DUST Search - Amarr "Scout" in comparison to other racial Scouts

1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster.

Thanks for the middle finger there CCP.

Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well.

#passiveaggressive #rollingold

Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses.

Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault.

Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances.

Hey, we can infuriate all with our superior bunny hopping abilities!

You can actually only jump a maximum of 3 times regardless of stamina count.

I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.

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Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3906	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:05:00 - [1] - Quote So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 453	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:10:00 - [2] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses. Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault. Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3907	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:12:00 - [3] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses. Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault. Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. Hey, we can infuriate all with our superior bunny hopping abilities! I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:18:00 - [4] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold If the bonus was 7% it would be even, given the new stats. And please, can elite players stop worrying about Proto gear. I get it, it's what you run most but if all things are considered and the Amarr Scout bonus is 7% per and not 5 Amarr would be on par with Cal and Gal as a light infantry/cloak. The second part is at adv the Min Scout suit lacks 1-2 PG before boosts to make it competitive with the other scout suits at advanced. Minor tweaks could mean a very balanced scout class, even if cloaks are a fail. Please, I know Amarr racial bonus at 5 instead of 7 is weak but try to fit adv min scout suit, its unbearable. There no way around equipping a std cloak, no nades, no other equipment unless you plan on using a sub par weapon or a CR. Yes the CR is strong but it doesn't mean that it should be the mandatory weapon in order for suits to work. There are major problems in assault suits, but I feel based on numbers the scouts would be balanced in two very small tweaks.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4492	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:21:00 - [5] - Quote 170/170? I thought it was 60/170? Regardless I'll don the amarr scout. Faith has never been so Fast GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Oswald Rehnquist 1276	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:23:00 - [6] - Quote Fist off, I agree it needs something but I actually like the stamina bonus, and the Amarr scout will be my second suit I spec into due to this bonus. Also I'm hoping that ewar will be based off of suit stats (like precision, stamina, etc), which will provide another function later on for scouts. But stamina is a really good combat utility for a scout (though the amarr scout's bonus isn't enough in my opinion), being able to leap twice and still have enough stamina to sprint some distance will make it really good in compound areas. Ambushing a group is highly dependent on alpha and escaping. Just watch 60 seconds of this to see what I mean The Amarr scout bonus should be 10% stamina per level at least, then if more is needed another smaller bonus. Stamina has more widows of application compared to a lot of other bonuses. Below 28 dB
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 98	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Faith has never been so Fast
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 794	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:24:00 - [8] - Quote My caldari scout will have 450 shields. #wieldtheshield Very disappointing feelings about no respec. No SP for Magsec, no SP for the bolt pistol :(
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8161	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:25:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: 170/170? I thought it was 60/170? Regardless I'll don the amarr scout. Faith has never been so Fast Damn thats a good slogan " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4341	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:26:00 - [10] - Quote Stamina is incredibly useful for legit scouts. I am your scan error.

gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 98	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:27:00 - [11] - Quote Gallente Scout is where it's at, though. That dampening bonus and range amplifying bonus are gold.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3909	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:37:00 - [12] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: 170/170? I thought it was 60/170? Regardless I'll don the amarr scout. Faith has never been so Fast That was my bad, I think that was an old stat. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 443	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:44:00 - [13] - Quote Just stop, everyone is confusing me on what Light Suit I want now... xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4342	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:45:00 - [14] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Just stop, everyone is confusing me on what Light Suit I want now... Do what I'm doing- get ALL THE SCOUTS! I am your scan error.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1610	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:46:00 - [15] - Quote You mean the Amarr Scout WASN'T supposed to be a second assault? Hell, the Minmatar get better stamina regen than you guys. I'll be sticking with my Gallente Scout. Assuming we reach the 1mill clones goal, I'll be speccing out of Gallente Assault and keep my adv logi when 1.8 hits. Il I'll use my remaining SP to refine my scout suit.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:47:00 - [16] - Quote Minmatar Scout still has the highest base stamina recharge rate (without bonuses just the innate stat). XP "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
21yrOld Knight Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 552	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:47:00 - [17] - Quote I see the amarr scout being used at the beginning of pc matches. Used to take the long trip from say a ground spawn to a city with uplinks. I like dust more then eve. Eve feels like work. Volunteer member of the Arkombine, but i don't want out.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:48:00 - [18] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: I see the amarr scout being used at the beginning of pc matches. Used to take the long trip from say a ground spawn to a city with uplinks. A gallente scout with a stamina mod and 3 kin cats. would reach their faster. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1275	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:55:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses. Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault. Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. Hey, we can infuriate all with our superior bunny hopping abilities! You can actually only jump a maximum of 3 times regardless of stamina count. The Sinwarden
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3910	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:12:00 - [20] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses. Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault. Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. Hey, we can infuriate all with our superior bunny hopping abilities! You can actually only jump a maximum of 3 times regardless of stamina count. D: I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.

Oswald Rehnquist 1276	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:30:00 - [21] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold Oh you must be talking about hos the amarr scout has less than a militia mod worth of bonuses, and the other scouts have at least 3 mods worth of bonuses. Or maybhe you are talking about how the amarr scout is slower than the minmatar assault. Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. Hey, we can infuriate all with our superior bunny hopping abilities! You can actually only jump a maximum of 3 times regardless of stamina count. Correct, but you can actually jump 2 times and still have enough stamina to sprint away still, and you can do this much more consistently, which is why I threw up the video I did, to show where my stamina was barely keeping me alive but wasn't charging fast enough. Below 28 dB
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 344	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:13:00 - [22] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: So all of the other scouts get a scout like bonus, be it range extension, scan precision, profile dampening, or hack speed, meanwhile the Amarr gets a stamina bonus...yeah, we can run for longer and regen that ability faster. Thanks for the middle finger there CCP. Oh well when you get lemons, make lemonade, I'll be using the Amarr scout as a light assault suit as CCP has made apparent it is. With 170/170 and two highs and four lows, I'll be a speedy, cloaked, invisible on radar assault. I wonder if there will be an exodus from the Amarr assault...hmm, oh well. #passiveaggressive #rollingold I'm contemplating using the amarr scout as a "pilot" suit, or the cal scout, I'm not sure which.
KGB Sleep 851	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:16:00 - [23] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Or maybe about how stamina is ONLY useful in very specific circumstances. You know... Amarr still needs a melee weapon. It might be a stupidly strong one that takes a bit of stam to use. idk $0.02 Because beer, that's why.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5044	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:22:00 - [24] - Quote You do realize how huge the bonus from a complex cardiac regulator is yes? I'm not saying it doesn't suck that yall got the short stick, but what you're asking for is a massive advantage, having a bonus to go with it like the Minja does with hacking may be the route yall want to take instead.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4502	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:31:00 - [25] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I see the amarr scout being used at the beginning of pc matches. Used to take the long trip from say a ground spawn to a city with uplinks. A gallente scout with a stamina mod and 3 kin cats. would reach there faster. Well actually with the amarr scout, it would have a little bit over 320 base stamina I believe. Allowing you to put 4 complex kin cats. Not sure what the sprinting speed would be, however I would think that it would be infact faster to reach a city or home objective than the gall scout you mentioned. However this also depends on the map. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 80	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:32:00 - [26] - Quote If you actually scout you would value stamina more. Nothing more annoying then running across an open field and run out of juice. Or shotgunning a red and not having enough bounce and sprint to get away. My main stamina scouts are my starting one (uplinks) and a tactical sniper scout (to get into a perchwhere I can remove enemy equipment). I really notice the lack of stamina on my other scouts and would like to add the modules to them too... But I'm a noob who is focusing on suit upgrades before suit types until 1.8 comes out.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1775	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:35:00 - [27] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Just stop, everyone is confusing me on what Light Suit I want now... Do what I'm doing- get ALL THE SCOUTS! Seriously, i think this is the only answer. Ah, i wish i could wear Amarr. I support SP rollover.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 846	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:36:00 - [28] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: 170/170? I thought it was 60/170? Regardless I'll don the amarr scout. Faith has never been so Fast 'Tis 70/170. Lynn Beck 5 AM: '-will be shamed publicly by tickle torture' Tits are my new god, as the Galscout has enlightened me.
Calamity Jane II TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 210	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:00:00 - [29] - Quote Doing the math earlier. One cardiac at lvl 5 biotics lvl 5 cardiac and lvl 5 racial gives 758 stamina with one green proto cardiac in a low slot. I can't find its sprint speed but with lvl 5 biotics lvl 5 kin and even a slightly lower base sprint you can still run just shy of 10 m/s. The stamina bonus for amarr scout gives it 208 more stamina than galante. Its going to be a sweet suit. Plus it has just a tinytiny bit more ehp. Not much but its something. Im going both galante and amarr but definitely want to do amarr first.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 457	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:32:00 - [30] - Quote Calamity Jane II wrote: Doing the math earlier. One cardiac at lvl 5 biotics lvl 5 cardiac and lvl 5 racial gives 758 stamina with one green proto cardiac in a low slot. I can't find its sprint speed but with lvl 5 biotics lvl 5 kin and even a slightly lower base sprint you can still run just shy of 10 m/s. The stamina bonus for amarr scout gives it 208 more stamina than galante. Its going to be a sweet suit. Plus it has just a tinytiny bit more ehp. Not much but its something. Im going both galante and amarr but definitely want to do amarr first. take gallente stamina/recharge(200/30), multiply it by 1.05 (skills) to get 210/31.5. Subtract that from 275/401.051.25 360/52.5. Thats 150 extra stamina, 21 extra recovery. amarr scout will sprint at 7.715 w/ max skills (minmatar assault will go 7.79 w/ max). W/ 1 kin-cat thats 8.7 m/sec, 2 kin-kats is 9.7 m/sec. Minnie scout will go 9.4 m/sec w/ 1 kincat, with 237.5 stamina and 63 recovery (thats right... after the 25% bonus to recovery, the amarr will still have less recovery). All while hacking 31% faster, strafing faster, jumping higher, and doing 1200+ dmg with nova kinves. The is zero reason to use an amarr scout from a competitive standpoint. No, there really is no point. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those



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