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Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2456	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:50:00 - [31] - Quote Hmm... Looks at 10 mill SP alt... looks at RND, FA, OSG, KEQ, VC, ML, ERA, DDB, 0.H and more who's interested... I'm bored... Thor I'll toss an alt back in the old country... if ML isn't there Looks at SoTa (Puppy dog eyes), Looks at Ydubbs (I've got 4-5 former TCR in your corp as well as a few friends from Intrepidus...), looks at Skittles (I backed your asses up forum warrioring here when few others would) Listen 10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:52:00 - [32] - Quote I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 226	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:56:00 - [33] - Quote BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? My interpretation is that it is an "Honor System" and that no formalities exist with the exception (though still not strictly enforced) of no flipping districts. If you make a gentleman's agreement and it is breached, call them out publicly and move along. If your district is flipped, again call out publicly and ask for help. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2974	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:04:00 - [34] - Quote BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? Honestly, for something like that I think your recourse we be come to the forums and call them an ***. What you could do it put a bet on the match or a buy in and have a third party hold the ISK. If one side breaks the rules then they forfeit the bet or buy-in. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:06:00 - [35] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? My interpretation is that it is an "Honor System" and that no formalities exist with the exception (though still not strictly enforced) of no flipping districts. If you make a gentleman's agreement and it is breached, call them out publicly and move along. If your district is flipped, again call out publicly and ask for help. thats wat i figured just thought i would ask n see wat people thought I hope CCP adds the option to make custom matchs like that eventually so it doest just have to be a gentleman's agreeement n hope they fall through with it cause there are corps out there that just want to screw u over TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:08:00 - [36] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? My interpretation is that it is an "Honor System" and that no formalities exist with the exception (though still not strictly enforced) of no flipping districts. If you make a gentleman's agreement and it is breached, call them out publicly and move along. If your district is flipped, again call out publicly and ask for help. The reason I interrupt it differently is based on the 'ideal' that no flipping will occur because of a 'gentlemen's' agreement. That's, to say that least, a fairy tale pipe dream. W/e comes of this planet - it'll be a brawl fest. The nice part will be how meta goes out the door and just good ol' fights instead. Hopefully they'll add a no ringer rule. Either way - if there's no enforcement then there's nothing there not making it a part of PC. And how Kane is going to convince NF or anyone this is a good idea is beyond me. Most of us are only interested in making ISK with our good fights, not one or the other. This plan offers nothing in the way of ISK making. So why do it? Just launch an attack on a corp outside of Bosena and make some ISK with your fight. Basically - I'm not on board with this idea. Seems pointless.
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:12:00 - [37] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? What you could do it put a bet on the match or a buy in and have a third party hold the ISK. If one side breaks the rules then they forfeit the bet or buy-in. I would love to see stuff like this go down though. see thats wat i was thinking having a 3rd party oversee the battle n having the 2 corps give a isk deposit to the 3rd party as insurance no one breaks the rules or they forfit the money TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2456	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:15:00 - [38] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: I like the idea n i'm pretty sure RND would want a district I got a question though say u want to set up special corp matchs like infantry only, 4v4, n so on n both corps agree to terms but then the other corp breaks the terms would there be ways to enforce that or is it just anything goes? My interpretation is that it is an "Honor System" and that no formalities exist with the exception (though still not strictly enforced) of no flipping districts. If you make a gentleman's agreement and it is breached, call them out publicly and move along. If your district is flipped, again call out publicly and ask for help. Nope Gentleman's Agreement is in Vale they're not coming down to the ghetto heath... Listen 10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 527	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:28:00 - [39] - Quote I like the idea of using bosena to expand PFC. I don't think this corp battle area will work. The major corps can already play each other almost anywhere on the map. The changes to clone attrition rate negated the usefulness of this idea long ago.
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 51	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:42:00 - [40] - Quote BLUNT SMKR wrote: see thats wat i was thinking too having a 3rd party oversee the battle n having the 2 corps give a isk deposit to the 3rd party as insurance no one breaks the rules or they forfeit the money finding a reliable 3rd party might be hard though

KaoticKrusader 0uter.Heaven 51	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:03:00 - [41] - Quote 8v8 with no Eve
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1671	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:09:00 - [42] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: I like the idea of using bosena to expand PFC. I don't think this corp battle area will work. The major corps can already play each other almost anywhere on the map. The changes to clone attrition rate negated the usefulness of this idea long ago. The issue is, an attack between these powers anywhere else can be seen as an act of war. In Corp Battles/Fight Club/etc. it's pre-understood that it's just for good fights. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2833	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:28:00 - [43] - Quote We could create corps made up of 16 mercs (a team) and actually like, compete. There could be leagues and stuff, I'm high. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 38	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:28:00 - [44] - Quote Mr Kane Spero wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: see thats wat i was thinking too having a 3rd party oversee the battle n having the 2 corps give a isk deposit to the 3rd party as insurance no one breaks the rules or they forfeit the money finding a reliable 3rd party might be hard though lol thats wat i've been trying to hint at but didnt want to straight out say escrow should be the 3rd party figured u would just stand up n volunteer I would def like to do some matchs like this so if any corp is intrested hit me up n well see if we can work out some terms (still havent brought this to rest of my corp so nathing is for sure but i think most well be dwn for anything) TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 292	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:29:00 - [45] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: I like the idea of using bosena to expand PFC. I don't think this corp battle area will work. The major corps can already play each other almost anywhere on the map. The changes to clone attrition rate negated the usefulness of this idea long ago. The issue is, an attack between these powers anywhere else can be seen as an act of war. In Corp Battles/Fight Club/etc. it's pre-understood that it's just for good fights. Or..... You could just mail the corp your attacking, "Hey, it's just fun we're not coming to take it." There's really no justification for a corp battle planet. Want a good fight? Let me in you on an old NF secret corp training trick. In a corp match - the real training comes from the synergy you get from working with the same guys. Example: I know when me and regynum rushes a point he will always, always, always go for the first kill he can get then run back to me. He will never let me lead a charge - because he doesn't need too, and he won't go for flank so I can get there frontal attention. He will get there attention and bait them right back to me. All I have to do is get into preferable position for HMG slaughter. Red line corp games like I get from PFC didn't teach me that. But do you know how a game from PFC from the same guys who got red line would help me learn stuff like that? Rules of Engagement. Ask both parties to take half the city and half the outside point - and engage with the intent of flip - but never actually flipping. When a point reaches hacked state - attacking party rolls off and defending party re-hacks. Then they switch roles. This means there's effectively 2 trainings, possibly 3 to 4, happening at once. Your city side is learning how to manage clones in engagements where the other side is putting up links successfully - as well as learning what lanes are used the most to reach what point to accomplish what from where. Your outside squad is getting similar training - only on a grander scale because vehicles player a larger role. And vehicles themselves will get tons of training as they learn how to counter each others advances and ploys. And don't forget ADS pilots - they need to learn to communicate better with there teams. They have the best eyes and ears. Tl;dr A corp battle planet is completely unnecessary with imagination. PFC is a stretch of a concept enough as it is.
Rigel Knietzch Valor Coalition 84	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:11:00 - [46] - Quote In behalf of Valor Coalition, we support this idea, we currently enjoy PFC, and this will give our corp better and more competitive fights. Any inquires, please let me know. * Winner of "The Scrubbiest Player in Dust 514"
8213 Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 1704	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:38:00 - [47] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: Also, would this exclusively be ground battles by "rule"? Or would that be up to the individual corps to iron out? What do you mean by ground battles? Also, it only makes sense that RA would be on the planet. 8213 wrote: So, what's in it for you, Spero? I like fostering competition. The more people that stay in PC the more people that are likely to hire mercs. Also, I would like to run another tournament at some point and I think this is the best shot of having a joint Eve-Dust tournament in PC right now. I'll be honest, most of my directors think I am crazy and this won't work, but some of the best ideas are the crazy ones. Seems fair. Look forward to it I ain't got time for dat sht!*
Cyncia Gaess Die Valkyrja Renegade Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:51:00 - [48] - Quote Sorry but I just dont understand why we should so care about babies who even cant form a full 16 ppl team to defend the districts which was be given. So maybe we should discuss something to higher the threshold and let the babies training hard but not just apply and waiting for the milk first. Or, what we will get is just trouble, lots of troubles. As I think, the PFC and Thunder should be like this: Give district to who deserve it. Attack these district at least one time per month to test if they are growing up or dieing. Be their guard when they are attacked by some other Corps who have several districts already. Allow all Corps have no district to attack, let all ppl remind the pc world is hard and just be Stronger. So, we are using this to training new powerful Allies right? Or just doing some Social welfare? Die Valkyrja CEO / pâ¦péípâ½pé¡pâÑpâ¬péó t+ÅFúü / sÑ¦µ¡ªtÑP Tªûs+¡µëºFíîs«ÿ / tºüpü»tî½püîsñºsÑ+püìpâïpâúpâ+n+ü
Cyncia Gaess Die Valkyrja Renegade Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:07:00 - [49] - Quote And, maybe form an organization like this for Eastern Hemisphere will be a good idea too, it 's a littleGÇªGÇªtoo quiet here. I will talk to cats too, and if they want, we can help to run this organization, we are a Corp full with newbies too. (^_^) Die Valkyrja CEO / pâ¦péípâ½pé¡pâÑpâ¬péó t+ÅFúü / sÑ¦µ¡ªtÑP Tªûs+¡µëºFíîs«ÿ / tºüpü»tî½püîsñºsÑ+püìpâïpâúpâ+n+ü
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 185	Posted - 2014.03.11 05:38:00 - [50] - Quote or the CPM0 could simply insist that corp battles come back since a lot of the community does want it back. It is relatively cheaper and you can train a lot more doing corp battles. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War

Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2014.03.11 06:18:00 - [51] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: or the CPM0 could simply insist that corp battles come back since a lot of the community does want it back. It is relatively cheaper and you can train a lot more doing corp battles. But is the community big enough? Honestly, There are a lot of no name corps, corps with plenty of members that still lack certain competitive qualities and simply those who suck. If the Corps that wish to compete on a bigger level would just consolidate their forces it may be viable. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 168	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:40:00 - [52] - Quote I'll call the first challenge for a Thunderdome! CHICAGOCUBS4EVER This may be the dumbest thing I've ever done, but hey carpe yolo or some **** right? I took Zulu squad into a FW for the Minmatar once (least I think it was Min) thinking it would be a breeze. We ran against a qsync of Team Players and Cubs sent me prematch hate mail, and that I've never understood. It wasn't overly vulgar or anything, but definitely insulting. Something about that still haunts me, and I have no clue why. Since then I've seen cubs tactics first hand and know he is a great player and battle commander, and i have no naive thoughts of completely stomping or even beating him. But hey, maybe he'll have some respect for me. This message is brought to you by a very sleep deprived, slightly inebriated, Clyff Donovan. No part of this message is to reflect any opinion or consequence to those of Death Firm. or Canis Eliminatus Operatives. Director / PC Ambassador* Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 187	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:28:00 - [53] - Quote The community is plenty big enough, corps can actually practice against eachother relatively cheaper than PC, The old system worked fine, you put up a contract, and then you battled a little later. To suggest the community isn't big enough for corp battles, yet big enough for a more expensive player made "corp battle" is ridiculous. Not to mention corp battles will be fair, equal amounts of clones on both sides, this thunder dome proposal doesn't address that issue (along with many others). Sorry Kane, but I am requesting that the CPM0 push to have corp battles back. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1673	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:59:00 - [54] - Quote Why do you treat this as an either/or proposition, Spartacus? Do you know for a fact that CPM aren't pushing for corp battles? It's not like Spero can make corp battles exist again. But he can set up a system on Bosena. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2979	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:28:00 - [55] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: or the CPM0 could simply insist that corp battles come back since a lot of the community does want it back. It is relatively cheaper and you can train a lot more doing corp battles. The community has stated loud and clear the desire for old corp battles and I know that I favor the return of that type of gameplay, but that doesn't mean it will happen or happen any time soon. Right now though we have an opportunity to create the environment ourselves. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:43:00 - [56] - Quote Sounds like what PFC was suppose to be and doing for the most part except there is no fee being paid for protection. As far as a district being flipped or rules broken, it seems as if all the power that be could/would throw an A team at the offending corp and flip it back. Now, why won't this work on PFC? Why must there be a fee to play and stay there?
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2979	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:54:00 - [57] - Quote Oddeluf is for less established corps and the PFC Fund is a reserve in case someone gets a wild hair to burn PFC. The fund is already established and paid for. The PFC council agreed to set it up where contributions to the fund would only be needed if the fund is reduced below the reserve through defense or enforcement. The fund gives defense to the PFC council and backing to its rulings. Bosena would be for more established corps and be open to even land holders. Just as the original PFC worked of the basis of mutually assured destruction in the case of someone trying to flip districts the same would apply to Thunderdome. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1422	Posted - 2014.03.11 19:15:00 - [58] - Quote I think Kane setting up a system on bosena means he is in his lame duck period on the CPM. Now he's on track to doing what got him offered the position: setting up tournaments. I hope this can come to fruition so set those up again. Player-run things like this have had my interest, but certain things cough PFC cough eventually have a loss of interest in the people trying to keep it organized. Escrow is the third iteration of enforcers. But there will always be the guys out there that want to oppose the plan. I support non-interference from my corp (to which I have no speaking power or authority) in this endeavor. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 303	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:01:00 - [59] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Sounds like what PFC was suppose to be and doing for the most part except there is no fee being paid for protection. As far as a district being flipped or rules broken, it seems as if all the power that be could/would throw an A team at the offending corp and flip it back. Now, why won't this work on PFC? Why must there be a fee to play and stay there? wtf are you talking about. PFC was run exactly that way until NF recently took over. It didn't work. People farmed, abused, and used PFC to attack PC (Example: AE) And what ***** powers that be? How about let's say specifically whose in charge of this game: It's AE, NF, FA. These are the 'powers that be' The rest would get removed by these corps instantly if they didn't hire one of them to defend against the other. Now of these 3 corps - which would be willing to sacrifice logistics and time to maintain a community run project for free for the rest of there time as a top corp in Dust? It's a damn job. Being a top corp ALONE makes this game near a job for logistical players - and they're the ones who take the work load of keeping PFC clean. It is not a job anyone will do long without compensation. But your damn ass doesn't want to compensate people with digital space money. You'd rather just cry and *** and complain. Stop. Posting.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2982	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:26:00 - [60] - Quote A tentative deal has been reached with Nyain San to convert Bosena into Thunderdome. We hope to start getting districts available for people to set up on the planet this week. If you are interested in being on Thunderdome please send me a mail in-game to "Kane Spero" or respond on this thread. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news



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