters. With the Incarna debacle halting all resources in walking in stations (thus carbon development) carbon was largely scrapped. The final blow was when they quietly announced that WoD had scrapped all their carbon work and dropped the engine.

In summary Dust was never meant for Carbon and Carbon is dead, no resources at all are being devoted in fixing its problems and it will largely only exist as the current Eve character creator and tiny pointless room, any future walking in stations tech will likely never use it assuming the eve population ever lets them explore that area again.

Speculation: Any revisit to eve walking in stations would likely involve scrapping all Carbon related assets as using which ever Unreal engine that Dust is currently using to allow better interfacing walking around stations. (having 2 engines interacting in the same space would be a nightmare)

This thread is pretty amusing with all the wrong info running around.

Dust was never developed in carbon. That trailer isn't done in carbon either, it well predates the first demos of carbon by nearly two years. IIRC at that same exact fanfest we saw that trailer we got to watch the devs play through their first barely alpha build and boy was it ugly made minecraft look like it was running on crytek. Dust has always been running off an unreal engine, in fact they got into a little squabble because they had started dev before actually licensing it. As a side now a dev now long gone once mentioned that Dust development had been taking longer than expected because all the art was being done first for unreal 4 then down scaled for unreal 3, even if true its likely that this practice has been scrapped in order to try to rectify how far off the dust dev time table has been pushed.

Anyways, Carbon showed up a few years later making its debut for the new character creator in eve and then Captain's Quarters, which was really a dry run since it was at the time planned to have World of Darkness running the carbon engine. Carbon can do some really neat character model rendering, the tech demos they gave at Fanfest were pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately, carbon is a giant resource hog, computers were dying right and left just running the tiny captain's quarters. With the Incarna debacle halting all resources in walking in stations (thus carbon development) carbon was largely scrapped. The final blow was when they quietly announced that WoD had scrapped all their carbon work and dropped the engine.

In summary Dust was never meant for Carbon and Carbon is dead, no resources at all are being devoted in fixing its problems and it will largely only exist as the current Eve character creator and tiny pointless room, any future walking in stations tech will likely never use it assuming the eve population ever lets them explore that area again.

Speculation: Any revisit to eve walking in stations would likely involve scrapping all Carbon related assets as using which ever Unreal engine that Dust is currently using to allow better interfacing walking around stations. (having 2 engines interacting in the same space would be a nightmare)