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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:32:00 -
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I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits.
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Testing Turbo
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:33:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Testing Turbo wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Give me shield rep hives, a shield rep tool, and shield extenders that give more than 2 ar rounds of hp, and I'll consider it. Ok, just give me built in reps that repair 30 a second with no module needed and higher speed. Deal? If you take 8 seconds to begin repairing after taking damage and that increases the more armor plates you stack .. sure Yes, just so long as your repair goes down to 2 a second(without mods)
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2688
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:37:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:So what you guys only have 3 lows? At STD and ADV, yes. We gain 1 extra high at Proto, but usually half of these slots are used for reps. Okay cal ass has 3 at proto fit 1 rep and that makes 2 slots but very long rep time. You have 3 highs or just 2 at proto? 1/2/3 So you use 2 plates, like us. Like I said, you can run 2 plates and get slight less armour then us or just run 3 and get our same armour. We can not get your level of shields. It's basically the same, if we want a close rep match to you then we need 2 reppers which leaves 1 plate, most people run 1-2 DMG mods but in 1.8 that'll change so we have 66 more shields but a way slower rep time. Do you mean the shield delay from extenders? How much are you losing?
It's just a simple fact that most Caldari assaults run plates in the lows and usually have around 450 armour. So a Caldari assault can get 400+ shields and 400 armour and still have their main source of hp rep at a high level.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2688
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Testing Turbo wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Testing Turbo wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Give me shield rep hives, a shield rep tool, and shield extenders that give more than 2 ar rounds of hp, and I'll consider it. Ok, just give me built in reps that repair 30 a second with no module needed and higher speed. Deal? If you take 8 seconds to begin repairing after taking damage and that increases the more armor plates you stack .. sure Yes, just so long as your repair goes down to 2 a second(without mods) If we get lower fitting costs and higher HP and you have higher fitting costs and less HP sure
Are we talking about extenders vs plates? Because in talking about suits.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2688
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:40:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits.
Ah, but that is the point.
The Gallente assault is a bad suit. Not evenly matched, it is worst then the other versions.
Just as the AR is the worst rifle and the Ion Pistol will be the worst new sidearm.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
456
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:48:00 -
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This is why we need 8 slots.
Cal 7-3/6-4
Amarr 2-8
Gallente 3-7/4-6
Minmatar 5-5
Gallente get a 2.0 armor repair module multiplier
Caldari get a 2.0 shield regulator multiplier
Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles!
Heroes in a half Gank!
TURTLE POWER!!!
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property
1881
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:55:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits. Ah, but that is the point. The Gallente assault is a bad suit. Not evenly matched, it is worst then the other versions. Just as the AR is the worst rifle and the Ion Pistol will be the worst new sidearm.
Have you used the minmatar lmfao... They have a right to complain not you, don't like your suit then skill gal logi 1.8 it's the best logi in the game and you get some nice tank.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2690
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:40:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits. Ah, but that is the point. The Gallente assault is a bad suit. Not evenly matched, it is worst then the other versions. Just as the AR is the worst rifle and the Ion Pistol will be the worst new sidearm. Have you used the minmatar lmfao... They have a right to complain not you, don't like your suit then skill gal logi 1.8 it's the best logi in the game and you get some nice tank.
Have you used the Gallente Assault?
It had the worst and 2nd worst stats of all suits. The Minmatat Assault might be bad, but that's only because of the lows.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property
1881
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:19:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits. Ah, but that is the point. The Gallente assault is a bad suit. Not evenly matched, it is worst then the other versions. Just as the AR is the worst rifle and the Ion Pistol will be the worst new sidearm. Have you used the minmatar lmfao... They have a right to complain not you, don't like your suit then skill gal logi 1.8 it's the best logi in the game and you get some nice tank. Have you used the Gallente Assault? It had the worst and 2nd worst stats of all suits. The Minmatat Assault might be bad, but that's only because of the lows.
I see gal ass more than cal ass I see logis more than any assault and now heavies are becoming a fotm
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
807
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:40:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Give me shield rep hives, a shield rep tool, and shield extenders that give more than 2 ar rounds of hp, and I'll consider it. Ok, just give me built in reps that repair 30 a second with no module needed and higher speed. Deal?
Ok, I'll give you that if you remove the recharge delay on shields and fix it so that we can repair it while under fire.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2690
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:56:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Give me shield rep hives, a shield rep tool, and shield extenders that give more than 2 ar rounds of hp, and I'll consider it. Ok, just give me built in reps that repair 30 a second with no module needed and higher speed. Deal? Ok, I'll give you that if you remove the recharge delay on shields and fix it so that we can repair it while under fire.
Great, now we have armour and shields that repair forever!
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2451
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:05:00 -
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What is this bollocks? Some 1 complaining about the gallente assault beeing UP? Seriously what are you doing? You are supposed to put damage mods in the high slots and something like 2 reppers+2plates in the low. A complex plate gives double as much HP like a complex shield extender. If you would have constantly repped suits without a module then every 1 and their mother would run armor suits.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2690
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:13:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:What is this bollocks? Some 1 complaining about the gallente assault beeing UP? Seriously what are you doing? You are supposed to put damage mods in the high slots and something like 2 reppers+2plates in the low. A complex plate gives double as much HP like a complex shield extender. If you would have constantly repped suits without a module then every 1 and their mother would run armor suits.
Wow, that's what I've been saying. We are a armour based suit but every other suit can run just as much or more armour with less penalty.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
509
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:15:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I get that they are using yin and yang, but all the Caldari assaults stats are better then the Gallente's.
It got a 2 go rep(finally) and that's it. It doesn't make sense, how can it have worst stats and not at least have a better ehp pool?
Isn't that meant to be armours perk? Higher hp output with a drawback of being slower.
After you stack plates they don't. You obviously know this so why are making this thread?
32db Mad Bomber.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
845
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:40:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Give me shield rep hives, a shield rep tool, and shield extenders that give more than 2 ar rounds of hp, and I'll consider it. Ok, just give me built in reps that repair 30 a second with no module needed and higher speed. Deal?
So armor has:
1. rep hives
2. rep tool
3. more hp
Shields have:
1. passive rep
You owe me two more advantages.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
866
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:48:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Master Smurf wrote:So you guys want the best Assault as well ??? Well, it would be nice not to have the worst. We have bad stats and a bad bonus. GǪ..you guys have a great assault slot layout (look at minmitar assault and you have the definition of useless), and your bonus is not bad at al all (hint: use the duvolle tactical and ion pistol and you will tear caldari suits a new *******) Minmatar suits only suffer because of the lack of lows and how effective stacking armour plates are. The bonus is just bad compared to the Minmatar and Amarr bonuses, we all know how good a ScR is when fitted on a Proto Amarr assault and the CR is going to be even more deadly with its high ammo count in the mag. Giving us a bonus that might make the TAR or a sidearm slightly better isn't really so good in comparison.
Huh. Just logged off of my proto Callogi with Duvolle AR, and i had 511 shield, 31.6 recharge, and a recharge delay of like 4 seconds.
Compared to my main's minassault, i can run 25+/5 consistently.
Min assault can't get as good of a recharge rate, shield HP or recharge delays.
Caldari assault/midframe gets 4/3, meaning 500+ shield AND 2 spare low slots when you use a CPU.
Min assault gets maybe 1, however they have even less PG than caldari.
Stop whining about your lack of a beastly bonus. Amarr is super slow and gets -maybe- 100 extra health. Minmatar gainst .3 walking speed...and that's it.
Caldari gets the best shield stats, best slot layout, AND fitting layout.
Gallente gets a bonus that lets them use a Gek/duvolle like a breach AR, but without the drawbacks of 30% reduced DPS.
Minmatar gets a bonus that lets them shoot 40% of their clip before dying. Great job CCP. ****** slot layout meets a bonus designed for stand and deliver roles. Honestly i would like gallente to hve clipsize, minmatar to have RoF, and caldai to have hipfire(of course after nerfing their hipfire accuracy, no need for quake level accurate snipers)
'Sorry Dakka, they're just so... Beautiful.' -cries-
Tits are my new god, as the Galscout has enlightened me.
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star.
EoN.
119
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Posted - 2014.03.17 07:17:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't understand the point of this... The suits are supposed to be evenly matched not one be king of the suits.
One suit to rule them all
Seriously though, the idea is that each suit SHOULD have its pros and cons
GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥
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