DUST Search - 1.8 Scanning Reference List

Koric McLangous wrote:

I think you should split the chart so you can see where you are (either scanning or avoiding) and then look at the other side to see what you are up against.

...................Dropsuit....................................Profile ...................................Scanner
(S) Gal Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 11.0
(S) Gal Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 11.9
(S) Gal Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 13.9
(S) Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 14.7
------------------------------------------------------14.9 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------15.0 Gal Logi PRO Focused Scanner
------------------------------------------------------15.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec
(S) Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 15.9
(S) Gal Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 17.7
------------------------------------------------------17.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec
(S) Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 18.5
------------------------------------------------------19.9 (S) Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------20.0 PRO Focused Scanner
------------------------------------------------------21.0 Gal Logi PRO Active Scanner
------------------------------------------------------21.1 (S) Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------21.6 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec
(S) Medium Suit 3x PRO Damp 22.6
(S) Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 23.6
(S) Gal Scout Profile 23.6
------------------------------------------------------23.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec
(S) Medium Suit 2x PRO Damp 26.4
------------------------------------------------------26.8 (S) Logistics Precision 2x PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------27.0 Gal Logi ADV Active Scanner
------------------------------------------------------27.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision
------------------------------------------------------28.0 PRO Active Scanner
------------------------------------------------------28.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------29.7 (S) Assault Precision 2x PRO Prec
(S) Scout Profile 31.5
------------------------------------------------------32.4 (S) Logistics Precision 1x PRO Prec
(S) Medium Suit 1x PRO Damp 33.8
------------------------------------------------------34.5 Gal Logi STD Active Scanner
------------------------------------------------------35.0 Vehicle Scanner
(U) Scout Profile 35.0
------------------------------------------------------36.0 ADV Active Scanner
(S) Medium Suit 1x ADV Damp 36.0
------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Assault Precision 1x PRO Prec
------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision
------------------------------------------------------38.3 (S) Logistics Precision 1x ADV Prec
------------------------------------------------------40.0 (U) Scout Suit Precision
------------------------------------------------------40.5 (S) Logistics Precision
(S) Medium Suit Profile 45.0
------------------------------------------------------45.0 (U) Logistics Precision
------------------------------------------------------45.0 (S) Assault Precision
------------------------------------------------------46.0 STD Active Scanner
------------------------------------------------------49.5 (S) Heavy Suit Precision
(U) Medium Suit Profile50.0
------------------------------------------------------50.0 Vehicle Precision
------------------------------------------------------50.0 (U) Assault Precision
(S) Heavy Suit Profile54.0
------------------------------------------------------55.0 (U) Heavy Suit Precision
(U) Heavy Suit Profile60.0
Vehicle Profile 150.0

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Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2205	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote Tactical awareness in the form of scanning info will be EXTREMELY important in 1.8. Below is an ordered list of scan profiles and precisions of various dropsuit fits and scanners. Instructions: Start at the top of the list to see which suit or scanner you are trying to use to detect targets. Everything below your item you will be able to see. Everything above it you will be blind to. (S) means you have lvl 5 in relevant skills, (U) means you are unskilled in relevant skills. I will eventually have a link to this and further range based info. Google Docs Table Scan Source/Dropsuit Profile (S) Gal Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp11.0 (S) Gal Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp11.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp13.9 (S) Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp14.7 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec14.9 Gal Logi PRO Focused Scanner15.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec15.8 (S) Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp15.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp17.7 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec17.8 (S) Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp18.5 (S) Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec19.9 PRO Focused Scanner20.0 Gal Logi PRO Active Scanner21.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec21.1 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec21.6 (S) Medium Suit 3x PRO Damp22.6 (S) Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp23.6 (S) Gal Scout Profile23.6 (S) Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec23.8 (S) Medium Suit 2x PRO Damp26.4 (S) Logistics Precision 2x PRO Prec26.8 Gal Logi ADV Active Scanner27.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision27.0 PRO Active Scanner28.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec28.8 (S) Assault Precision 2x PRO Prec29.7 (S) Scout Profile31.5 (S) Logistics Precision 1x PRO Prec32.4 (S) Medium Suit 1x PRO Damp33.8 Gal Logi STD Active Scanner34.5 Vehicle Scanner35.0 (U) Scout Profile35.0 ADV Active Scanner36.0 (S) Medium Suit 1x ADV Damp36.0 (S) Assault Precision 1x PRO Prec36.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision36.0 (S) Logistics Precision 1x ADV Prec38.3 (U) Scout Suit Precision40.0 (S) Logistics Precision40.5 (S) Medium Suit Profile45.0 (U) Logistics Precision45.0 (S) Assault Precision45.0 STD Active Scanner46.0 (S) Heavy Suit Precision49.5 (U) Medium Suit Profile50.0 Vehicle Precision50.0 (U) Assault Precision50.0 (S) Heavy Suit Profile54.0 (U) Heavy Suit Precision55.0 (U) Heavy Suit Profile60.0
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 294	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:41:00 - [2] - Quote +1, very helpful. Nice work! Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 813	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:48:00 - [3] - Quote Caldari scout with 4 PRO precision mods won't be able to scan a Gallente Scout with 2 PRO Damps and more useful low-slot mods to choose from? I wonder if they are going to change the stats of these modules too?
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San Renegade Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.14 11:36:00 - [4] - Quote +1 good job
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2212	Posted - 2014.03.14 11:46:00 - [5] - Quote SAIRAX SIS wrote: +1 good job Please don't tell NS about this.
Geo MERCEDES Terrestrial Suppression Force Lokun Listamenn 15	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote This list is fantastic. +1 Good work. Edit: It's nice you used underlines to separate the hiding suits from the seeking suits.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1051	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:55:00 - [7] - Quote Just now figured out how to read this list. Great info. I will add that dampening/precision numbers seem to round to the nearest whole number, so if they round to the same number, precision wins and you are scanned or successfully scan your target.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2232	Posted - 2014.03.16 04:32:00 - [8] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Just now figured out how to read this list. Great info. I will add that dampening/precision numbers seem to round to the nearest whole number, so if they round to the same number, precision wins and you are scanned or successfully scan your target. That's interesting info if its true. Because it would actually mean that the gal logi PRO scanner could see a 4x damp scout among other things.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1052	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:16:00 - [9] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Just now figured out how to read this list. Great info. I will add that dampening/precision numbers seem to round to the nearest whole number, so if they round to the same number, precision wins and you are scanned or successfully scan your target. That's interesting info if its true. Because it would actually mean that the gal logi PRO scanner could see a 4x damp scout among other things. In 1.7, having a scan profile of 27.58 dB allows you to be scanned by proto scanners. I've also been able to detect single complex dampened mediums (33.75dB) despite my precision being higher (34.43 dB). I can only assume that the round rules will hold true in 1.8. Still, I can't foresee a scenario where the focused scanner becomes problematic. It's rare to ever see one in 1.7 (though I think Samuel Carp uses one to troll scouts) and it's a crappy scanner even in 1.7 due to its long cooldown and short light up time. It'll be even worse in 1.8 when spin scans are removed.
Cassonetto Sovrano Siberian Rodents 7	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:10:00 - [10] - Quote Ok, question time. How exactly does the Margin of Error calculate? If I try to scan a proto gallente scout using dampeners with my crappy standard active scanner, should I get the "Some Margin of Error" message? Is it a simple over/under deal (rounded whole numbers, apparently) or is it possible to be so well damped that a low level scanner would completely miss the mark and return "No Margin of Error?" I swear I've gotten "no margin of error" only to have a scout come around a corner and blast me.

Koric McLangous The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:45:00 - [11] - Quote I think you should split the chart so you can see where you are (either scanning or avoiding) and then look at the other side to see what you are up against. Scan Source/Dropsuit Profile (S) Gal Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 11.0 (S) Gal Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 11.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 13.9 (S) Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 14.7 - 14.9 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec - 15.0 Gal Logi PRO Focused Scanner - 15.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 15.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 17.7 - 17.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 18.5 - 19.9 (S) Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec - 20.0 PRO Focused Scanner - 21.0 Gal Logi PRO Active Scanner - 21.1 (S) Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec - 21.6 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 3x PRO Damp 22.6 (S) Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 23.6 (S) Gal Scout Profile 23.6 - 23.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 2x PRO Damp 26.4 - 26.8 (S) Logistics Precision 2x PRO Prec - 27.0 Gal Logi ADV Active Scanner - 27.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision - 28.0 PRO Active Scanner - 28.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec - 29.7 (S) Assault Precision 2x PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 31.5 - 32.4 (S) Logistics Precision 1x PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 1x PRO Damp 33.8 - 34.5 Gal Logi STD Active Scanner - 35.0 Vehicle Scanner (U) Scout Profile 35.0 - 36.0 ADV Active Scanner (S) Medium Suit 1x ADV Damp 36.0 - 36.0 (S) Assault Precision 1x PRO Prec - 36.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision - 38.3 (S) Logistics Precision 1x ADV Prec - 40.0 (U) Scout Suit Precision - 40.5 (S) Logistics Precision (S) Medium Suit Profile 45.0 - 45.0 (U) Logistics Precision - 45.0 (S) Assault Precision - 46.0 STD Active Scanner - 49.5 (S) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Medium Suit Profile50.0 - 50.0 Vehicle Precision - 50.0 (U) Assault Precision (S) Heavy Suit Profile54.0 - 55.0 (U) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Heavy Suit Profile60.0 Vehicle Profile 150.0
Koric McLangous The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:52:00 - [12] - Quote Koric McLangous wrote: I think you should split the chart so you can see where you are (either scanning or avoiding) and then look at the other side to see what you are up against. ...................Dropsuit....................................Profile ...................................Scanner (S) Gal Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 11.0 (S) Gal Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 11.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 13.9 (S) Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 14.7 ------------------------------------------------------14.9 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------15.0 Gal Logi PRO Focused Scanner ------------------------------------------------------15.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 15.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 17.7 ------------------------------------------------------17.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 18.5 ------------------------------------------------------19.9 (S) Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------20.0 PRO Focused Scanner ------------------------------------------------------21.0 Gal Logi PRO Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------21.1 (S) Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------21.6 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 3x PRO Damp 22.6 (S) Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 23.6 (S) Gal Scout Profile 23.6 ------------------------------------------------------23.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 2x PRO Damp 26.4 ------------------------------------------------------26.8 (S) Logistics Precision 2x PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------27.0 Gal Logi ADV Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------27.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------28.0 PRO Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------28.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------29.7 (S) Assault Precision 2x PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 31.5 ------------------------------------------------------32.4 (S) Logistics Precision 1x PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 1x PRO Damp 33.8 ------------------------------------------------------34.5 Gal Logi STD Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------35.0 Vehicle Scanner (U) Scout Profile 35.0 ------------------------------------------------------36.0 ADV Active Scanner (S) Medium Suit 1x ADV Damp 36.0 ------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Assault Precision 1x PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------38.3 (S) Logistics Precision 1x ADV Prec ------------------------------------------------------40.0 (U) Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------40.5 (S) Logistics Precision (S) Medium Suit Profile 45.0 ------------------------------------------------------45.0 (U) Logistics Precision ------------------------------------------------------45.0 (S) Assault Precision ------------------------------------------------------46.0 STD Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------49.5 (S) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Medium Suit Profile50.0 ------------------------------------------------------50.0 Vehicle Precision ------------------------------------------------------50.0 (U) Assault Precision (S) Heavy Suit Profile54.0 ------------------------------------------------------55.0 (U) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Heavy Suit Profile60.0 Vehicle Profile 150.0
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2236	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:04:00 - [13] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Just now figured out how to read this list. Great info. I will add that dampening/precision numbers seem to round to the nearest whole number, so if they round to the same number, precision wins and you are scanned or successfully scan your target. That's interesting info if its true. Because it would actually mean that the gal logi PRO scanner could see a 4x damp scout among other things. In 1.7, having a scan profile of 27.58 dB allows you to be scanned by proto scanners. I've also been able to detect single complex dampened mediums (33.75dB) despite my precision being higher (34.43 dB). I can only assume that the round rules will hold true in 1.8. Still, I can't foresee a scenario where the focused scanner becomes problematic. It's rare to ever see one in 1.7 (though I think Samuel Carp uses one to troll scouts) and it's a crappy scanner even in 1.7 due to its long cooldown and short light up time. It'll be even worse in 1.8 when spin scans are removed. I'm anticipating the workaround for spin scans will be scan stacking. Just fit multiple scans on logis.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2236	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:06:00 - [14] - Quote Koric McLangous wrote: I would recommend doing something like this with the cloaking fields but only use a place holder as CD Cloak/Dampener and AP for Active/Passive cause this will get out of hand. oh and +1 I'm not going to do any extra to include cloaking. Just move yourself up to your specific suit with 1 extra damp and it's the same dB. I didn't put medium or heavy suits with cloak, but again it's the same as having a damp or with cloak and damp it's the same as 2 damps.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2236	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:08:00 - [15] - Quote Koric McLangous wrote: I think you should split the chart so you can see where you are (either scanning or avoiding) and then look at the other side to see what you are up against. ...................Dropsuit Profile Scanner (S) Gal Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 11.0 (S) Gal Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 11.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 13.9 (S) Scout Profile 4x PRO Damp 14.7 ------------------------------------------------------14.9 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------15.0 Gal Logi PRO Focused Scanner ------------------------------------------------------15.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 3x PRO Damp 15.9 (S) Gal Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 17.7 ------------------------------------------------------17.8 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 2x PRO Damp 18.5 ------------------------------------------------------19.9 (S) Scout Suit Precision x4 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------20.0 PRO Focused Scanner ------------------------------------------------------21.0 Gal Logi PRO Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------21.1 (S) Scout Suit Precision x3 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------21.6 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 3x PRO Damp 22.6 (S) Scout Profile 1x PRO Damp 23.6 (S) Gal Scout Profile 23.6 ------------------------------------------------------23.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x2 PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 2x PRO Damp 26.4 ------------------------------------------------------26.8 (S) Logistics Precision 2x PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------27.0 Gal Logi ADV Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------27.0 (S) Cal Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------28.0 PRO Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------28.8 (S) Scout Suit Precision x1 PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------29.7 (S) Assault Precision 2x PRO Prec (S) Scout Profile 31.5 ------------------------------------------------------32.4 (S) Logistics Precision 1x PRO Prec (S) Medium Suit 1x PRO Damp 33.8 ------------------------------------------------------34.5 Gal Logi STD Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------35.0 Vehicle Scanner (U) Scout Profile 35.0 ------------------------------------------------------36.0 ADV Active Scanner (S) Medium Suit 1x ADV Damp 36.0 ------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Assault Precision 1x PRO Prec ------------------------------------------------------36.0 (S) Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------38.3 (S) Logistics Precision 1x ADV Prec ------------------------------------------------------40.0 (U) Scout Suit Precision ------------------------------------------------------40.5 (S) Logistics Precision (S) Medium Suit Profile 45.0 ------------------------------------------------------45.0 (U) Logistics Precision ------------------------------------------------------45.0 (S) Assault Precision ------------------------------------------------------46.0 STD Active Scanner ------------------------------------------------------49.5 (S) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Medium Suit Profile50.0 ------------------------------------------------------50.0 Vehicle Precision ------------------------------------------------------50.0 (U) Assault Precision (S) Heavy Suit Profile54.0 ------------------------------------------------------55.0 (U) Heavy Suit Precision (U) Heavy Suit Profile60.0 Vehicle Profile 150.0 Yeah I didn't want to spend more time. That's what the point of the underlines were.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1080	Posted - 2014.03.17 15:03:00 - [16] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: I'm anticipating the workaround for spin scans will be scan stacking. Just fit multiple scans on logis. While I'm sure that we'll see an increase in the numbers of players stacking scanners, they still won't be nearly as effective as the spin scans. If you think about it, in 1.7 one logi with a single scanner can spin scan 360* every 15 seconds or so, and their light up data will be constant. In 1.8, to cover the same area you'd need six players with two scanners each, coordinating their scans in both direction and timing, to perfection. So in 1.8, a player with a single scanner might be 1/12th as effective as that same player in 1.7. That means to get the most out of scanning, you'd better know that there are players in your scanning cone that are going to get lit up, before you light them up. Misfire scans will be very debilitating.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2238	Posted - 2014.03.17 16:32:00 - [17] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: I'm anticipating the workaround for spin scans will be scan stacking. Just fit multiple scans on logis. While I'm sure that we'll see an increase in the numbers of players stacking scanners, they still won't be nearly as effective as the spin scans. If you think about it, in 1.7 one logi with a single scanner can spin scan 360* every 15 seconds or so, and their light up data will be constant. In 1.8, to cover the same area you'd need six players with two scanners each, coordinating their scans in both direction and timing, to perfection. So in 1.8, a player with a single scanner might be 1/12th as effective as that same player in 1.7. That means to get the most out of scanning, you'd better know that there are players in your scanning cone that are going to get lit up, before you light them up. Misfire scans will be very debilitating. Kinda but that assumes you are always under attack from all directions. People will just figure out where to scan camp and be fairly safe. If nobody can get behind where you are to effectively attack you can cut Dow what needs to be scanned by 50-75%
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2795	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:44:00 - [18] - Quote Excellent formatting to make a very complex set of data easy to read. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 229	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:13:00 - [19] - Quote So with 2 Complex Dampners, NOTHING can see the Gallente Scout? ***** please tell me CCp plans to add a counter to that. At least buff the Caldari Scout if that's the case.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2242	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:09:00 - [20] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: So with 2 Complex Dampners, NOTHING can see the Gallente Scout? ***** please tell me CCp plans to add a counter to that. At least buff the Caldari Scout if that's the case. with 2 complex damps the gal scout will probably be close to OHKillable with most grenades. People are really overestimating the significance of being scan proof IMO.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2253	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:10:00 - [21] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Medical Crash wrote: So with 2 Complex Dampners, NOTHING can see the Gallente Scout? ***** please tell me CCp plans to add a counter to that. At least buff the Caldari Scout if that's the case. with 2 complex damps the gal scout will probably be close to OHKillable with most grenades. People are really overestimating the significance of being scan proof IMO. Once you are seen your profile advantage pretty much is zero, then tank and dps matter.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2253	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:39:00 - [22] - Quote I added range now.
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 891	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:47:00 - [23] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: So with 2 Complex Dampners, NOTHING can see the Gallente Scout? ***** please tell me CCp plans to add a counter to that. At least buff the Caldari Scout if that's the case. You either need to have a build that is impossible to scan, or you need a build that is impossible to evade. CCP made a choice to have the highest level of stealth trump the highest level of scan. Remember too, that just because the Gallente is well hidden doesn't mean he is well informed. The Gal scout actually has pretty poor scanning. Gal scouts can't see other any scouts at all. Cal, Min, and Am will all be hidden from the Gal scout just like the Gal scout is hidden from them. Then it becomes a true stealth dance, where you need to find the enemy scout without being spotted yourself. Caldari scout is actually already pretty powerful on the flip side. They are the only suit in the game that can naturally see any of the other scout suits. With a few mods, no Minmatar or Amarr scout will be able to hide from them. Caldari scouts will be able to seek and destroy other scout suits with ease. The only counter is (a) another Caldari such that they both see each other or (b) a Gallente who remains invisible. But the Cal versus Gal scout doesn't automatically go to the Gal. Remember, he is basically blind and can't scan the Caldari either. So we are back to a stealth showdown, where only the sneakiest bastard wins.
Liquid Big Boss Quebec United 160	Posted - 2014.03.23 02:28:00 - [24] - Quote with 2 damp on gallente, it will make it easy to kill with no HP for him at last... and by the way, tell me why in the hell the passif scan DON'T fuckin show vehicule when it's near! do something CCP I'm the boss to superpass big boss itself MAG vet Raven forever
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1902	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:18:00 - [25] - Quote Bump for visibility.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2560	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:32:00 - [26] - Quote The scanning to dampened ratio needs to be addressed in 1.9 Its unacceptable for a game like Dust 514, that advocates such playstyle diversity, to allow medium frames to be unable to dampen to scans while sacrificing so much. Scanning is still game breaking CCP... a wall hack is a wall hack My SP GAP carries me.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2299	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:57:00 - [27] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The scanning to dampened ratio needs to be addressed in 1.9 Its unacceptable for a game like Dust 514, that advocates such playstyle diversity, to allow medium frames to be unable to dampen to scans while sacrificing so much. Scanning is still game breaking CCP... a wall hack is a wall hack What are you talking about? Are you saying assault suits should be able to be dampened to everything? What would the point of a lot of scouts be then? One PRO damp can make max skilled assault suits invisible to all but Gal ADV and better, or PRO scanners, or scout scanners. One of the keys to 'assaulting' in 1.8 to at least avoid scans is not attack from the logical scanning direction. Yes there will be the occaisional signal-logi, stacking scanners, and there will be the paper scout with lots of range, but little HP, but both of those should be somewhat manageable to deal with. The damp assault may not be the most niche for damps, but I don't think it should be, nor do I think it is useless.


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