DUST Search - A Challange To The "Protobears"

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch.

Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one.

But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible.

LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here.

And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in.

And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next?

Making a point would be "Try it and realize that you can't do it." As much as it sounds like there is a desired result, all he's simply asking is that people stand by their words. That in itself is not necessarily trying to make a point.

Also just because you and a few others may use MLT fits from time to time doesn't mean all proto stompers do.

And lastly if the challenge is accepted and completed, completed simply meaning they attempted (there is no win or lose here, no outcome must be achieved to complete said challenge except actually trying to use MLT against proto), then that is that. If they did well against other protos then good for them and if not well then that's that.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.15 23:14:00 - [1] - Quote You say that as if it can't be done. You say post stats like the those who can't run proto have extremely good stats. In effect, you wouldn't get the results you want because those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Of course its a possibility that their stats won't be great as they like but it still will be better than those who can't run the protos. So truly what will this show? Will it cause the protos to have an epiphany? No. It will just make them more lethal since they've been playing in weak MLT suits. You do know some folks do run MLT fits or have alt characters where they don't level them up just so they can train in weak MLT fits to better their game in higher tiered suits, right? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here. And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in. And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:11:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You say that as if it can't be done. You say post stats like the those who can't run proto have extremely good stats. In effect, you wouldn't get the results you want because those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Of course its a possibility that their stats won't be great as they like but it still will be better than those who can't run the protos. So truly what will this show? Will it cause the protos to have an epiphany? No. It will just make them more lethal since they've been playing in weak MLT suits. You do know some folks do run MLT fits or have alt characters where they don't level them up just so they can train in weak MLT fits to better their game in higher tiered suits, right? There is no "desired" result here. This is not to induce sympathy. It's simply to prove whether or not they can consistently do well against other players in PRO gear while under the conditions of a new player, as they constantly claim. Come on Atiim. They have more experience than new players, so of course their stats are going to look better than the newer players. They just don't delete all the knowledge they have obtained in their playtime. So that's already an advantage over the new player. EDIT: Here's a post that wasn't responded to that expresses what I mean by having a knowledge base that always put them ahead of the newer players Leadfoot10 wrote: Protobear checking in! I did that a few months ago -- started an alt from scratch. His KDR is about 2.8 -- no pics, you'll have to take my at my word. Oddly enough, my alt's KDR is higher than my main. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3486	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:28:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: those who run protobear don't often rely on it as a crutch. Oh really? There are quite a few people I have never seen outside of a proto suit along side a squad of other proto suits. It's not like it requires a certain level of skill to use a prototype suit, all you have to do is wait long enough and you can use one. But I digress, this is not the point Atiim is trying to make. Actually he's not really trying to make any point, just seeing if any proto users who claim its not hard for new players to kill them are willing to stand by those words and attempt it from as close to a new player perspective as possible. LOL so he's looking to make a point. That's the point of the experiment, to see if folks can back their claims. How can one say he's not making a point? Nothing against Atiim, but I'm calling it how I see it. That doesn't mean I'm holding a negative opinion but lets just be honest here. And yes, proto users I have fought against and alongside has told me before that they run MLT fits to train in. I, myself, have prototypes that I use on occasion and I also have an alt that hasn't been skilled yet that I use to train in. And if this challenge is accepted and completed, what would be said next? Making a point would be "Try it and realize that you can't do it." As much as it sounds like there is a desired result, all he's simply asking is that people stand by their words. That in itself is not necessarily trying to make a point. Also just because you and a few others may use MLT fits from time to time doesn't mean all proto stompers do. And lastly if the challenge is accepted and completed, completed simply meaning they attempted (there is no win or lose here, no outcome must be achieved to complete said challenge except actually trying to use MLT against proto), then that is that. If they did well against other protos then good for them and if not well then that's that. LOL but that's one point Aero. The one I'm talking about consist of Atiim feeling that a player in a MLT fit cannot beat a person in prototype fit as they claim and to prove so,, he wants you to experience this for yourself and post the results. That's the point I'm talking about. It's the force behind the idea. But we excluded several factors here. One, we don't have a controlled environment to test this in. Because not all prototype suits are officially prototype suits. There are some out there that skilled into prototype suits without even upping their core skills. Two, newer players are absolutely clueless on how to fight here in New Eden. Like Leadfoot10 has pointed out with his post, seasoned players have a knowledge base that newer players do not. For example. A seasoned player knows when he starts taking damage to move into cover. In fact, he's probably firing from behind cover to lessen his hitbox to receive less damage. A newer player is running and gunning. They are not patient. They are not shooting from cover. They are shooting at any mercenary they see, not considering if they should or should not fire. Cause, hell, shooting a merc sometimes just lets them know you're a free kill in X direction from their location. And when the challenge is completed, it's not like it would be that's that. The challenge is made with the expectation for the mercenary to fail. Here Leadfoot made a post acknowledging that he has done this and not one response has been made towards him. But if it was some other guy who failed at it, of course his post would be responded to. That's what I'm seeing. If there is no point, how come Lead wasn't responded to? I'm just offering the other side of the coin here. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?