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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5585	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:35:00 - [1] - Quote My Logistics mk.0 frame that costs 254,130 ISK was just 2 shot killed by a Starter Fit and a STD Shotgun that only costs 610 ISK. Why is this possible? My logi build costs 12 million SP and 254k ISk to run, and he spent at most 50k SP and 610 ISK. I'm spending about 200x more ISK and 240,000x more SP than him, so there's no way he should be able to solo me. These Shotguns need to be nerfed. Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4427	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:36:00 - [2] - Quote Hidden tank troll. I just know it GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1963	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:37:00 - [3] - Quote Pay attention. How do you know the user wasn't a full SP'd scout, most the time I run militia **** on my BPO dragonfly. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 348	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:39:00 - [4] - Quote 3/10 Provides thesis with groups and some evidence, though thorough analysis of evidence is lacking. Also, how did he get within 5 meters of you? The biggest threat to my scout is everything. There is no them, only us. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 727	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:41:00 - [5] - Quote Dont you mean Buff them? It should have only needed one shot to kil you. With their terible range, hit ditection, and damage shotguns are very underpowered right now. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 407	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:41:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: My Logistics mk.0 frame that costs 254,130 ISK was just 2 shot killed by a Starter Fit and a STD Shotgun that only costs 610 ISK. Why is this possible? My logi build costs 12 million SP and 254k ISk to run, and he spent at most 50k SP and 610 ISK. I'm spending about 200x more ISK and 240,000x more SP than him, so there's no way he should be able to solo me. These Shotguns need to be nerfed. Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me. Atiim......NO.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5588	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:42:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Pay attention. How do you know the user wasn't a full SP'd scout, most the time I run militia ** on my BPO dragonfly. Because I know what a fully specced SG sounds like. A Proficiency Shotguns sounds like: Blam Blam Blam A Non-Proficiency Shotgun soulds like: Blam...... Blam.... Blam** AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5588	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:43:00 - [8] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Atiim wrote: My Logistics mk.0 frame that costs 254,130 ISK was just 2 shot killed by a Starter Fit and a STD Shotgun that only costs 610 ISK. Why is this possible? My logi build costs 12 million SP and 254k ISk to run, and he spent at most 50k SP and 610 ISK. I'm spending about 200x more ISK and 240,000x more SP than him, so there's no way he should be able to solo me. These Shotguns need to be nerfed. Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me. Atiim......NO. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 724	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:44:00 - [9] - Quote Just give them the dodge ball hitting the gym wall sound back and all will be well. That was terrifying to hear and as I've been using a shotgun scout the past week I miss that sound all the more. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 236	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:44:00 - [10] - Quote +1, because I know its an allegory for something else, and that you don't actually think Shotguns need to be nerfed. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.

WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:44:00 - [11] - Quote Its a shotgun if he got that close he deserves the kill. I hate shotgunners because they kill you with one or two shots but that's what they are supposed do. 4KD Minmatar Assault "LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
Nocturnals sexy slave Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:44:00 - [12] - Quote Hmmm I think hes on to something here guys!
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 407	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:46:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Atiim wrote: My Logistics mk.0 frame that costs 254,130 ISK was just 2 shot killed by a Starter Fit and a STD Shotgun that only costs 610 ISK. Why is this possible? My logi build costs 12 million SP and 254k ISk to run, and he spent at most 50k SP and 610 ISK. I'm spending about 200x more ISK and 240,000x more SP than him, so there's no way he should be able to solo me. These Shotguns need to be nerfed. Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me. Atiim......NO. I want you to understand the gravity of your statement...if you HONESTLY ran that shotgun...FULL-TIME, you will see that it is not the damage that needs fixing its the horrid hit detection and range. Chromosome had it right.
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:46:00 - [14] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: 3/10 Provides thesis with groups and some evidence, though thorough analysis of evidence is lacking. Also, how did he get within 5 meters of you? About the same way a merc gets within spitting distance of a tank and hits them with "OP" AV grenades. Oh did I forget to mention he had time to set up a nonohive and toss out at least 4 before the tanker can pull his tunnel vision away from murdering newly spawned mercs. Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5588	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:47:00 - [15] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: 3/10 Provides thesis with groups and some evidence, though thorough analysis of evidence is lacking. Also, how did he get within 5 meters of you? He spawned on a CRU that I was about to hack. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5592	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:48:00 - [16] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: I want you to understand the gravity of your statement...if you HONESTLY ran that shotgun...FULL-TIME, you will see that it is not the damage that needs fixing its the horrid hit detection and range. Chromosome had it right. I've actually been running Scouts for a while, and I even have a PRO Shotgun myself. This thread is a troll thread. I'm not actually trying to nerf Shotguns. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 552	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:48:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: These Shotguns need to be nerfed. Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me. You certainly have a solid argument there. This is unacceptable. But honestly, I think the problem is not in only in the shotguns themselves, but in the gap between starter fits and proto not being wide enough. This urgently requires the usual balance pass from CCP, that should 1. Buff proto suits. 2. Nerf starter suits. 3. Nerf to the shotgun damage, range and rof, just to be sure. 4. Nerf to AV if tanks are OP, nerf to tanks if AV is OP.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 349	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:49:00 - [18] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: +1, because I know its an allegory for something else, and that you don't actually think Shotguns need to be nerfed. Militia tanks... The biggest threat to my scout is everything. There is no them, only us. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 79	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:49:00 - [19] - Quote I disagree. With the higher risk involved in trying to get close to the enemy just to land an effective shotgun hit, the weapon must stay as it is. Shotguns as compared to other weapons aren't exactly consistent in performance especially when distance is involved. Why not ask your opponent for a rematch, you were probably distracted allowing him to close in and land a good hit.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 409	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:51:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: I want you to understand the gravity of your statement...if you HONESTLY ran that shotgun...FULL-TIME, you will see that it is not the damage that needs fixing its the horrid hit detection and range. Chromosome had it right. I've actually been running Scouts for a while, and I even have a PRO Shotgun myself. This thread is a troll thread. I'm not actually trying to nerf Shotguns. Oh, in that case troll away.

Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1855	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote Troll failed. Also, the comparison is nowhere near the same, as you could hide with the AV nades. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9885	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:53:00 - [22] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Hidden tank troll. I just know it Correct. This part is basically a parody of a tanker argument "Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me." Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1855	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:54:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Hidden tank troll. I just know it Correct. This part is basically a parody of a tanker argument "Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me." Yet it's not the same argument. At all. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5592	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:57:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Hidden tank troll. I just know it Correct. This part is basically a parody of a tanker argument "Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me." Yet it's not the same argument. At all. How so. The argument pilots present is, "someone who spent less ISK and SP than me should not solo me". Don't make me threadnaught through the forums and show you the 100s of times pilots have used this argument. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5592	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:58:00 - [25] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Troll failed. Also, the comparison is nowhere near the same, as you could hide with the AV nades. Who says this is about AV Grenades? This is about AV in general. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1854	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:02:00 - [26] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Hidden tank troll. I just know it ^ Team carry Prof. IV I need Full Proto and five Proto Bodyguards to be good.
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:02:00 - [27] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Troll failed. Also, the comparison is nowhere near the same, as you could hide with the AV nades. You can hide with frag grenades, what is your point? Oh also it only takes about one STD grenade to kill me in anything but my PRO or dual tanked fits. Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1574	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:04:00 - [28] - Quote subtlety doesn't work on the masses (look at the date before claiming how wrong I am in the linked thread) GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1855	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:06:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Hidden tank troll. I just know it Correct. This part is basically a parody of a tanker argument "Someone who didn't even spend half of the ISK or SP that I spent should not be able to solo me." Yet it's not the same argument. At all. How so? The argument pilots constantly present is, "someone who spent less ISK and SP than me should not solo me". Don't make me threadnaught through the forums and show you the 100s of times pilots have used this argument. You left out a big part of that, and that is reasonably. It was not reasonable how AV nades worked before. Hell, even when they sucked before and now, they're still not reasonable. And I doubt they'll ever be reasonable. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5594	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:06:00 - [30] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: subtlety doesn't work on the masses (look at the date before claiming how wrong I am in the linked thread) I'm sending you the bill for a bottle of lotion, as my face is literally burning from how hard I facepalmed. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND



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