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Lethal Assassin 47 wrote:

General12912 wrote:

Lethal Assassin 47 wrote:

General12912 wrote:

lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though.

I feel they will add to our play style. With how cloaking looks, at least in this game, there's a long duration for it (60 seconds for ADV/CD of 30 seconds), so that would allow us to move around the map to find perches on an objective. We can play defense, support offensively, or go in for the hack, set up RE, etc. In case we get shot at and survive, we can also re-cloak and change positions. This is actually my alt that I plan on running the Caldari Scout with and sniping before I decide to point any points further into my main sniper character (brick tank one). Even though there's a nerf to damage mods, I'll see how it goes with the build I'm making. I'm thinking of still using 3 dmg mods + precision enhancer on the highs, maybe plates on the lows or a dampener, depending. Coupled with a MagSec SMG, which has 40m optimal range in case ppl get close, it could work.

heh, just remember, the cloaking device wont likely fit on a standard scout without skilling into dropsuit electronics/engineering.

I'm good lol. I'll have 17M SP on this char come 1.8. I have to see how much CPU/PG everything is come the patch since things might change. This is how I'd fit my proto suit. I'm not sure how I'll work things into my STD or ADV suits without being a gimp lol.

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Lethal Assassin 47 R 0 N 1 N 5	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:37:00 - [1] - Quote In this post, I examine the mechanics and arsenal of other games ' infiltrators and snipers and how it makes them effective at their roles. I also compare it to what we have in DUST. In doing so, we can improve upon what we have. The following videos show how effective the Infiltrator (our Scout) is in CQC in PS2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2SymlgFrY8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UddaDW5m4Y Equipment Recon Darts - a tool that the Infiltrator can shoot that lets him see who is on the mini-map that happens to come in the vicinity of it's scan range. Multiple darts can be shot into the surrounding environment that allow him to see enemy movement within the objective. At max proficiency, it is a crucial asset to a team. What we have now in DUST is the Active Scanner. Though this is a great piece of equipment, additional tools to consider having in the game would be equipment similar to the Motion Sensors and Motion Detect devices from the Recon class in the Battlefield series. Motion Detect Sensors - These are thrown much like a grenade, which pulses within an area from it's landing point (24m radius) for a short duration of time. This essentially lights up targets and gives your team the recon needed to know where your enemy is on the fly. Motion Sensor Device (TUGS) - This is a stationary device that picks up enemy movement nearby. With these, one can relay recon to their team mates on the move or on a given choke point for as long as they are active. The stationary sensors can be fluxed or shot to counter the e-war. In the realm of DUST, they can be made to be able to detect down to a certain dB, making it balanced with the whole dampening schematic. Cloak - The cloak is the lifeblood of the Infiltrator class, as it should be. It allows them to sneak into enemy territory to gain ground, hack objectives, and flank almost unnoticed. The ability to uncloak and re-cloak in a timely manner as well as its duration is what increases a Scout's survivability. It's balanced because there's a slight shimmer you can see as they move, and uncloaking also leaves you vulnerable to being seen and shot. You become a hunter that methodically picks his movement and approach to targets. Months ago, I suggested to Nova Knife that the key things to pay attention to with the implementation of cloaking is cloak duration and cool-down timers. Since the Scout suits are receiving a bonus to cloak field per level, this falls in line with that idea, though it'll depend on how it's implemented. Additionally, it is much harder for other classes to fit a cloak without making some major sacrifice, which gives the Scout a distinct identity on the battlefield. C-4/RE - another essential part of our arsenal that allows to do SPEC-Ops, hold objectives, take out infantry and armor. Weaponry The weapon of choice is in these videos is a SMG, which can doped with a silencer to reduce the likelihood of revealing his presence to the enemy - in most games u don't show up on the mini-map. Generally, silenced versions of weapons have less hip-fire accuracy and falloff damage. In DUST, the Magsec SMG will come out with a silenced version, which would be an excellent choice to have for a sneaky assassin engaging from the enemy's flank. The choice of weaponry, however, is up to the Scout when it comes to infiltration and assassination. Infiltrator - Medium to Long Range HP matters in DUST where in other games head shots are OHK. With the changes to TTK by reduction of damage mod percentages, proficiency, along with the influx of Heavies, dual-tanking will be prominent with this upcoming build, rendering weapons dependent on damage mods to be in a less useful state than ever before. In light of this, weapons like the Sniper Rifle are indirectly nerfed. Many necessary changes and fixes are needed to make it a viable weapon on the field, which the few remaining dedicated snipers and past snipers have suggested thoroughly on these forums. Some of these fixes and suggestions include: Fixing the rendering range so clones don't pop in and out of our sights when they hug the wall of a facility. Fixing the shield glitch animation that occurs when shooting targets that essentially make them receive no damage. Adding the ability for us to target paint enemies for assist points on top of having recon tools - allows us to spot targets for our team in case there is an incoming threat out of their LoS. Adding variable scopes for medium and long range sniping that we can toggle. Adding in a bolt action sniper rifle variant, along with semi-automatic ones in the form of Scout Rifles or DMR's. Adding the ability to hold breath to steady swaying while standing. Adding the ability for us to go prone. Increasing head shot multiplier damage to reward precision shots (suggested 300%, before proficiency and dmg mod change). Increasing base damage. Making maps that not only are bowl shaped, but have slightly elevated hills or mountains within the map, infrastructure that we can climb up into, and overall more variety in perches. Adjusting the red line (there are many posts about how to fix this, so I won't go into detail about it, but the ones about having a red/green zone, or barriers in/out I'm in favor of). Coupled with the recon tools, cloaking, and the suggested changes and additions to the sniper rifle arsenal, we can expect to see more snipers being mobile on the field and moving into more strategic positions to help their team than hiding in the red line. They'd be more vulnerable, but the high alpha dmg and added mechanics should level the playing field. Hope this gets to DEVs as an overhaul to Sniping is very much needed. With that end, here is some footage of effective snipers in action. PS2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqb0iCN6TD4 BF4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7c_0wdLJog
Maximillian Marquis Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 8	Posted - 2014.03.10 07:36:00 - [2] - Quote I like the idea's of defining the Infiltrator, Assassins and Snipers roles and giving them some more specialized tools for those specific roles. I absolutely LOVE the idea of being able to "paint" targets as a sniper. Snipers are not just all about the gun IRL, they are heavily entrenched with recon and "hunting". Think Spec Ops and you have a good idea of what I look for in sniping typically. Even more so considering the upcoming nerfs to the sniping game (this makes me sad, BUT I WONT QUIT YOU!!!). Great post
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 90	Posted - 2014.03.10 10:19:00 - [3] - Quote lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Lethal Assassin 47 R 0 N 1 N 9	Posted - 2014.03.12 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote General12912 wrote: lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though. I feel they will add to our play style. With how cloaking looks, at least in this game, there's a long duration for it 60 seconds, with a CD of 30 seconds, so that would allow us to move around the map to find perches on an objective. We can play defense, support offensively, or go in for the hack, set up RE, etc. This is actually my alt that I plan on running the Caldari Scout with and sniping before I decide to point any points further into my main sniper character (brick tank one). Even though there's a nerf to damage mods, I'll see how it goes with the build I'm making. I'm thinking of still using 3 dmg mods + precision enhancer on the highs, maybe plates on the lows or a dampener, depending. Coupled with a MagSec SMG, which has 40m optimal range in case ppl get close, it could work.
Lethal Assassin 47 R 0 N 1 N 9	Posted - 2014.03.12 07:41:00 - [5] - Quote Maximillian Marquis wrote: I like the idea's of defining the Infiltrator, Assassins and Snipers roles and giving them some more specialized tools for those specific roles. I absolutely LOVE the idea of being able to "paint" targets as a sniper. Snipers are not just all about the gun IRL, they are heavily entrenched with recon and "hunting". Think Spec Ops and you have a good idea of what I look for in sniping typically. Even more so considering the upcoming nerfs to the sniping game (this makes me sad, BUT I WONT QUIT YOU!!!). Great post I'm not giving up on this class. It's my favorite class to play in every PvE and PVP game I play, whether it be online competitively or offline casually. They are eventually going to be bringing the Minmitar Precision Rifle along with the rest of the SR variants sometime in the future, so I'm going to be patient and play games in between capping my main and my alt till then. I'm hopeful that they will revamp the SR's in the future instead of nerfing them each update come later this year or up to PC 2.0. For this character, I'm thinking of specing into Caldari Scout and putting 3 damage mods, a precision enhancer, plates or a dampener depending on the situation I plan on moving around with a charged sniper rifle in my main, with a MagSec as my secondary, with a cloak and hives as my equipment. Gonna experiment a little but I definitely want to try out a mobile fit. My main I'm thinking of going as a Caldari Commando as of now and building a similar fit, but for the +10 hybrid-rail damage ontop of level 5 proficiency against armor, with a secondary that wipes shields. I'm going to hold off on specing into this one though till I see some forum posts after 1.8 goes live. For now, feel free to msg me if you want to snipe with my main sometime.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 98	Posted - 2014.03.12 09:26:00 - [6] - Quote Lethal Assassin 47 wrote: General12912 wrote: lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though. I feel they will add to our play style. With how cloaking looks, at least in this game, there's a long duration for it (60 seconds for ADV/CD of 30 seconds), so that would allow us to move around the map to find perches on an objective. We can play defense, support offensively, or go in for the hack, set up RE, etc. In case we get shot at and survive, we can also re-cloak and change positions. This is actually my alt that I plan on running the Caldari Scout with and sniping before I decide to point any points further into my main sniper character (brick tank one). Even though there's a nerf to damage mods, I'll see how it goes with the build I'm making. I'm thinking of still using 3 dmg mods + precision enhancer on the highs, maybe plates on the lows or a dampener, depending. Coupled with a MagSec SMG, which has 40m optimal range in case ppl get close, it could work. heh, just remember, the cloaking device wont likely fit on a standard scout without skilling into dropsuit electronics/engineering. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 398	Posted - 2014.03.12 10:48:00 - [7] - Quote With the way you write .. your name suits you well. Nice job. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Lethal Assassin 47 R 0 N 1 N 11	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:01:00 - [8] - Quote General12912 wrote: Lethal Assassin 47 wrote: General12912 wrote: lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though. I feel they will add to our play style. With how cloaking looks, at least in this game, there's a long duration for it (60 seconds for ADV/CD of 30 seconds), so that would allow us to move around the map to find perches on an objective. We can play defense, support offensively, or go in for the hack, set up RE, etc. In case we get shot at and survive, we can also re-cloak and change positions. This is actually my alt that I plan on running the Caldari Scout with and sniping before I decide to point any points further into my main sniper character (brick tank one). Even though there's a nerf to damage mods, I'll see how it goes with the build I'm making. I'm thinking of still using 3 dmg mods + precision enhancer on the highs, maybe plates on the lows or a dampener, depending. Coupled with a MagSec SMG, which has 40m optimal range in case ppl get close, it could work. heh, just remember, the cloaking device wont likely fit on a standard scout without skilling into dropsuit electronics/engineering. I'm good lol. I'll have 17M SP on this char come 1.8. I have to see how much CPU/PG everything is come the patch since things might change. This is how I'd fit my proto suit. I'm not sure how I'll work things into my STD or ADV suits without being a gimp lol.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 100	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote Lethal Assassin 47 wrote: General12912 wrote: Lethal Assassin 47 wrote: General12912 wrote: lol i move around as a into stategic positions as a sniper right now, and cloaking fields arent even out yet. the cloaking fields will really help though. I feel they will add to our play style. With how cloaking looks, at least in this game, there's a long duration for it (60 seconds for ADV/CD of 30 seconds), so that would allow us to move around the map to find perches on an objective. We can play defense, support offensively, or go in for the hack, set up RE, etc. In case we get shot at and survive, we can also re-cloak and change positions. This is actually my alt that I plan on running the Caldari Scout with and sniping before I decide to point any points further into my main sniper character (brick tank one). Even though there's a nerf to damage mods, I'll see how it goes with the build I'm making. I'm thinking of still using 3 dmg mods + precision enhancer on the highs, maybe plates on the lows or a dampener, depending. Coupled with a MagSec SMG, which has 40m optimal range in case ppl get close, it could work. heh, just remember, the cloaking device wont likely fit on a standard scout without skilling into dropsuit electronics/engineering. I'm good lol. I'll have 17M SP on this char come 1.8. I have to see how much CPU/PG everything is come the patch since things might change. This is how I'd fit my proto suit. I'm not sure how I'll work things into my STD or ADV suits without being a gimp lol. i was going to do the same on my federation scout Gk.0. you really only need a bunch of enhanced dampeners anyways. its a shame that i wont be able to fit my cloaking device on my 'Valor' Scout G-1 though. i have around they same lifetime sp as you too. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:46:00 - [10] - Quote well said I completely agree with you on this, I just hope ccp pays attention and that we don't get the normal anti snipers posting on here. it's completely overlooked in dust that those of us who choose to snipe do it because we like it not because we "don't want to die" and we want to be an asset too.

ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 839	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:51:00 - [11] - Quote You think snipers and rogues need more assets? +1 Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Maximillian Marquis Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 14	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:07:00 - [12] - Quote Something else I would like to see (and has been somewhat eluded to with the new Magsec) would be options to silence our weapons. Seems trivial to the frontline guys, but there have been many times where an enemy sniper has snuck up near by and started sniping and the only reason that he didnt kill me was because I was not currently engaging targets, otherwise the sound would have given me away. Actually to expand on that idea outside the realm of just us Long Rangers....weapon modules/enhancements would be something I would like to see in general. More customization options. Scopes, Close Combat Optics, Silencers, Marker Lights (for target painting, not sure how to work it mechanically yet though) , perhaps even specialized ammo for those "special" targets. Back to the sniping side of things maybe a scope that deals with low light conditions.....there are times when I am at extreme ranges where its all but impossible to see due to lighting (this is rare, but happens from time to time). I dunno, just some different idea's that I have been mulling over. Great conversation so far, keep it up!
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 839	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:58:00 - [13] - Quote Maximillian Marquis wrote: Something else I would like to see (and has been somewhat eluded to with the new Magsec) would be options to silence our weapons. Seems trivial to the frontline guys, but there have been many times where an enemy sniper has snuck up near by and started sniping and the only reason that he didnt kill me was because I was not currently engaging targets, otherwise the sound would have given me away. Actually to expand on that idea outside the realm of just us Long Rangers....weapon modules/enhancements would be something I would like to see in general. More customization options. Scopes, Close Combat Optics, Silencers, Marker Lights (for target painting, not sure how to work it mechanically yet though) , perhaps even specialized ammo for those "special" targets. Back to the sniping side of things maybe a scope that deals with low light conditions.....there are times when I am at extreme ranges where its all but impossible to see due to lighting (this is rare, but happens from time to time). I dunno, just some different idea's that I have been mulling over. Great conversation so far, keep it up! TBH I have an easy time hunting snipers. Not just because of my passives but even when I can't detect them there rifle gives them away. The original magsec that will be released in 1.8 will not come with it's silencer (too bad though) but I would expect it's silenced variant to be released sometime in the future. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!


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