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Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 2017	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:27:00 - [31] - Quote C0TS wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: On behalf of the protobear community we except the challenge, under one condition: We don't do your challenge we do our own, using proto gear, squads and stomp the ** out of the new players It seems like most of the Proto stomping community plays Dust because they got owned in BF and CoD. Instead of playing on even ground they seek games like Dust because they need a major advantage over others to be competitive. Aren't good in CoD well I have a game where if you pay 60$, the same price as a CoD game, you can be better than everyone without requiring the skill. Don't have the ability to play FPS, how about we set you up in a tank, nothing like BF where you can get owned in vehicles but this game you can suck and still put up numbers because no one can harm you outside of other elite players. And ofc you dont have to worry about other elite player because elite dont play vs elite the py just exit the lobby when they see each other. Nothing but people who can't cut it in other FPS, they use Dust and a steroid type boost to their "skill" from their massive SP. There are some great players, but great players don't use a crutch... No need for superior gesr, no need for superior team or squads... Real FPS pick up a controller and play and they sit around and wait for other losers with high SP to join their squads to stomp on newbies who no matter their skill level aren't going to compete with high SP teams spamming Proto gear, 6 tanks etc... So before you enter a conversation about having about how to improve the game by trying to experience somewhat what it is like for a new player to join dust, maybe you should stop relying on your crutch to get by and man up. Its tiring to see what bitches most of the elite community is, crying about a few red line sniper or refusing to embrace a fair and balanced matchmaking system. But then again, being fair isn't why you play dust 514, it's because for the most part the uneven matches and the thrill of killing a player under 3m SP is rewarding because you couldn't kill anyone with regularity in other games. Good morning angry man, glad to seee you didn't sleep very well, 1st off what does proto stomping have anything to do with other games... But I know plenty of people who play other fps very very well, so either back your accusations with proof or stfu. Why do we play Dust? dunno. But the idea behind the game is to get better stuff, so when people get better stuff, they then become criminals because they use it? side note: I spend most time on dust in a BPO scout suit with MLT modules, still ** new guys I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 31	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:35:00 - [32] - Quote C0TS wrote: So before you enter a conversation about having about how to improve the game by trying to experience somewhat what it is like for a new player to join dust, maybe you should stop relying on your crutch to get by and man up. Its tiring to see what bitches most of the elite community is, crying about a few red line sniper or refusing to embrace a fair and balanced matchmaking system. But then again, being fair isn't why you play dust 514, it's because for the most part the uneven matches and the thrill of killing a player under 3m SP is rewarding because you couldn't kill anyone with regularity in other games. +1 to that! Its kind of hilarious. People grind to get to elite equipment, then squad or double squad up to stomp newbs. And they do all this using aim assist. Then they claim that this is, infact skill. When you look at real life examples, like skilled trades....a skilled tradesmen is still skilled, even if he changes companies and and crews, or if he works solo. Even if you take the SnapOn ratchet out of his hand and put a generic China one, he can still employ his skills to do the job properly. Here in Dust, you take one of these "skilled" protostomping vets and remove one thing from their recipe, and they are done. If you take away their squad and force them to fight 1 vs 1 instead of 6 vs 1, they die first. If you take away their proto gear, they die right away. If you take away their aim assist, they cant do more than drive an LAV.
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 189	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:38:00 - [33] - Quote Commando A-1, 800 ehp, 2 light weapons, 1 equipment, no mods. A suit for true warriors. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 346	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:02:00 - [34] - Quote But...we already know. They already know, so why would they? I run STD scout - but I'm under no illusion that my 15mil SP is the reason I can go KDR positive in 95% of matches (even proto stomps) compared to 50% when I was 4mil. Though, for non-frontline roles, I think you still need knowledge about maps, mechanics and tactics to get the most out your SP. If you rely on straight up gun-game, than clearly having more Offensive and Defensive power than the other guy gives a much more obvious advantage. One exception to this scouts and dampening - it's takes a good investment to get under ADV scanners without damps. I'm glad new scouts won't have to go through that BS. I'd only care about protobears and their padded KDRs if CCP genuinely thought SP and ISK doesn't give huge advantages. The Ghost of Bravo
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 274	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:06:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: I see how you like to tell the new players to "HTFU" and adapt your tactics because it's supposedly easy to kill you, so why not prove it? My challenge, is to run a completely new character for the period of 1 month, and then post your stats. Since it's relatively easy to kill "Protobears" with teamwork, this should be a cakewalk. However to simulate the NPE, you are not allowed to transfer ISK into the new character, nor are you allowed to run with a squad of players wearing PRO gear themselves, and you are not allowed to use Assault Dropships or HAVs. If your up for it, then why not eh? -HAND I worked hard for my proto gear and im going to use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it untill im done with this game Why are you reading my bio? Stalker......
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2840	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:07:00 - [36] - Quote Done that twice, its a nightmare and most new players who know nothing at all about the game think its sht. Sad but true. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:09:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: I see how you like to tell the new players to "HTFU" and adapt your tactics because it's supposedly easy to kill you, so why not prove it? My challenge, is to run a completely new character for the period of 1 month, and then post your stats. Since it's relatively easy to kill "Protobears" with teamwork, this should be a cakewalk. However to simulate the NPE, you are not allowed to transfer ISK into the new character, nor are you allowed to run with a squad of players wearing PRO gear themselves, and you are not allowed to use Assault Dropships or HAVs. If your up for it, then why not eh? -HAND Wow, another QQ thread. I can kill ANY proto bear with a 300hp suit and a milita Forge. How to kill a proto at any level...... Minimal skills required 1. Smash him with a milita ship 2. Get above him and drop an RE on his head 3. If you can't shoot him, run him over 4. Shoot him in the face point blank with a shotty. 5. Send hate mail to distract him, then sneak up behind him with a nova knife 6. Call in a free lav to land on his head 7. Push him into acid pit 8. Pay a red a large ammount of isk to drive/fly him to redzone. 9. Plant re's on a dropship for him to steal (priceless) 10. #10 ways to kill a proto.........Drum roll........... out smart him!!! Brain beats bronze every time. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2841	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:09:00 - [38] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Atiim wrote: I see how you like to tell the new players to "HTFU" and adapt your tactics because it's supposedly easy to kill you, so why not prove it? My challenge, is to run a completely new character for the period of 1 month, and then post your stats. Since it's relatively easy to kill "Protobears" with teamwork, this should be a cakewalk. However to simulate the NPE, you are not allowed to transfer ISK into the new character, nor are you allowed to run with a squad of players wearing PRO gear themselves, and you are not allowed to use Assault Dropships or HAVs. If your up for it, then why not eh? -HAND I worked hard for my proto gear and im going to use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it untill im done with this game Could you elaborate, I'm not quite sure what you mean lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Deltahawk Durango Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:18:00 - [39] - Quote been doing this challenge for a while now... never spent any SP (eventually i'll put it into ADS skills), never joined a corp or squad, and only run ambush... KDR is 0.66 but some games are really rough... but it is satisfying to drop a proto ambush all-star... trick is to flank them... I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1282	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:22:00 - [40] - Quote Popcorn anyone? CEO Whiskey squad leader Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.

Cotsy Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:23:00 - [41] - Quote Those with high SP should be kept away from those with lower SP. This can be done by Scotty - who can divide up players based on skill (WP averages, total SP) and if you're in a squad it takes the 3 best scores. It can be divided into tiers, 1 of 5 tiers with top tier being at 24m SP and lowest tier beginning after battle academy at 3m SP. Have the good players play against the good players, have the elite square off against the elite. This not only ensures gameplay balanced, but it also improves new player experience. And if you don't improve new player experience the elite will be forced to okay each other anyways because there will be no one left.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 822	Posted - 2014.03.15 22:00:00 - [42] - Quote Protobear checking in! I did that a few months ago -- started an alt from scratch. His KDR is about 2.8 -- no pics, you'll have to take my at my word. Oddly enough, my alt's KDR is higher than my main.
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 2025	Posted - 2014.03.15 22:01:00 - [43] - Quote Cotsy wrote: Those with high SP should be kept away from those with lower SP. This can be done by Scotty - who can divide up players based on skill (WP averages, total SP) and if you're in a squad it takes the 3 best scores. It can be divided into tiers, 1 of 5 tiers with top tier being at 24m SP and lowest tier beginning after battle academy at 3m SP. Have the good players play against the good players, have the elite square off against the elite. This not only ensures gameplay balanced, but it also improves new player experience. And if you don't improve new player experience the elite will be forced to okay each other anyways because there will be no one left. I thought it was already divided by tears also quit acticng like protos are unkillable. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 233	Posted - 2014.03.15 22:06:00 - [44] - Quote i do this every time i play dust it's called blueprints hackable ladders ftw
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2519	Posted - 2014.03.15 22:06:00 - [45] - Quote The NPE is lacking the introduction of chat channels and such. I would be a crap player without the heavies and assaults that I rep to get the insane amounts of points that I can. A new player has all the freedom of being able to squad up with good players just as a vet, but the new players is never told about these chat channels, or the Dust community, or the fact that most players strategize over comms and such. However I did just do this recently and skilled into the HMG. Got about 1-2 proto kills with at least 40 other standard ones. Yeah I died a lot but that's kinda expected when you have no other skills anywhere else. I also started a new character as a logi, consistent 1-2k wp every match with a basic rep tool, uplinks and a combat rifle for defense. It was suprising how many kills I got with just a standard CR, and yeah I even killed a few prototype suits simply because I used cover and took them down slowly from a distance. However as a new player your goal isn't to fight protos. You are simply part of the team and it's up to you to see if you can help at all that match or not. The best way to win is by overwhelming your opponent, and even better if you can squad up with good players like us to help make sure you don't get brutally killed Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1559	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:09:00 - [46] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: The real protobears won't listen because they all speak Chinese and are amassing funds for one thing GÇö an open market and the ability to trade resl money for fake. They are called Chinese isk farmers and EVE is riddled with them. How many people on this forum are aware of a little thing in EVE called bot mining? A person will box several accounts or use a bot program to control several mining ships in high sec and just send them back and forth auto mining to sell for isk. It is coming ppl. Bots. If we don't already have them, we will. That is probably the main reason CCP wanted to put this game on the PS3. folks that do that, need to get a life. They are getting a lifeGÇª one isk for dollar at a time. Probably the only way people in some countries can make money to feed a family. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:14:00 - [47] - Quote You say that as if it can't be done. You say post stats like the those who can't run proto have extremely good stats. In effect, you wouldn't get the results you want because those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Of course its a possibility that their stats won't be great as they like but it still will be better than those who can't run the protos. So truly what will this show? Will it cause the protos to have an epiphany? No. It will just make them more lethal since they've been playing in weak MLT suits. You do know some folks do run MLT fits or have alt characters where they don't level them up just so they can train in weak MLT fits to better their game in higher tiered suits, right? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5751	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:43:00 - [48] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Popcorn anyone? Your going to become obese if you keep eating that much popcorn. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5751	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:44:00 - [49] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: I worked hard for my proto gear and im going to use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it and use it untill im done with this game And that has relevance to the OP how exactly? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5752	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:49:00 - [50] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: Wow, another QQ thread. I can kill ANY proto bear with a 300hp suit and a milita Forge. How to kill a proto at any level...... Minimal skills required 1. Smash him with a milita ship 2. Get above him and drop an RE on his head 3. If you can't shoot him, run him over 4. Shoot him in the face point blank with a shotty. 5. Send hate mail to distract him, then sneak up behind him with a nova knife 6. Call in a free lav to land on his head 7. Push him into acid pit 8. Pay a red a large ammount of isk to drive/fly him to redzone. 9. Plant re's on a dropship for him to steal (priceless) 10. #10 ways to kill a proto.........Drum roll........... out smart him!!! Brain beats bronze every time. Ironically all 9 of those reasons only work on pubstars. Who's QQing? I'm simply running an experiment to see whether or not they could do it under the same terms and conditions as a new player. But since "outsmart him" is on the table, I assume you'd be willing to do so by taking the challenge? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:51:00 - [51] - Quote You're You're YOU'RE
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5752	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:56:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: You say that as if it can't be done. You say post stats like the those who can't run proto have extremely good stats. In effect, you wouldn't get the results you want because those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Of course its a possibility that their stats won't be great as they like but it still will be better than those who can't run the protos. So truly what will this show? Will it cause the protos to have an epiphany? No. It will just make them more lethal since they've been playing in weak MLT suits. You do know some folks do run MLT fits or have alt characters where they don't level them up just so they can train in weak MLT fits to better their game in higher tiered suits, right? There is no "desired" result here. This is not to induce sympathy. It's simply to prove whether or not they can consistently do well against other players in PRO gear while under the conditions of a new player, as they constantly claim. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7563	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:59:00 - [53] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:08:00 - [54] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here. And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in. And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:11:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You say that as if it can't be done. You say post stats like the those who can't run proto have extremely good stats. In effect, you wouldn't get the results you want because those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Of course its a possibility that their stats won't be great as they like but it still will be better than those who can't run the protos. So truly what will this show? Will it cause the protos to have an epiphany? No. It will just make them more lethal since they've been playing in weak MLT suits. You do know some folks do run MLT fits or have alt characters where they don't level them up just so they can train in weak MLT fits to better their game in higher tiered suits, right? There is no "desired" result here. This is not to induce sympathy. It's simply to prove whether or not they can consistently do well against other players in PRO gear while under the conditions of a new player, as they constantly claim. Come on Atiim. They have more experience than new players, so of course their stats are going to look better than the newer players. They just don't delete all the knowledge they have obtained in their playtime. So that's already an advantage over the new player. EDIT: Here's a post that wasn't responded to that expresses what I mean by having a knowledge base that always put them ahead of the newer players Leadfoot10 wrote: Protobear checking in! I did that a few months ago -- started an alt from scratch. His KDR is about 2.8 -- no pics, you'll have to take my at my word. Oddly enough, my alt's KDR is higher than my main. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
norttheantiv The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 96	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:14:00 - [56] - Quote So the moral of the story is that everyone who is better on paper is only using better gear which you cannot afford? The fit I run in pubs when playing solo Dragonfly ass Rail Adv shield Adv dmg mod 2 basic plates About 12k I know passive makes a difference, but not to the level that people think. Blame CCP for giving high sp players nowhere to go, and blame your team mates for seeing clan tags and running to the red line. People will have to admit eventually that they are bad. The law of averages says that at half are. The NPE is terrible, but so is the risk adverse play style common to so many. Winner EU Squad Cup Go Go Power Rangers!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7563	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:14:00 - [57] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here. And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in. And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next? Making a point would be "Try it and realize that you can't do it." As much as it sounds like there is a desired result, all he's simply asking is that people stand by their words. That in itself is not necessarily trying to make a point. Also just because you and a few others may use MLT fits from time to time doesn't mean all proto stompers do. And lastly if the challenge is accepted and completed, completed simply meaning they attempted (there is no win or lose here, no outcome must be achieved to complete said challenge except actually trying to use MLT against proto), then that is that. If they did well against other protos then good for them and if not well then that's that. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1430	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:18:00 - [58] - Quote I decline your challenge, why: I've already done my time getting my ass kicked just like every other game that requires you to learn before being good at it, if i ever tell someone to htfu regarding being stomped its because of this reason, and I still think it has far more to do with squads, squad sizes and matchmaker than the gear ppl run.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:28:00 - [59] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here. And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in. And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next? Making a point would be "Try it and realize that you can't do it." As much as it sounds like there is a desired result, all he's simply asking is that people stand by their words. That in itself is not necessarily trying to make a point. Also just because you and a few others may use MLT fits from time to time doesn't mean all proto stompers do. And lastly if the challenge is accepted and completed, completed simply meaning they attempted (there is no win or lose here, no outcome must be achieved to complete said challenge except actually trying to use MLT against proto), then that is that. If they did well against other protos then good for them and if not well then that's that. LOL but that's one point Aero. The one I'm talking about consist of Atiim feeling that a player in a MLT fit cannot beat a person in prototype fit as they claim and to prove so,, he wants you to experience this for yourself and post the results. That's the point I'm talking about. It's the force behind the idea. But we excluded several factors here. One, we don't have a controlled environment to test this in. Because not all prototype suits are officially prototype suits. There are some out there that skilled into prototype suits without even upping their core skills. Two, newer players are absolutely clueless on how to fight here in New Eden. Like Leadfoot10 has pointed out with his post, seasoned players have a knowledge base that newer players do not. For example. A seasoned player knows when he starts taking damage to move into cover. In fact, he's probably firing from behind cover to lessen his hitbox to receive less damage. A newer player is running and gunning. They are not patient. They are not shooting from cover. They are shooting at any mercenary they see, not considering if they should or should not fire. Cause, hell, shooting a merc sometimes just lets them know you're a free kill in X direction from their location. And when the challenge is completed, it's not like it would be that's that. The challenge is made with the expectation for the mercenary to fail. Here Leadfoot made a post acknowledging that he has done this and not one response has been made towards him. But if it was some other guy who failed at it, of course his post would be responded to. That's what I'm seeing. If there is no point, how come Lead wasn't responded to? I'm just offering the other side of the coin here. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1879	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:32:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: I see how you like to tell the new players to "HTFU" and adapt your tactics because it's supposedly easy to kill you, so why not prove it? My challenge, is to run a completely new character for the period of 1 month, and then post your stats. Since it's relatively easy to kill "Protobears" with teamwork, this should be a cakewalk. However to simulate the NPE, you are not allowed to transfer ISK into the new character, nor are you allowed to run with a squad of players wearing PRO gear themselves, and you are not allowed to use Assault Dropships or HAVs. If your up for it, then why not eh? -HAND Already do this three times a week to improve squad coordination and improve personal abilities: we all have an alt with 0 SP spent and only use starter fits. Killing protos, yep it's possible on certain maps, it depends on what they use actually. All the Logis are pretty hard to kili, the others are manageable. All except any heavy. You cannot kill an heavy 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 even if he's 30 mt away. You want to know my stats, it really depends on the match, but usually around 20-15 >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"



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