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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled .

Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release.

Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care.

Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential.

Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled.

Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly.

Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be.

That's because CCP fcking locks them all so they can pile them all in the respec discussion thread and never read them.

This might be true. Sad if it is.

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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:20:00 - [1] - Quote The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1029	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:26:00 - [2] - Quote Rebalance and new, unique content (not filler, like the suits) do not warrant a respec. The reason we are getting a dropsuit refund is because the dropsuits coming out now should have been out since the beginning, and it gives the opportunity to get out of a filler dropsuit (e.g. there was only one heavy, now you actually have a choice) without changing your specialized role (so it's not a respec per se). Your core and weapon skills should still, for the most part, support the role you chose (apart from armor or shield skills). Me in my ADS: 1,2
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1985	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:28:00 - [3] - Quote Meh, With almost maxed core skills, 5 light weapons nearly maxed and 2 sidearms With a decent amount of skill in them, I just don't care anymore. Why should the aristocracy care about all these plebs and their small litle problems? Let them get proto stomped even more by players With an arsenal of various setups and tactics. Keep the plebs Down! - They obviously don't know whats best for them anyway, they are here mostly to fund the mediocre through taxes so that the mediocre can hire in the Elite so that they don't lose all the time. Everything is working as intended, or I would rather say: "Sure, why not?" FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2602	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:29:00 - [4] - Quote The rage of people respecing into crap guns or FOTMS is not worth it. Dropsuit command is only being refunded because people where forced to skill into suits due lack of promised suits, much like the assult rifle. Stop thinking so short term and think long term. It takes you a month tops to reskill and more changes will come so frankly stop treating this game like cod and HTFU and skill into the new environment Skillpoints are for life not just for Christmass "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2396	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:30:00 - [5] - Quote Everyone that complained kinda gave up so its just meh. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2102	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:31:00 - [6] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. That's because CCP fcking locks them all so they can pile them all in the respec discussion thread and never read them. For the Federation!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 954	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:32:00 - [7] - Quote Its a fair compromise. After all they could have said no refund at all "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:32:00 - [8] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Rebalance and new, unique content (not filler, like the suits) do not warrant a respec. The reason we are getting a dropsuit refund is because the dropsuits coming out now should have been out since the beginning, and it gives the opportunity to get out of a filler dropsuit (e.g. there was only one heavy, now you actually have a choice) without changing your specialized role (so it's not a respec per se). Your core and weapon skills should still, for the most part, support the role you chose (apart from armor or shield skills). The fact that you have to place statements in brackets warrants some questioning. You already understand but you sound like you are wavering. The fact that these options were not in place from the beginning should have some merit. Most placed skill points into items that had nothing to do with their race or play type but did it out of necessity and now with the changes this should have been considered. It's only fair and right by standards measured. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:33:00 - [9] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. That's because CCP fcking locks them all so they can pile them all in the respec discussion thread and never read them. This might be true. Sad if it is. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1384	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:35:00 - [10] - Quote becuase CCP has monotized SP, the sale of boosters and AUR gear (wich is like buying temporary SP) are how they make their money. so, naturally handing SP back to players unless absolutly 100% riot inducing nessesary is simply NOT going to happen and it shouldnt happen. CCP sells skill points, they give a bunch of them out at events for free, but once you spend em thats it. thats the buisness model, thats how teh game stays free. to complain about respecs is to complain that the game is free and wish that you paid 50 bucks for something that will be discontinued in a year or two.

Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 520	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:36:00 - [11] - Quote Honestly, I can't bring myself to care. I would have preferred that FoTM chasers be locked into their choices, dropsuit upgrades are all skills you are going train sooner or later there are probably 3-5 skills at most that are completely useless to any given role. A respec of weaponry I feel should happen but right now doesn't make sense since parity has not been achieved with sidearms/heavy weapons; not sure about light weapons but I feel like those have been fully fleshed out minus min/amarr light av. Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1304	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:38:00 - [12] - Quote Keep in mind that we're given 2 million SP for free, nevertheless a week before 1.8 is going to be launched. Nobody else see the coincidence here? CCP wanted to be reasonable and gave us a dropsuit command respec, since some people were forced to spec into other suits due to the fact that their choice didn't exist yet. CCP did recognize that by speccing into new suits, some of the modules you invested in would become useless or not so useful, so they did this event to soften the blow. 2 million SP is plenty for maxing out a few module/equipment skills and get some proficiency into a new weapon. And really, if you haven't predicted this at all by saving SP but rather continuing using SP on things you won't be needing in your new suit, combined with the 2 million extra you're going to get from this event, you deserve to be sup-optimal. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Feb. 10th
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:39:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: The rage of people respecing into crap guns or FOTMS is not worth it. Dropsuit command is only being refunded because people where forced to skill into suits due lack of promised suits, much like the assult rifle. Stop thinking so short term and think long term. It takes you a month tops to reskill and more changes will come so frankly stop treating this game like cod and HTFU and skill into the new environment Skillpoints are for life not just for Christmass I have prototype in several area's but all I'm saying is , " It would have been nice to go full Caldari " or whatever race instead of having a bunch of items that I won't use and skilled into to compete. There is no player market so whatever CCP would have given me in terms of isk would have been fair and better than anything I could I've gotten from the market anyway. Really don't need the clutter and backlog of useless items. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 226	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:39:00 - [14] - Quote There needs to be a downside to FotM chasing, a full respec would liquidate all that SP sunk into Flayloc etc to then be put into the new thing. And when things get changed again people will ask for another respec. Sure there's SP I've wasted early on that I'd love to get back but if it means not rewarding the players going from one crutch to another then I can live with that. Personally I'm even against the respec we're getting. I like knowing that the slayer logis have sunk millions of SP into Cal logi which they're now not using.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2103	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:40:00 - [15] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. That's because CCP fcking locks them all so they can pile them all in the respec discussion thread and never read them. This might be true. Sad if it is. It really is true look up respec in the search bar and every thread is locked after 10 minutes by Logibro redirecting it to the respec thread. Talk about authoritarian. For the Federation!
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1027	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:41:00 - [16] - Quote Welcome to Dust. And to CCP/Shanghai. And to CCP. And prepare to hear HTFU (search google for CCP HTFU video) shouted loudly even though we are not stupid pod people. Only then can you fully realize that they truly do not care what you think or how you feel. Welcome to Dust. And so it goes.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1277	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:43:00 - [17] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Its a fair compromise. After all they could have said no refund at all This. People need to keep in mind that CCP has clear default position on this. Any deviation from "no respecs" is already a concession they are not, in any way shape or form, obligated to grant. Wether you like it or not. Also: inb4 lock. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:43:00 - [18] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase CCP has monotized SP, the sale of boosters and AUR gear (wich is like buying temporary SP) are how they make their money. so, naturally handing SP back to players unless absolutly 100% riot inducing nessesary is simply NOT going to happen and it shouldnt happen. CCP sells skill points, they give a bunch of them out at events for free, but once you spend em thats it. thats the buisness model, thats how teh game stays free. to complain about respecs is to complain that the game is free and wish that you paid 50 bucks for something that will be discontinued in a year or two. That's fair what your saying. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4823	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:44:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. We're getting a minimum of 2 million new skillpoints from this event. There's no reason to complain. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:52:00 - [20] - Quote I apologize if it sounds like complaining. It just would have been nice to have these options right out the door from the beginning and now it just seems like I have to bend over because of something that was not my fault ... by not having these choices from the start. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1386	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:55:00 - [21] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I apologize if it sounds like complaining. It just would have been nice to have these options right out the door from the beginning and now it just seems like I have to bend over because of something that was not my fault ... by not having these choices from the start. well you WERE told no respects refunds or anything of the sort from the start....so theres that
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 595	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:56:00 - [22] - Quote Shocked AND outraged. You are never getting your flaylock SP out of that void. You made a choice knowing full well that it was getting nerfed into the ground and you are stuck with it now.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:56:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I apologize if it sounds like complaining. It just would have been nice to have these options right out the door from the beginning and now it just seems like I have to bend over because of something that was not my fault ... by not having these choices from the start. well you WERE told no respects refunds or anything of the sort from the start....so theres that I guess. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1386	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:58:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I apologize if it sounds like complaining. It just would have been nice to have these options right out the door from the beginning and now it just seems like I have to bend over because of something that was not my fault ... by not having these choices from the start. well you WERE told no respects refunds or anything of the sort from the start....so theres that I guess. im shocked that people still dont believe that they arnt getting any respecs or refunds... i mean occasionally we get points back, through alot of lobbying from our awesome CPM members, but CCP in no way ever had or has the intention of refunding ANY sp whatsoever and never has.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:02:00 - [25] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I apologize if it sounds like complaining. It just would have been nice to have these options right out the door from the beginning and now it just seems like I have to bend over because of something that was not my fault ... by not having these choices from the start. well you WERE told no respects refunds or anything of the sort from the start....so theres that I guess. im shocked that people still dont believe that they arnt getting any respecs or refunds... i mean occasionally we get points back, through alot of lobbying from our awesome CPM members, but CCP in no way ever had or has the intention of refunding ANY sp whatsoever and never has. Well now I can understand why people seemed cool with what is happening. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 557	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:11:00 - [26] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The fact that I don't see more post about how the skill points refund is handled . Seems quite unfair that command is being refunded without the weapons and core skills. The introduction of new side arms , changing the method of performance of damage mods , changes to equipment and suit bonuses garnered a change to something that would have been more appropriate for a true release. Roles were incomplete and all the suits and weapons were not available but now these problems are being solved while new one's arise ... like the fact that the refund is not being handled with care. Players had to choose weapons and suits to survive , so now with more of a true selection players who have settled for less can now play to their full potential. Core and weapons should have been refunded as well so that players could go " fully racial " and play to their races play types. This is truly being hindered from the way that the refund is being handled. Reasons could be given as well as examples but I'm sure that there is nothing that I could say that most already do not understand ... all I would like to see is a reconsidering of the refund for racial distribution fairly and correctly. Just refunding the command is half @$$ing it . No offence but it's true. Allow the merc's of Dust 514 to be all that they can be. That's because CCP fcking locks them all so they can pile them all in the respec discussion thread and never read them. This is literally the only reason you don't see them. They were all banished to forum post hell, which is a lot like the regular forums, except they have a fitness center and a pool. Oh, and their tram system works. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 232	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:15:00 - [27] - Quote I'm getting 3 mil sp from the clone event which is about a 20% increase to the SP I already have. With 1.6 mil refund from the dropsuit command respec I will have 4.6 mil to get my Cal scout. I am happy. Most importantly I hope this breaks the trend of respec demands since respecs ARE a bad thing to the longevity of the game. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 402	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:47:00 - [28] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Most importantly I hope this breaks the trend of respec demands since respecs ARE a bad thing to the longevity of the game. Now this I agree with. Gameplay is changing dramatically so with that more of a refund would have helped greatly. Understanding why people feel like this doesn't bother them now I get too. I can now be a Caldari heavy , Commando or scout even but it just would have helped with the damage mod changes , equipment changes , intro of new side arms and suit bonuses changes on top of racial suit completion ( Screw pilot suits ... to me logi suits are best for vehicle use and do more than a pilot could ever ) just seems like it deserved more since they chose to give to begin with but I can take what I'm getting. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2361	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:48:00 - [29] - Quote As someone with 24m SP and almost all of the dropsuit upgrades tree maxed... At this point I don't really care what they do with respecs. I'm glad we got DS Command refunded, that was fairly necessary... All the rest of it would be nice but i would be putting most of it back into the same stuff. With the new changes to proficiency I see no reason to go any more than prof 2 in any weapon, so it would be nice to get my AR SP back... But if my option was to refund ARs or to get 3 mil SP for playing 10 games ill just take the free SP. I get the same amount of SP back either way but now I get to keep ARs in case they are ever worth running again.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1063	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:51:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Meh, With almost maxed core skills, 5 light weapons nearly maxed and 2 sidearms With a decent amount of skill in them, I just don't care anymore. Why should the aristocracy care about all these plebs and their small litle problems? Let them get proto stomped even more by players With an arsenal of various setups and tactics. Keep the plebs Down! - They obviously don't know whats best for them anyway, they are here mostly to fund the mediocre through taxes so that the mediocre can hire in the Elite so that they don't lose all the time. Everything is working as intended, or I would rather say: "Sure, why not?" And that type of thinking right there is partly why this game does not attract nor keep a decent amount of players. @ the OP - The weapons changes will only slightly reduce TTK at best. The RR will still be too powerful, the CR will still be the weapon of choice inside 50 ish meters. The charge scrambler rifle might actually be more balanced now, I'm not sure. I still think its rate of fire will be too high. And the AR will still be of limited use while its variants will totally suck. Nope, still no balance here. Investigate 9/11



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