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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:58:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:After you fix the terrible AV, jihad jeeps are the only way to AV right now.
Edit: I realize people cannot read or think outside the box so... The emphasis is on terrible AV and posting out that jihad jeeps is the only properly working AV.... Bla4ckst4r, Lorhak, Godin and any other tanker who wants to cry on the DUST forums about JLAVs: The greater Dust community takes great pride in the following suggestion - HTFU To suggest that the very use of JLAVs is anything other than out of the box thinking clearly demonstrates your ignorance and shortsightedness. Not to mention your penchant for selfish unfair play that is only ever questioned when someone ups your ante It is RoShamBo people. The game is fundamentally unbalanced - just like real life. If you bring Paper I can bring Scissors, if you bring Rock I can bring JLAV. Don't like it? HTFU
I don't even...
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Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
372
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:58:00 -
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I think if you improve AV the suicide LAVs will dwindle, but we should leave them as a sandbox option. They're not overpowered, and the unpredictability keeps things interesting and keeps you on your toes. (I personally want battles to be less predictable than they are right now. Removing options makes it more predictable.)
The bigger problem I have with LAVs is that they don't take damage or speed loss when ramming infantry. I appreciate that road kill is a legitimate tactic at high speeds, but impact should have effect on a LAV, if only to reduce speed and prevent you from road-killing multiple infantry in one pass. It's true that this really affects only a handful of situations. But at least the road-killing LAVs are low-risk relative to the damage they're causing, while suicide LAVs are guaranteed loss for a relatively low level of success.
The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7431
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:11:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I bolded the important bit. You lost me still. The title of this thread suggests that the OP just wants the Jihad Jeeps to be removed in general even after fixing AV. Even after AV is fixed (ie: swarm launchers, forge guns, plasma cannons, AV grenades, etc.), Jihad Jeeps should remain as an available option. It does suggest that but I like the tactic. I just wanted to bring emphasis to the fact that only the the jihad works, everything else sucks; it shouldn't be removed because it shows how far we will go to achieve a goal.
Then WHY did you give your thread a title that highly suggests you want Jihad Jeeps removed? Wouldn't it have been better to give it a name that implies more about what you really mean? That way you and I wouldn't be having this silly discussion.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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VonSpliff
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
79
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:13:00 -
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Everything should have speed loss when hit by something. If any av hits a tank they shouldn't be able to speed off. Durpships lose control, so the other vehicles need the same hurdle.
"It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4677
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:13:00 -
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No.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Reallusion GrimSleeper
Need Permission to Die LLC
20
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:15:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:
The bigger problem I have with LAVs is that they don't take damage or speed loss when ramming infantry. I appreciate that road kill is a legitimate tactic at high speeds, but impact should have effect on a LAV, if only to reduce speed and prevent you from road-killing multiple infantry in one pass.
I dunno... I kinda like bowling with a JEEP! :-) It's lovely when people are all grouped up or almost in formation and you come from behind or the side and smash 3 or 4 of them, lol. In real life, cars generally can hit people and keep going full speed if they don't let off the gas... I don't see why it should be much difference here. Only exception to this in my opinion should be heavy suits... maybe that should slow it down a bit, but not tremendously enough that they cease to move. Maybe 15% drop in speed or something, but allow it to accelerate back quickly enough that 2 or 3 seconds of accelerating will get them back to max speed.
What would be more interesting is if it kind of rolled over them and threw the wheels off a bit so you don't know where you will go and must fight to keep control. THAT would be kinda cool.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:26:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I bolded the important bit. You lost me still. The title of this thread suggests that the OP just wants the Jihad Jeeps to be removed in general even after fixing AV. Even after AV is fixed (ie: swarm launchers, forge guns, plasma cannons, AV grenades, etc.), Jihad Jeeps should remain as an available option. It does suggest that but I like the tactic. I just wanted to bring emphasis to the fact that only the the jihad works, everything else sucks; it shouldn't be removed because it shows how far we will go to achieve a goal. Then WHY did you give your thread a title that highly suggests you want Jihad Jeeps removed? Wouldn't it have been better to give it a name that implies more about what you really mean? That way you and I wouldn't be having this silly discussion.
Highly suggests? It says nothing else lol. Not sure I really understand the confusion except the OP's apparently uncertain statements of what he wants. Not sure why he felt the need to edit his post and suggest ppl don't read.....
...yeah, I'd have said, "when you buff broken AV, remove JJs". That would've been clear. But that's me. |
8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1794
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:04:00 -
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I read it.
I like the Jhad Jeep, and I want it to stay, even after AV gets fixed.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8322
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:15:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:After you fix the terrible AV, jihad jeeps are the only way to AV right now.
Edit: I realize people cannot read or think outside the box so... The emphasis is on terrible AV and posting out that jihad jeeps is the only properly working AV....
Edit2: this is not tanker QQ I am a dropship pilot why would I defend my enemy :(
So would I but AV doesnt need a huge buff. If you want to make short term buffs then minimalistic changes need to be made fo AV damage modules to make them competitive. This does not mean they need huge increases.
Most changes need to occur on the part of the HAV.
Eventually AV numbers have to stabilise, after which HAV and vehicles can be balanced around AV, not AV balanced around 1 vehicle frame which we know is supposed to the heaviest and most durable.
Considering our light vehicles both ground and air based HAV is still sitting in a place where a skilled AVer can solo a light (LAV) or Mid frame (Dropship) vehicle. This I feel is a safe place to sit.
I want AV to be competitive as well, I miss feeling vulnerable.
AV numbers eventually have to stabilise and I feel it would be better to see HAV units as the durable high ISK and skill intensive units they are (although the 1.7 HAV are pretty unbalanced) instead of units everyone and their mother can spam, solo, etc.
Make no mistake I dont particularly like the HAV dynamic of 1.7
Rail > than everything.
Redline = invincibility.
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Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
288
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:23:00 -
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Jihadi jeeps in Dust 514 and jihadi dirtbikes in BF4. Life is (in)glorious for tankers in either game.  |
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Charlotte O'Dell
Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors
2178
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:43:00 -
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No. Fix the redline.
Tanks in play are not too hard to kill.
Red liners are only weak vs JLAVs and glass cannons
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7436
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:58:00 -
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Please see Judge Rhadamanthus' YouTube videos on how to see the real issues behind vehicles and AV.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:08:00 -
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Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote:I hate everyone who doesn't read things before replying to them.
So you hate everyone in my thread? lol
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:10:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Please see Judge Rhadamanthus' YouTube videos on how to see the real issues behind vehicles and AV.
All he talks about is Dropships, and wants to just nerf HAV's.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7438
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:30:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Please see Judge Rhadamanthus' YouTube videos on how to see the real issues behind vehicles and AV. All he talks about is Dropships, and wants to just nerf HAV's.
Which nerf are you talking about? The kind of nerf that makes anything absolutely useless or the nerf meant to make something retain its competitiveness but not be overpowering anymore? Looking at Judge's videos, he's talking about the latter.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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medomai grey
WarRavens
League of Infamy
452
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:43:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:After you fix the terrible AV, jihad jeeps are the only way to AV right now.
Edit: I realize people cannot read or think outside the box so... The emphasis is on terrible AV and posting out that jihad jeeps is the only properly working AV....
Edit2: this is not tanker QQ I am a dropship pilot why would I defend my enemy :( Really bad choice of title and wording that muddle the actual point you're trying to convey.
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
176
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:46:00 -
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NO!
This game need more vehicles!
dangCCPyou'reslowpickupthepace
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Please see Judge Rhadamanthus' YouTube videos on how to see the real issues behind vehicles and AV. All he talks about is Dropships, and wants to just nerf HAV's. Which nerf are you talking about? The kind of nerf that makes anything absolutely useless or the nerf meant to make something retain its competitiveness but not be overpowering anymore? Looking at Judge's videos, he's talking about the latter.
I remember him saying that it should take 2-3 shots from a AIFG to kill a hardened HAV, similar to a DS, and I loled at him and left the channel.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:49:00 -
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nm
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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