Man ,look at GTA throwing around that smack talk.... That's all.

we DID help you team up on RA... FA and NF were working on this and succeeding

here's the kicker... all that time, NF is taking **** from tso on the eve side. As ive said before there were communication snafus from both sides, multiple times, things that also noted here were hashed out and we all moved on.

Now I hear of crying over the isk... also laughable. sure the amount is laughable compared to eve isk.

But please, just for a second, look at it from our viewpoint. This is not a difficult thing to understand. Fiddle actually covered most bases.

We hire Tso's to provide eve support. no politics no nothing. Price is negotiated and we all go to work. Happy days.

some snags slow things, mostly communication issues, times, locations, not sent in a timely manner. Talks are made, tempers calmed, life back to normal.

Next, NF attacks a new tso member, whilst locking is prevalent across the board. Yes causes an issue (although seriously in all honesty.. I sent the attack, and only saw an 'online' district and jumped at it. nothing more).

so we have a Pow-Wow cooler heads (after SoTa is bound and gagged) prevail and life once again goes on, with the exception of the super secret handshake backroom under the table deal between FA and NF finally comes to light....

now tso expects this NAP to apply to all of them. Ok fine whatever no problem, but NF still pays Tso for support... so NF cant accept contracts against Tso, AND have to pay Tso for continued support... yea this is about the part of the story where you can start to see why we now are where we are..

Anyhoo, yes NF has and remains in talks with many groups in New Eden. We are mercenaries and are always looking ahead and not just stuck spinning wheels in the present.

NF was well aware of a certain 'contract' offered to members of Tso for the eradication of AE (as well as a separate contract for successful NS removal).

We made no mention of it, but after a couple weeks, it became quite apparent that NF was doing more than their fair share of working toward this contract that they knew nothing about (officially) and most certainly were not offered the added incentive (even a % of the contract) of being privy to said contract.

nothing was mentioned, and things continued, then some wise soul from the AE branch of RA reached out to NF (or was it the other way around? tbh I don't even know nor do I care) to open discussions of hiring the neutral NF who plays for who pays....(trademark pending)

Now, what you all DONT know... this 'deal' was struck prior to last night, and was agreed that it would NOT go in effect until Sunday, as we had paid for our Eve support through then.

Of course some other adolescent wannabe teen lookalike that had an estrogen-filled moment started flappin her gums (the wrong ones) about some of the details, and undoubtedly some people in Tso got wind of it (perhaps from the right gums?!?) and conveniently no-showed a contract on our behalf, vs AE. hanging us out to dry.

Message was delivered... and if this was not the intention, then sorry, but we got the message loud and clear.

Next night, we are STILL going after AE...even AFTER we have struck a deal with them. Deal not in effect yet, and we're still at each others throats. Tso shows up this time as contracted, and 2 more intense matches occur.

then of course the cat gets out of the bag last night because.. o yea, we got contracted to play for AE.

isk talks. our 'deal' isn't even in effect yet, and we have already been paid more and treated better in literally 1 night than our entire time working with tso.

DISCLAIMER: Ken and Himiko are absolute monsters and great people to work with. To be quite honest I am not speaking about Anything dust side in specific, as our working relationship with FA and our success combined in working AE is likely what led to this. Just too bad some people don't stay ahead of the game.

Here and now is for suckers. You wanna know whats gonna happen in 2 weeks, then you might be able to get on MY level.
That's not arrogance.. that's how you play the real game in new eden.

So Ivar whateverdafuqyournameis. GG to you. we appreciate the support we paid for from Tso. I enjoyed working with you all, as my pilots gave me OBs which means you did your job.

We broke no agreement. We paid in full and voided the contract. I don't know the details as I wasn't there, but we can both go our separate ways and remain professionals. Both sides have something to learn from the experience, and hopefully both sides take something positive from it.

have a nice day

Voodoo (Ivar) has been very enthusiastic about blowing up NF's ships in space and has been adamant about resetting them for the better part of a month now. I think he's just very happy that the day has come.

Backroom deals are part of EVE and I never expected the NAP to last, but I think Voodoo feels vindicated for all the hate he's had towards NF. I'm altogether indifferent, just means there's going to be a couple more destroyers to shoot in MH.

Edit: I shouldn't single Voodoo out, I think myself and c00kie were the only two trying to keep my entire fleet from following the mantra "shoot blues tell [c00kie]." It's just that Voodoo is one of the rare breed that is heavily invested in EVE and actually cares about Dust so he decided to post here.

You are a Pubbie fix your sig

Just an FYI....most contracts, both parties have to be informed of the end. It cannot be a unilateral decision. We were informed by hostile action.

Why, thank you all every so much for you (highly edited) plans for the future.


Just an FYI....most contracts, both parties have to be informed of the end. It cannot be a unilateral decision. We were informed by hostile action.

Make your own judgments on that.

call it what you may.

Wait someone stole ISK? That's thinking with your noggin (is that how you spell it? Noggen, nogging, noggan....?)

Wait someone stole ISK? That's thinking with your noggin (is that how you spell it? Noggen, nogging, noggan....?)

Tso is still top dogs, they're still going to **** up your EvE shyt, and they're still cool as people.

Shyt happens, move on. We're enemies for now - friends in the future. That's the way of this game.

Tso is the best ******* alliance in MH and it's going to take a massive chunk of RA's wallet and hiring out the best ringers in this game to keep up with you all.

Seriously, guys, feel honored. You've done work that's pushed the progression of the Dust/EvE link. When people look back at the beginning connection of Dust and EvE Tso will be remembered as pioneers who paved the way for future talks. The first attempted EvE merc group.

are you selling GTA merch, too? XD

are you selling GTA merch, too? XD

This is easily available at your local cat Chinese delivery service! Order the number 6!

Tso is still top dogs, they're still going to **** up your EvE shyt, and they're still cool as people.

Shyt happens, move on. We're enemies for now - friends in the future. That's the way of this game.

Tso is the best ******* alliance in MH and it's going to take a massive chunk of RA's wallet and hiring out the best ringers in this game to keep up with you all.

Seriously, guys, feel honored. You've done work that's pushed the progression of the Dust/EvE link. When people look back at the beginning connection of Dust and EvE Tso will be remembered as pioneers who paved the way for future talks. The first attempted EvE merc group.

The first attempted EvE merc group.

But to NF - glad everything has been a smooth sailing so far on both ends, much fun will be had!

Ruining PC by holding 50%+ of Molden Heath and farming billions of ISK = fun?

LOL, I wonder why everyone doesn't hate you.

Ruining PC by holding 50%+ of Molden Heath and farming billions of ISK = fun?

LOL, I wonder why everyone doesn't hate you.

Not quite accurate. We're not mercs. We were doing contracts for you cause we were bored. Then we got a whole bunch of new friends, but kept doing contracts with you since Kane begged, even though you were cutting into time with our bros.

Don't have to worry bout that no more

I'm a **** disturber, and this thread is my great big I TOLD YOU SO