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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:17:00 -
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With the shotgun being nerfed in 1.8 im having a hard time deciding on a new weapon.
I though about nova knifes but then i would have to go minmatar scout
Mabey the plasma cannon? |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1954
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:18:00 -
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What shotgun nerf?
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:20:00 -
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Mass driver.
(I dare you :P)
Real men do it with missiles.
"True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:21:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:What shotgun nerf?
Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1954
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:25:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them
It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah.
So no, it's actually not a nerf.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:30:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah. So no, it's actually not a nerf.
You obviously dont use the shotgun
Anyone who skilled up the shotgun knows how terrible of a bonus this is.
The shotgun would need to 1 hit kill most suits and 2 hit kill heavys with this bonus for it to be worth it. |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
778
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:34:00 -
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Nova knives, scrambler pistol, and maybe the mag sec on the side arm?
Scrambler rifle for the charge shot on light?
Maybe even the lazorz rifle or MD?
The only ones I'm banking on are NK and ScP.
Knowledge is power
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
319
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:35:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Mass driver.
(I dare you :P)
I thought of that to...but I would have a hard time making a gallente scout flexible if I was brick tanking and I do not know if I can go beyond my EHP with Gallente Assault while maintaining a higher speed...still the low scan signature is useful but I do not know if it that really goes along better than just pulling out a combat rifle or shotgun.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
846
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:37:00 -
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Acr is my got to current scout weapon... not sure after 1.8
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1749
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:38:00 -
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try the Carthum Assault ScP (best weapon in this game) and the Kaalakiota Magsec SMG (likely 2nd best weapon in the game) combo.
any good scout knows how good ScPs are, and it's probably going to be the same for Magsec SMGs.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1954
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:38:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:
You obviously dont use the shotgun
Anyone who skilled up the shotgun knows how terrible of a bonus this is.
The shotgun would need to 1 hit kill most suits and 2 hit kill heavys with this bonus for it to be worth it.
Actually, I use a standard on the 'Dragonfly' Scout. It's easily able to bring down anything that isn't a Sentinel within a couple of shots. It takes something a bit stronger to crack the Sentinels before they can react. No, I don't brick tank a light frame. I find the concept silly. I actually use Dampeners on my Scout suits. You're not using the shotgun right if you really believe rate of fire is what the shotgun needs.
I'm also going to go out of my way and assume you have never used the Breach. The Breach is the only shotgun that benefits with rate of fire to a considerable amount. However, high rate of fire implies that you will need multiple shots in a short amount of time. Damage, on the other hand, implies that you will be doing a lot of damage and thusly will not need to shoot multiple times quickly. That's the fundamental difference between sheer power and speed.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
550
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:39:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:try the Carthum Assault ScP (best weapon in this game) and the Kaalakiota Magsec SMG (likely 2nd best weapon in the game) combo.
any good scout knows how good ScPs are, and it's probably going to be the same for Magsec SMGs.
Ive only used a std scp, only good for headshots or caldari frames
Closed beta vet
Logi,
Heavy,
Python,
Scout.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1600
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:40:00 -
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NKs
REs
ScPs
Edit: Haven't given up on Shotguns yet. No telling what they might "ninja" in with the RoF change. |
Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
794
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:43:00 -
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amarr "scout" with laser rifle if they get too close just cloak und run away xD
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1752
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:47:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Ive only used a std scp
that was your mistake. try skilling into higher level tiers and you'll see what i mean.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
550
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:50:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Ive only used a std scp
that was your mistake. try skilling into higher level tiers and you'll see what i mean.
But my std scr does better dos than a std scp
And why bother now? Im gunna use magsec and shotgun
Shotgun for damage
Magsec for range
Closed beta vet
Logi,
Heavy,
Python,
Scout.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1601
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:51:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Ive only used a std scp
that was your mistake. try skilling into higher level tiers and you'll see what i mean.
Hit my ScP stride at Operation V, Prof III.
Solid weapon. Limited ammo.
I personally prefer the TT-3, but both Appia and Bojo will tell you I'm doing it wrong :P |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1753
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:53:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Ive only used a std scp
that was your mistake. try skilling into higher level tiers and you'll see what i mean. But my std scr does better dos than a std scp And why bother now? Im gunna use magsec and shotgun Shotgun for damage Magsec for range
if you plan on only using the magsec, then there is no reaon to. i'll also be using the magsec with my shotgun regularly on my scout ck.0
but i'll let you know that i've regularly beaten ScRs in 1v1s with my ScPs. one day you'll face a scout that will drop you faster than you've ever been dropped before with a ScP, then you'll see firsthand what i mean.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Cyrius Li-Moody
4055
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:14:00 -
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Knives.
/thread
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
550
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:16:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Ive only used a std scp
that was your mistake. try skilling into higher level tiers and you'll see what i mean. But my std scr does better dos than a std scp And why bother now? Im gunna use magsec and shotgun Shotgun for damage Magsec for range if you plan on only using the magsec, then there is no reaon to. i'll also be using the magsec with my shotgun regularly on my scout ck.0 but i'll let you know that i've regularly beaten ScRs in 1v1s with my ScPs. one day you'll face a scout that will drop you faster than you've ever been dropped before with a ScP, then you'll see firsthand what i mean.
Hmm nm then as ive seen it
But same suit same setup, wierd
Tell me or message me your fit, lets see if its the same...
Closed beta vet
Logi,
Heavy,
Python,
Scout.
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
818
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:34:00 -
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I guessing it depends on how you are running your Scout. I can see Combat Rifle/Magsec being a good combo for the armor tanking scouts like Gallente and Amarr. That will probably be how i'm going to roll when I switch to Gallente Scout in 1.8. The only thing that would tempt me to stay Minmatar is my Knife SP prof 5 and the fact that its probably going to be the only way to 1 vs 1 a Heavy unless you RE them. I kind of regret the points I put into Shotgun now, but will probably still use it from time to time. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1371
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:36:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:With the shotgun being nerfed in 1.8 im having a hard time deciding on a new weapon.
I though about nova knifes but then i would have to go minmatar scout
Mabey the plasma cannon?
four words: scram bler pist ol. |
noobsniper the 2nd
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
287
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:49:00 -
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Magsec nk or magsec sniper rifle? Would be kool being able to nail ppl,long range with sniper but still have high punch up close with a magsec smg
just call me communist space king noob
MAG vet raven ftw
Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
675
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:15:00 -
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I'ma stick with CR and NK. My perfect combo.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
961
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:06:00 -
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SMG and Knives for me
My 'Syndie' has always been my trusted ally along with the ASMG's
Thinking of the Ion for a little verity. I dislike shotguns in most games and the Dust one sounds like a stapler.
If we do get racial SG's (I don't really see the point but anyhoo) and the Minmatar one sounds meaty I will try it out.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1731
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:10:00 -
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CR + ScP
Shotgun + SMG/Magsec/Bolt pistol
Scrambler + SMG/Magsec/Bolt pistol
REs
Drop it like its hat.
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Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
357
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:36:00 -
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Gonna stick with Shotgun/ScP/Fluxes/REs.
If only the meta was still about shields...
Seriously though, I will try adapting first, since Id rather spend that 2-3mil (not sure if my omega booster was activated in time...) finishing off precision and hacking.
I'm very tempted not to skill up any weapons until I hear what is happening in the next patch - maybe that 2mil in ARs will pay off when they make Breach ARs viable - all I know is that I don't want to be boring and skill into another rifle.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
675
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:47:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:SMG and Knives for me
My 'Syndie' has always been my trusted ally along with the ASMG's
Thinking of the Ion for a little verity. I dislike shotguns in most games and the Dust one sounds like a stapler.
If we do get racial SG's (I don't really see the point but anyhoo) and the Minmatar one sounds meaty I will try it out.
I really wish I had the Syndicate SMG on my Matari pride n joy...I hope to get one when the market opens up.
I kind of want to use NKs on my Caldari scout but knowing that it doesn't have that 25% matari badassness going on it puts me off. Might go Magsec and something on him.
CR and NK will always be my fav combo though. I'm most at home with the CR and is a very versatile gun and I think the combo gives me the perfect range of combative options and advantages should I choose to engage in combat. They will be getting a bit of a rest come 1.8 with lower profile and cloaking as I shall be merciful and leave you on your merry way as I go on mine to stab stab hack. 
CR just looks awesome too, by far my favorite design of the 4 rifles.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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Billi Gene
516
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:00:00 -
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im undecided on which scout suit /s i might want...
as for weapons/equipment:
scrambler rifle(charge)//bolt pistol or magsec-/-scan/links
or
ion pistol//bolt pistol-/-cloaky/remotes
the ole 1-2, take out shields then burst down armor. Engagement range being the variable.
probs still use shotty but unsure, hence why not sure about the scrambler rifle.
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2188
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:08:00 -
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During the heavy event I started getting teased by my squad mates for using my HMG as a finisher for my ScP.
Yeah, they're that good.
Real men do it with missiles.
"True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
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xSir Campsalotx
G0DS AM0NG MEN
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
152
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:13:00 -
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Shhhhhh.... Say nothing of the ScP, don't draw attention to it. 2 ScP cowboy fit is where it's at
G0DS AM0NG MEN Director
Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1085
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:53:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
You obviously dont use the shotgun
Anyone who skilled up the shotgun knows how terrible of a bonus this is.
The shotgun would need to 1 hit kill most suits and 2 hit kill heavys with this bonus for it to be worth it.
Actually, I use a standard on the 'Dragonfly' Scout. It's easily able to bring down anything that isn't a Sentinel within a couple of shots. It takes something a bit stronger to crack the Sentinels before they can react. No, I don't brick tank a light frame. I find the concept silly. I actually use Dampeners on my Scout suits. You're not using the shotgun right if you really believe rate of fire is what the shotgun needs. I'm also going to go out of my way and assume you have never used the Breach. The Breach is the only shotgun that benefits with rate of fire to a considerable amount. However, high rate of fire implies that you will need multiple shots in a short amount of time. Damage, on the other hand, implies that you will be doing a lot of damage and thusly will not need to shoot multiple times quickly. That's the fundamental difference between sheer power and speed.
Yep, you don't level proficiency
The normal shotgun get a HUGE bonus from proficiency while the change to the breach shotgun is almost unnoticable |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
778
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:59:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah. So no, it's actually not a nerf.
Wrong this is an overall 6% nerf to the potential damage per second the SG can do. This further moves the SG into the corner of uselessness except for certain suits like the commando the outright 10% damageboost will mean a lot now that proficiency changes and damage mods are nerfed.
And to balance a weapon to work with only one suit is and always was stupid... |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
1107
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:19:00 -
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I'll be sticking with SG/SMG (both BPOs) and my CR/IshNoKs. I'm glad I didn't spent a single skill point in shotguns as the proficiency nerf doesn't affect me :) |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1088
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:09:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:Shhhhhh.... Say nothing of the ScP, don't draw attention to it. 2 ScP cowboy fit is where it's at
Sorry, scrambler pistols are getting a huge nerf in 1.8
30% ROF reduction |
Onesimus Tarsus
The Exemplars
Top Men.
1661
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:12:00 -
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Breach AR, sack of soggy BBQ chips.
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
247
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:56:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah. So no, it's actually not a nerf. You obviously dont use the shotgun Anyone who skilled up the shotgun knows how terrible of a bonus this is. The shotgun would need to 1 hit kill most suits and 2 hit kill heavys with this bonus for it to be worth it. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
963
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:06:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:SMG and Knives for me
My 'Syndie' has always been my trusted ally along with the ASMG's
Thinking of the Ion for a little verity. I dislike shotguns in most games and the Dust one sounds like a stapler.
If we do get racial SG's (I don't really see the point but anyhoo) and the Minmatar one sounds meaty I will try it out. I really wish I had the Syndicate SMG on my Matari pride n joy...I hope to get one when the market opens up. I kind of want to use NKs on my Caldari scout but knowing that it doesn't have that 25% matari badassness going on it puts me off. Might go Magsec and something on him. CR and NK will always be my fav combo though. I'm most at home with the CR and is a very versatile gun and I think the combo gives me the perfect range of combative options and advantages should I choose to engage in combat. They will be getting a bit of a rest come 1.8 with lower profile and cloaking as I shall be merciful and leave you on your merry way as I go on mine to stab stab hack. CR just looks awesome too, by far my favorite design of the 4 rifles.
Proto Knives still do 1000 damage off the bat no matter what race you are, so still very viable. It'll certainly still give the new heavies something to think about. Not to mention keeping the original damage model.
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shadow drake35
The Third Day
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
77
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:13:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:Nova knives, scrambler pistol, and maybe the mag sec on the side arm?
Scrambler rifle for the charge shot on light?
Maybe even the lazorz rifle or MD?
The only ones I'm banking on are NK and ScP.
nova knifes are a side arm
MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
818
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:17:00 -
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shadow drake35 wrote:Brokerib wrote:Nova knives, scrambler pistol, and maybe the mag sec on the side arm?
Scrambler rifle for the charge shot on light?
Maybe even the lazorz rifle or MD?
The only ones I'm banking on are NK and ScP. nova knifes are a side arm
So what? That "sidearm" can one shot you if you are stupid and not paying attention to your surroundings. Anyone who actually manages to die from a Nova Knife deserves their death because of how easy it is to avoid them if you practice situational awareness. |
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
516
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:19:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:What shotgun nerf? Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them
You may want to rethink a few things about shotguns. I have no shotgun skills whatsoever and can still take out heavies with a militia shotgun, no damage modifiers.
100% Tactical Scout Corporation
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
122
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:20:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:Nova knives, scrambler pistol, and maybe the mag sec on the side arm?
Scrambler rifle for the charge shot on light?
Maybe even the lazorz rifle or MD?
The only ones I'm banking on are NK and ScP.
You know the ScP is getting an almost 50% nerf to its RoF too right? |
Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
122
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:25:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:Shhhhhh.... Say nothing of the ScP, don't draw attention to it. 2 ScP cowboy fit is where it's at
ScP got a 50% nerf, unadvertised, RoF |
Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
122
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:27:00 -
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Here is the entire breakdown
Mieli Sydan wrote:Looking into the data, it's actually worse than initially thought. It's not a flat % nerf; instead, all ScPs of a given variant have been given the same ROF, like so:
Non-Variant
285.71 RPM
Breach
133.33 RPM (unchanged)
Assault
301.51 RPM
Burst
476.19 RPM
With the exception of Breach pistols, all pistols in each tier have been nerfed by the same amount:
MLT/STD: 29% reduction to DPS
ADV: 36% reduction to DPS
PRO: 43% reduction to DPS
These numbers seem insane. All ScPs save for the Breach variants have gotten a *MASSIVE* nerf in 1.8, at least almost twice as much as any of the rifles. The proto variants have had their DPS almost halved. I'm a little angry that this hasn't been mentioned *at all* in the dev blogs, when it is by far the biggest weapon change coming in 1.8. I didn't even know that the ScP was a problem. When has anybody ever complained about the scrambler pistol being OP?
A more comprehensive breakdown of the ROF and DPS changes for each ScP:
Militia Scrambler Pistol & Scrambler Pistol
400 ---> 285.71 RPM
(533.33 ---> 380.95 DPS, 29% nerf)
Assault Scrambler Pistol
422.54 ---> 301.51 RPM
(563.39 ---> 402.01 DPS, 29% nerf)
Breach Scrambler Pistol
133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM
(DPS unchanged)
KLO-1 Scrambler Pistol
444.44 ---> 285.71 RPM
(622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf)
TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol
468.75 ---> 301.51 RPM
(656.25 ---> 422.11 DPS, 36% nerf)
TY-5 Breach Scrambler Pistol
133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM
(DPS unchanged)
CAR-9 Burst ScP
740.74 ---> 476.19 RPM
(622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf)
Viziam Scrambler Pistol
500 ---> 285.71 RPM
(733.33 ---> 419.04 DPS, 43% nerf)
Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol
526.32 ---> 301.51 RPM
(771.94 ---> 442.21 DPS, 43% nerf)
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
679
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:
Proto Knives still do 1000 damage off the bat no matter what race you are, so still very viable. It'll certainly still give the new heavies something to think about. Not to mention keeping the original damage model.
Hmmm. There is a geeky part of me that likes the idea of keeping weapons and dropsuits racially themed...Cal scout with Magsec and Knives sounds cool is really appealing.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3563
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:53:00 -
[46] - Quote
Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah. So no, it's actually not a nerf.
Oh man, you just don't get this game do you?
No.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3563
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
The answer is Magsec, because it's all anyone is going to be using.
No.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1089
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
Asher Night wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:What shotgun nerf? Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them You may want to rethink a few things about shotguns. I have no shotgun skills whatsoever and can still take out heavies with a militia shotgun, no damage modifiers.
Not only does skilling operations make the shotgun worse but heavys are getting buffed in 1.8
Your argument is invalid, especially since you don't know what it's like to have shotgun prof 5.
This is a huge nerf |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1546
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:59:00 -
[49] - Quote
plasma cannon, nothing says stealth like a glowing ball of one hit kills.
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1089
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:00:00 -
[50] - Quote
DTOracle wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Shotgun proficiency is changing from +3% ROF to +3% shield damage
This means the shotgun will not be able to kill heavies in 1.8 as they will be able to turn around before you can shoot the 4 shots it takes to kill them It's actually an anti-shield buff, anti-armor nerf. The shotgun is, after all, Gallentean and is a blaster. You realize exactly how much of a boost that anti-shield bonus is, right? It's going to devastate shields, as it should. This will give the Breach variant a lot more tempting use than in 1.7, you know. As a Commando runner, I'll gladly take that shield damage over the rate of fire. Not only am I getting a boost from the Commando skill, but also Prof.? **** yeah. So no, it's actually not a nerf. You obviously dont use the shotgun Anyone who skilled up the shotgun knows how terrible of a bonus this is. The shotgun would need to 1 hit kill most suits and 2 hit kill heavys with this bonus for it to be worth it. It's not terrible. I in fact prefer this bonus over ROF, since alpha damage is king with SG's.
This shows you haven't leveled proficiency, no sane person would prefer shield damage over ROF. Especially since the shotgun is not a alpha weapon as it takes 2-3 shots to kill most enemy's, and a 15% bonus to shield damage won't change the # of shots needed to kill |
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