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Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES 54	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:45:00 - [1] - Quote So I started this game using mouse and keyboard because I am more of a PC player myself but with the addition of aim assist and it giving the controller such an advantage in almost every situation I have been trying to move to the controller...... Since they are not going to change aim assist. Tough learning the game again. The only thing I use m/k for now is tanking because aim assist does nothing while in a tank. Rip m/k , and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2637	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:49:00 - [2] - Quote Always always funny hearing guys ***** about this and saying the controller has the advantage everywhere and I say this as a guy that uses both and plays his games on pcs and consoles both, the KBM set up still has the advantage and is much easier to control I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1422	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:37:00 - [3] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Always always funny hearing guys ***** about this and saying the controller has the advantage everywhere and I say this as a guy that uses both and plays his games on pcs and consoles both, the KBM set up still has the advantage and is much easier to control yeah it has the advantage if you completely over look the fact that without bullet magnetism that AA gives you your hit detection is completely broken, I SAY this as a person who has actually used a mouse and a controller in dust and now has a 3rd party emulator because the default mouse is completely fking broken.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2355	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:38:00 - [4] - Quote GIMX
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 924	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:41:00 - [5] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Always always funny hearing guys *** about this and saying the controller has the advantage everywhere and I say this as a guy that uses both and plays his games on pcs and consoles both, the KBM set up still has the advantage and is much easier to control yeah it has the advantage if you completely over look the fact that without bullet magnetism that AA gives you your hit detection is completely broken, I SAY this as a person who has actually used a mouse and a controller in dust and now has a 3rd party emulator because the default mouse is completely fking broken. Just yesterday I discovered my mouse was actually losing connectivity several times a second so I was playing the broken mouse controls with a broken mouse. So in the past my opinion on KB/M vs DS3 been vastly skewed against KB/M. After hardwiring a new cable to the mouse and playing it the way it was intended I can confirm that KB/M controls are still . Unless you are forging/sniping. Everything else: **. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 243	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote m/kb users......hah.....must be nice to straffe that quick. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 905	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:44:00 - [7] - Quote http://mexalapotis.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/worlds-smallest-violin/ For the KB/M Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 162	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:44:00 - [8] - Quote I use a kb/m still. Even without aim assist I find it easier to get on target faster using the mouse. CQC battles tend to be either me getting on target faster and winning by a decent margin, or me missing slightly for 250-500ms and getting slaughtered without much in between. Straffing/speed tanking seems like it can be more effective against a kb/m player as using a mouse requires consistent tracking. I still kill more guys that shoot me in the side or back using a mouse than I would using a controller, but killing a good dancer can be hard. -Aramis
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1835	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:50:00 - [9] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: m/kb users......hah.....must be nice to straffe that quick. You can strafe exactly as fast as the keyboard user. You can move the stick to the left and right so quickly that you don't actually move, because of the inertia built into dropsuits. Keyboard users get the same inertia mechanism. QED: Strafing is exactly the same on both control schemes
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 924	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:58:00 - [10] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: m/kb users......hah.....must be nice to straffe that quick. You can strafe exactly as fast as the keyboard user. You can move the stick to the left and right so quickly that you don't actually move, because of the inertia built into dropsuits. Keyboard users get the same inertia mechanism. QED: Strafing is exactly the same on both control schemes Maybe from a gameplay standpoint there are the same. But the physical manipulation of the controls is slightly easier on the keyboard than the controller since it is alternating 2 fingers instead of lateral movement of the thumb. So basically I care as much about that supposed advantage as DS3 users care about some serious issues with my preferred control scheme. Which I use because of personal proficiency and not any in game advantage perceived or actual. Which by the way is none. No fucks given at all for that "advantage". The people that want raw input are way off base though and I'm not going to get behind that but there are some tweaks that need to be made. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.

Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:00:00 - [11] - Quote Who honestly gives one flying **** about Mouse and Keyboard when tanks are so ridiculously overpowered? Watch your back because I might be there.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 924	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:02:00 - [12] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Who honestly gives one flying **** about Mouse and Keyboard when tanks are so ridiculously overpowered? Because they aren't ridiculously overpowered? Is that the answer you were looking for? Or was it something else? No, no it couldn't be something else because "they aren't ridiculously overpowered" is the answer. Nevermind. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
M McManus 431	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Always always funny hearing guys ***** about this and saying the controller has the advantage everywhere and I say this as a guy that uses both and plays his games on pcs and consoles both, the KBM set up still has the advantage and is much easier to control You must be pretty horrible at Dust then....?
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1093	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:09:00 - [14] - Quote Another Sad thread.... CCP should have never introduced AA. If they felt KB/M was an advantage against players with DS3 they should have eliminated the KB/M support not ad AA. Aim Assist is one of the worst things I have experienced in dust. AA is so bad that at the same range an aim assisted weapon will hit more times in hip fire at a stationary target than a KB/M does. AA was not the answer. If CCP really wanted a "level" playing field for all mercs they should have just eliminated KB/M. AA does nothing but muddy the waters and make bad players good and good players godly. I also had to relearn how to use the play the game using DS/3 because bullet magnetism affects the HMG so much that you actually deal more damage at a standing target at the same distance when using aim assist than when using KB/M. No skill needed because the target is stationary so the test in a controlled environment with one of my usual test subjects. Anyways, KB/M feels so much better than DS3 because every game that uses KB/M has AA. Therefore people are under this delusion that KB/M is awesome but in fact KB/M is just as bad as the DS3 when not aim assisted. I know people that used DS3 before AA and where gods among mercs. They got good; period. Aim assist is a broken mechanic at the moment and should be redone without bullet magnetism at least. Plasma Cannon Advocate Heavy event survivor
M McManus 431	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote CCP I've seen more questions about kb/m lately is there gong to be some improvements to it in 1.8 you want to revive your community why dont you fix kb/m.. ? This packaged along with new infantry design aka 1.8 I see this as a huge benefit to CCP and more monies!!. You're turn Dust into a thinking man shooter and we know the only ones really able to think past CoD are PC players... ;)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 803	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:17:00 - [16] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Anyways, KB/M feels so much better than DS3 because every game that uses KB/M has AA. Therefore people are under this delusion that KB/M is awesome but in fact KB/M is just as bad as the DS3 when not aim assisted. I've played probably 30 PC games with MKB and not a single one had AA. What games are you referring to? XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I know people that used DS3 before AA and where gods among mercs. They got good; period. Aim assist is a broken mechanic at the moment and should be redone without bullet magnetism at least. You do understand that DUST does NOT have bullet magnetism, don't you?
DootDoot Da Short Buss 246	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:19:00 - [17] - Quote Everyone that plays DUST competitively with a M/KB uses a 3rd party emulator.... http://www.penguinunited.com/ http://xim3.com/ Etc... That way you get the Bullet magnetism and Aim magnetism(If wanted) of the DS3 but on a Mouse and keyboard. Plus they have CPU's built into the hardware handling the processing of the input's.. so there is almost 0 input delay difference to a ds3 user... where there is MASSIVE input delay for a competitive KB/M player using DUST 514's KB/M emulation... Not to mention terrible Hit detection.. Inconsistent tracking on moving targets... Delay in rapid movement inputs when using the keyboard (negating all these instant speed claims people have) Not able to map your keys(You can do it with any 3rd party emulator) All these players would of much rather given CCP their Money... Their 60-200 bux on DUST if the advertised control scheme worked as they where sold on and actually given for a long time.
M McManus 431	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:23:00 - [18] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Everyone that plays DUST competitively with a M/KB uses a 3rd party emulator.... http://www.penguinunited.com/ http://xim3.com/ Etc... That way you get the Bullet magnetism and Aim magnetism(If wanted) of the DS3 but on a Mouse and keyboard. Plus they have CPU's built into the hardware handling the processing of the input's.. so there is almost 0 input delay difference to a ds3 user... where there is MASSIVE input delay for a competitive KB/M player using DUST 514's KB/M emulation... Not to mention terrible Hit detection.. Inconsistent tracking on moving targets... Delay in rapid movement inputs when using the keyboard (negating all these instant speed claims people have) Not able to map your keys(You can do it with any 3rd party emulator) All these players would of much rather given CCP their Money... Their 60-200 bux on DUST if the advertised control scheme worked as they where sold on and actually given for a long time. QFT But I haven't picked up a 3rd party device (yet) if CCP doesn't fix it in 1.8 they may push my hand...
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1095	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:24:00 - [19] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Anyways, KB/M feels so much better than DS3 because every game that uses KB/M has AA. Therefore people are under this delusion that KB/M is awesome but in fact KB/M is just as bad as the DS3 when not aim assisted. I've played probably 30 PC games with MKB and not a single one had AA. What games are you referring to? XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I know people that used DS3 before AA and where gods among mercs. They got good; period. Aim assist is a broken mechanic at the moment and should be redone without bullet magnetism at least. You do understand that DUST does NOT have bullet magnetism, don't you? As confirmed by the Devs, I thought, what some people are describing as bullet magnetism is really just the perception of lag. Dust has bullet magnetism, it was really exaggerated in 1.4 till they toned it down a bit. You would literally shoot next to a person; visibly next to a person and they would take damage as if you where shooting straight at them. All the mainstream shooters have aim assist look it up. Plasma Cannon Advocate Heavy event survivor
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1732	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:25:00 - [20] - Quote We all had to do it... But "adapt or die" makes zero sense. What Console FPS games were you using KB/M on before DUST 514? I ain't got time for dat sht!*

XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1095	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:26:00 - [21] - Quote Aim assist video if you haven't watched it Plasma Cannon Advocate Heavy event survivor
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 924	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:28:00 - [22] - Quote 8213 wrote: We all had to do it... But "adapt or die" makes zero sense. What Console FPS games were you using KB/M on before DUST 514? That's part of the reason this is my first console shooter. Actually my first shooter in general but whatever. Except Goldeneye but I don't count that as it's not comparable in any meaningful way. I don't really know about AA in other games and I don't really care about it as much as I care about fixing broken KB/M controls. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2035	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:31:00 - [23] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Aim assist video if you haven't watched it Thanks for this. I especially like when DS3 players talk about their supposedly great gun game. Well, as seen in this video, it's pretty easy to have great gun game with an aimbot.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13379	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:33:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Anyways, KB/M feels so much better than DS3 because every game that uses KB/M has AA. Therefore people are under this delusion that KB/M is awesome but in fact KB/M is just as bad as the DS3 when not aim assisted. I've played probably 30 PC games with MKB and not a single one had AA. What games are you referring to? XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I know people that used DS3 before AA and where gods among mercs. They got good; period. Aim assist is a broken mechanic at the moment and should be redone without bullet magnetism at least. You do understand that DUST does NOT have bullet magnetism, don't you? As confirmed by the Devs, I thought, what some people are describing as bullet magnetism is really just the perception of lag. Hasn't remembered a single shooter without AA on PC.... Wolfenstein (3D) maybe? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 245	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote I hate pc games that have aa. Some jack wad hacker always finds a way to impliment it into multiplayer XD Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
DootDoot Da Short Buss 247	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:40:00 - [26] - Quote 8213 wrote: We all had to do it... But "adapt or die" makes zero sense. What Console FPS games were you using KB/M on before DUST 514? http://us.playstation.com/games/counter-strike-global-offensive-ps3.html M/KB... DS3 users compete... M/KB is raw input... no aim assists... quoted by developers..Way more users then DUST 514... On just playstation... Also both M/KB and gamepad for the xbox... raw input... Still more numbers then DUST pulls... Nothing is a surprise here.. Just because people can only name FPS games made by a couple IP holders... maybe 3 IP(Intellectual Property) true owners? Built every FPS game a majority of these people have only played and basing the claims that every console game ever has had AA. sad...
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 804	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:30:00 - [27] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Anyways, KB/M feels so much better than DS3 because every game that uses KB/M has AA. Therefore people are under this delusion that KB/M is awesome but in fact KB/M is just as bad as the DS3 when not aim assisted. I've played probably 30 PC games with MKB and not a single one had AA. What games are you referring to? XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I know people that used DS3 before AA and where gods among mercs. They got good; period. Aim assist is a broken mechanic at the moment and should be redone without bullet magnetism at least. You do understand that DUST does NOT have bullet magnetism, don't you? As confirmed by the Devs, I thought, what some people are describing as bullet magnetism is really just the perception of lag. Dust has bullet magnetism, it was really exaggerated in 1.4 till they toned it down a bit. You would literally shoot next to a person; visibly next to a person and they would take damage as if you where shooting straight at them. Sorry, bud, but you're wrong. What you thought was bullet magnetism is just how Dust handles lag and/or how you were interpreting hit detection. Come over to IRC and ask a Dev -- there is no bullet magnetism in Dust. There is, however, target mangetism, but that's a different animal. XxGhazbaranxX wrote: All the mainstream shooters have aim assist look it up. For recent "mainstream" console games, sure. For MKB PC games, nope. BF3:http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654347880230016/ BF4: https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490225536572/ COD BO: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1715073 I believe a few PC games have AA for controller users, but that' wasn't the point... Sorry to repeat myself, but which PC FPS has AA?
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1963	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:37:00 - [28] - Quote Its ok, CCP will announce Dust's inevitable porting to PS4 and PC (where it rightly belongs ) at fanfest. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 899	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:44:00 - [29] - Quote DootDoot wrote: 8213 wrote: We all had to do it... But "adapt or die" makes zero sense. What Console FPS games were you using KB/M on before DUST 514? http://us.playstation.com/games/counter-strike-global-offensive-ps3.html M/KB... DS3 users compete... M/KB is raw input... no aim assists... quoted by developers..Way more users then DUST 514... On just playstation... Also both M/KB and gamepad for the xbox... raw input... Still more numbers then DUST pulls... Nothing is a surprise here.. Just because people can only name FPS games made by a couple IP holders... maybe 3 IP(Intellectual Property) true owners? Built every FPS game a majority of these people have only played and basing the claims that every console game ever has had AA. sad... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131284 And don't forgot UT3 which had flawless KB/M on ps3, sure it had the options of separate servers but this **** isn't UT3 this is "New Eden" CCP needs to fix KB/M and everyone needs to Harden dafuq up.. <--- CCP what happened to this attitude !?
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 33	Posted - 2014.03.14 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote Really, I only use KB/M for sniping and using the combat rifle (faster clicking - more damage).

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 257	Posted - 2014.03.14 00:32:00 - [31] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: So I started this game using mouse and keyboard because I am more of a PC player myself but with the addition of aim assist and it giving the controller such an advantage in almost every situation I have been trying to move to the controller...... Since they are not going to change aim assist. Tough learning the game again. The only thing I use m/k for now is tanking because aim assist does nothing while in a tank. Rip m/k , and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest Just a note: not all weapons have aim assist. Forgot which ones....but for example, shotgun doesn't have it.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:39:00 - [32] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: So I started this game using mouse and keyboard because I am more of a PC player myself but with the addition of aim assist and it giving the controller such an advantage in almost every situation I have been trying to move to the controller...... Since they are not going to change aim assist. Tough learning the game again. The only thing I use m/k for now is tanking because aim assist does nothing while in a tank. Rip m/k , and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest I have heard rumors about master race kb/m players going over to the FOTM aim-assisted controller... Is it really worth it? Is the difference really worth relearning the game? XD Scanning Table for 1.8: LINK
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 94	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:19:00 - [33] - Quote On occasion, I practice with KB/M. It's frustrating at first, and movement is less fluid and more clunky. But you perform better overall with the CR, Scr, Sniper Rifle, and basically all precision/semi-automatic weapons.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1749	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:24:00 - [34] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: So I started this game using mouse and keyboard because I am more of a PC player myself but with the addition of aim assist and it giving the controller such an advantage in almost every situation I have been trying to move to the controller...... Since they are not going to change aim assist. Tough learning the game again. The only thing I use m/k for now is tanking because aim assist does nothing while in a tank. Rip m/k , and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest Get the Frag FX Shark. It is chuck and mouse but the mouse is seen as a controller. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!


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