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Vitharr Foebane wrote:

Garth Mandra wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though.

The main issue at the moment is not being able to compete with rail rifles.

An effective range of 120m should be plenty to compete. If I recall correctly effective range should be about 30% damage efficiency.

This will probably turn the long range meta from RR dominance to LR dominance. Depending on the mysterious changes to short range LR damage this should give the LR back its niche. If the laser suddenly becomes useful in short range and CQC then it'll just be the RR once again.

No sign of an optimal range number in Vell0cet's csv unfortunately.

Just so ya know even it the LR had full close range damage it would suck at cqc as its hipfire is WAY to accurate for the two steppers. To give ya an example the HMG had the LR's hip fire from uprising 1.0-1.7 and how useful was it xD

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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 206	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:44:00 - [1] - Quote So where are the LR stats? Wy couldnt they just tell us? 100 meters? 200 meters?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13501	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:45:00 - [2] - Quote Ask the SDE. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1114	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? Best PvE idea ever!
Cyrius Li-Moody 4052	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absolureRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? pretty sure that translates to 110m and 250m. So it puts them at a little bit longer range than the RR. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1971	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? 110 and 250m Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 256	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:16:00 - [6] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: So where are the LR stats? Wy couldnt they just tell us? 100 meters? 200 meters? Probably 100 meters, 200 meter seems abit much, unless they plan on making it really long range. I believe it's 90 meters in 1.7 Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
jerrmy12 kahoalii 543	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:19:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ask the SDE. * shakes sde The sde says 110m range 18.7 damage and 21 heat buildup Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2399	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? 110 and 250m LASER SNIPE B*TCHES!!!!!! NOCTURNAL SOUL IS COMING FOR ALL YOU MOFOS Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 785	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote If i'm reading the SDE correctly then the base damage is different for each tier now (17, 17.85, 18.7) Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13526	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:22:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? 110 and 250m LASER SNIPE B*TCHES!!!!!! NOCTURNAL SOUL IS COMING FOR ALL YOU MOFOS ... and now I remember why his name invokes a level of fear.... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:24:00 - [11] - Quote I've been breaking out the LR recently and have had some success with it.... every time I light someone up with it I yell "BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRNNNN!!!!!!"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7637	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:30:00 - [12] - Quote What about the shortest effective range? "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1114	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: What about the shortest effective range? I'm not sure what attribute that's stored in. There's nothing I can see with an obvious name for this value. Best PvE idea ever!
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1114	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:04:00 - [14] - Quote I just uploaded a CSV of the laser rifle data on Google Drive. You should be able to open it in Excel or any other spreadsheet app. Best PvE idea ever!
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1115	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:09:00 - [15] - Quote So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though. Best PvE idea ever!
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion League of Infamy 353	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:06:00 - [16] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though. The main issue at the moment is not being able to compete with rail rifles. An effective range of 120m should be plenty to compete. If I recall correctly effective range should be about 30% damage efficiency. This will probably turn the long range meta from RR dominance to LR dominance. Depending on the mysterious changes to short range LR damage this should give the LR back its niche. If the laser suddenly becomes useful in short range and CQC then it'll just be the RR once again. No sign of an optimal range number in Vell0cet's csv unfortunately.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2434	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:07:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed. I would have liked 120m as well. But, depending on how fast it drops off to 250, things could get verrrrry interesting..... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3181	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:10:00 - [18] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I've been breaking out the LR recently and have had some success with it.... every time I light someone up with it I yell "BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRNNNN!!!!!!" I want to squad up with you, but only if you do this with the Playstation Eye as your mic with your window open. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 52	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:44:00 - [19] - Quote Well, does the RR have bonus damage on armor? Then it will be Caldari Commando with Laser Rifle (for shields) and Rail Rifle (for armor).
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8387	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:50:00 - [20] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? 110 and 250m LASER SNIPE B*TCHES!!!!!! NOCTURNAL SOUL IS COMING FOR ALL YOU MOFOS You fair weather Amarrians.....eugh...... " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum

Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1119	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though. The main issue at the moment is not being able to compete with rail rifles. An effective range of 120m should be plenty to compete. If I recall correctly effective range should be about 30% damage efficiency. This will probably turn the long range meta from RR dominance to LR dominance. Depending on the mysterious changes to short range LR damage this should give the LR back its niche. If the laser suddenly becomes useful in short range and CQC then it'll just be the RR once again. No sign of an optimal range number in Vell0cet's csv unfortunately. I hope you're right. If a LR is sitting at 100-110m going 1v1 against a RR, then the LR should win 99% of the time, if it can't then it needs more range until it can. For me that's the litmus test for LR viability. It has a TON of drawbacks (which I'm totally fine with) that make it difficult/situational to use, it needs to be dominant in some aspect to make up for this or you will always be better off choosing something more versatile. As for the optimal range, I didn't find anything. My SQL-fu isn't that great , so maybe it's hidden in another table somewhere that I didn't find/notice. In all likelihood that stuff is hard-coded into the game because that weapon has such unique behavior that creating attributes (rows in the database) that would be blank for every-other weapon would be pretty wasteful. I don't want a close-range buff to be honest. I like it having a long range niche that keeps it from being OP or the FOTM. @John Demonsbane: As for the drop off to absolute range, I'm sure it's rather abrupt (like it is now when something gets out of your effective range), unless they made an exception for this weapon we haven't heard about. As a reference, the RR has the same absolute range. Best PvE idea ever!
Iago Templar SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 51	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:59:00 - [22] - Quote Looking forward to scorching my name into peeps with the new and improved laser pen.
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 196	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:02:00 - [23] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I've been breaking out the LR recently and have had some success with it.... every time I light someone up with it I yell "BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRNNNN!!!!!!" this is true. makes me laugh every single time lol.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 786	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:09:00 - [24] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though. The main issue at the moment is not being able to compete with rail rifles. An effective range of 120m should be plenty to compete. If I recall correctly effective range should be about 30% damage efficiency. This will probably turn the long range meta from RR dominance to LR dominance. Depending on the mysterious changes to short range LR damage this should give the LR back its niche. If the laser suddenly becomes useful in short range and CQC then it'll just be the RR once again. No sign of an optimal range number in Vell0cet's csv unfortunately. Just so ya know even it the LR had full close range damage it would suck at cqc as its hipfire is WAY to accurate for the two steppers. To give ya an example the HMG had the LR's hip fire from uprising 1.0-1.7 and how useful was it xD Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8389	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:16:00 - [25] - Quote Iago Templar wrote: Looking forward to scorching my name into peeps with the new and improved laser pen. Why weren't you doing it this build? Half of these self professed laser "I'm gonna scorch mah name into you" guys will get wrecked by those who have been using the laser since uprising 1.0 " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Rusty Shallows 1158	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:22:00 - [26] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? 110 and 250m LASER SNIPE B*TCHES!!!!!! NOCTURNAL SOUL IS COMING FOR ALL YOU MOFOS Without your stacked damage mods and off-target cooking at best you'll be a terrifying menace to society. No Eve Godhood for you. However I will be ~~cowering~~ hiding in cover or LAVs accordingly. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Iago Templar SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:31:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Iago Templar wrote: Looking forward to scorching my name into peeps with the new and improved laser pen. Why weren't you doing it this build? Half of these self professed laser "I'm gonna scorch mah name into you" guys will get wrecked by those who have been using the laser since uprising 1.0 I have been trying to keep my eye in with the LR but sometimes the scr was just more useful at the time in matches. Its gonna take a little while to get my old mojo back with it but I'm confident I'll be back to my old ways in no time.
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1162	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:50:00 - [28] - Quote There are no optimal ranges in the SDE, you'll have to wait and see when 1.8 comes out. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1448	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:17:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Iago Templar wrote: Looking forward to scorching my name into peeps with the new and improved laser pen. Why weren't you doing it this build? Half of these self professed laser "I'm gonna scorch mah name into you" guys will get wrecked by those who have been using the laser since uprising 1.0 I too am looking forward to using this weapon again, other than the coolness of it being a laser though theres been no good reason to use it this build, getting out ranged and out dps'd by rail guns totally turned me off using it.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2436	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:42:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah, 1.7 has been almost LR free for me too. Pulled it out at most once a week maybe just for the heck of it but too frustrating with the RR spam. Just started using it a bit more now so I'll be ready to go once 1.8 hits. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 52	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:48:00 - [31] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Yeah, 1.7 has been almost LR free for me too. Pulled it out at most once a week maybe just for the heck of it but too frustrating with the RR spam. Just started using it a bit more now so I'll be ready to go once 1.8 hits. IKR? Took an Amarr medium frame with a laser rifle and 2 complex damage mods, the enemy shrugs it off like it's nothing. Then proceeds to get stuck on terrain and blown away by a Railgun. Embarassing.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3556	Posted - 2014.03.19 15:03:00 - [32] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absolureRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? pretty sure that translates to 110m and 250m. So it puts them at a little bit longer range than the RR. BYE BYE RAIL RIFLE SCRUBS ! ! ! I'VE GOT 3 MONTHS OF RR PTSD AND A LASER ! ! ! YOU BETTER RUN FOR THE HILLS MOTHERFUCKERS ! ! ! overheats Viziam dies laughing No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3556	Posted - 2014.03.19 15:10:00 - [33] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: What about the shortest effective range? Could be zero for all I care. If you're not using it like Kefka in his tower, you're doing it wrong. No.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1088	Posted - 2014.03.19 15:51:00 - [34] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So, the million-dollar question is, will this be enough range to get the job done. I would have liked the effective to be more like 120-130ish personally. I'm willing to wait-and-see though. The main issue at the moment is not being able to compete with rail rifles. An effective range of 120m should be plenty to compete. If I recall correctly effective range should be about 30% damage efficiency. This will probably turn the long range meta from RR dominance to LR dominance. Depending on the mysterious changes to short range LR damage this should give the LR back its niche. If the laser suddenly becomes useful in short range and CQC then it'll just be the RR once again. No sign of an optimal range number in Vell0cet's csv unfortunately. Just so ya know even it the LR had full close range damage it would suck at cqc as its hipfire is WAY to accurate for the two steppers. To give ya an example the HMG had the LR's hip fire from uprising 1.0-1.7 and how useful was it xD HMG had spread just not much if you stood still Also if you could aim it it was actually better than the current HMG because it would apply more DPS
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 334	Posted - 2014.03.20 09:43:00 - [35] - Quote So whats with the heat values? They said they were getting changed but from what I can see from the SDE theyre all the same. Stuff....?
Marc Rime 312	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:24:00 - [36] - Quote So the effective range seems to have been bumped from 90 to 110m. No idea if it's even possible to figure out the range profile from the SDE. Absolute range doesn't tell you much, most weapons seem to have 250m. Besides, LR damage takes a sharp dive past its effective range, compared to, say, all the rifles.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2330	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:04:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Iago Templar wrote: Looking forward to scorching my name into peeps with the new and improved laser pen. Why weren't you doing it this build? Half of these self professed laser "I'm gonna scorch mah name into you" guys will get wrecked by those who have been using the laser since uprising 1.0 Yup. Pretty much. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 112	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:32:00 - [38] - Quote As a scout, I really fear the return of the laser beam of death! I can't even tell you how many times I died to a single swipe of a Viziam Laser Rifle prior to 1.0.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1188	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:00:00 - [39] - Quote alten hilt wrote: As a scout, I really fear the return of the laser beam of death! I can't even tell you how many times I died to a single swipe of a Viziam Laser Rifle prior to 1.0. The cloak should allow you to engage in CQC much more easily now though. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out. I know I'll be paranoid about getting shotgunned/knifed when I'm rocking the LR. Best PvE idea ever!
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 364	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:31:00 - [40] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Looking at the SDE the mFireMode0.effectiveRange = 11,000.0 and the mFireMode0.absoluteRange = 25,000.0 for the wpn_laserrifle_am_std. Does anyone know what units they're in? Edit: Ranges are the same for all variants. centimeters? Those ranges sound amazing, great.



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