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Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 453	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:08:00 - [1] - Quote I enjoy the fact i'll die slower to be honest. But i won't enjoy using a weapon outclassed even in its optimal by ANY other weapon. Would a ROF buff help? Currently ROF for the AR is as follows: -assault :750 rpm -Breach:400 rpm -balac: 857 rpm What if it became: -assault:857 rpm -breach:750 rpm -balac: 1000 rpm The other racial weapons would still have range,but this would make the AR comperable within its own optimal. Someone else can do the maths. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:13:00 - [2] - Quote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 453	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:18:00 - [3] - Quote tander09 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 81	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:25:00 - [4] - Quote Actually, I have thought about this idea too. I mean, the weapon is outperformed in both range and damage per round. I guess at this point it would be better to make the weapon work as an SMG-styled rifle with higher rate of fire and overall DPS compared to the other racial variants. One question, though... Wouldn't this be better suited as a thread in the Featured requests board?
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 453	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:35:00 - [5] - Quote Kiso Okami wrote: Actually, I have thought about this idea too. I mean, the weapon is outperformed in both range and damage per round. I guess at this point it would be better to make the weapon work as an SMG-styled rifle with higher rate of fire and overall DPS compared to the other racial variants. One question, though... Wouldn't this be better suited as a thread in the Featured requests board? I'll repost it there then. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1520	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:05:00 - [6] - Quote While I think a RoF boost us needed, I'm not saying to make it super fast. Just fast enough to beat the other assault variants of every other rifle in its optimal. At the moment, ACR is better.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4942	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:08:00 - [7] - Quote Meee One wrote: Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. You, I like you. +1 *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4942	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:09:00 - [8] - Quote Joel II X wrote: While I think a RoF boost us needed, I'm not saying to make it super fast. Just fast enough to beat the other assault variants of every other rifle in its optimal. At the moment, ACR is better. At the moment the AR rifle is in a bad place even in its effective range. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10686	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:03:00 - [9] - Quote I agree with all of the changes but the breach. That breach RPM buff is excessive. That puts it at 563 DPS, and it's full-auto so you're going to get that automatically. It still has a very short clip size that empties in less than three seconds with that RoF, but that's an absurd amount of damage output. Putting a new RPM at 500-600 would work better. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:08:00 - [10] - Quote The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those!

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10688	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:14:00 - [11] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. No, it doesn't. The only difference MIGHT be light weapon operation but it's hardly the only one requiring it at 3 and the difference is marginal. Quote: ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! Oh yes, it's going to the bottom of the heap. Why should it be there? The reason is not SP, because the difference is so marginal if it even exists (which it doesn't, in many cases). Considering the HMG is going to be pretty much de facto the most powerful infantry weapon in 1.8 and heavies are going to be spammed left, right and centre I don't think you have to worry about that. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4946	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:14:00 - [12] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! I literally can not process the amount of stupidity in this one post. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 47	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:24:00 - [13] - Quote Is the AR really that bad? I do pretty well with a Militia AR in CQC. (Insert witty phrase here)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4946	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:28:00 - [14] - Quote Spartykins wrote: Is the AR really that bad? I do pretty well with a Militia AR in CQC. I do well with a plasma cannon. Plasma cannon must be fine. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2014.03.08 11:45:00 - [15] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! to max out no it doesn't, esp. leveling sharpshooter in addition to ammo and clip size, prof 5 and fit opt. 5. the bottom of the heap is a weak ass excuse, major reason being there is no reason to have useless weapons in the game. and are you kidding me? the hmg needs a boost?
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 656	Posted - 2014.03.08 12:24:00 - [16] - Quote If the AR doesn't get a slight boost, the assault variants of the other weapons need a nerf. And I say that as a purely Amarrian weapon user. My Assault Scrambler Rifle shouldn't out perform the Gallente Assault Rifle (except for range), it should just give me a full-auto option for when I need to spam shots. I'm of the opinion that the variant rifles (tact, breach, assault, burst) of any race are for giving people options within that one weapon system, as some of us don't want to have to spec four different rifles. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Scheherazade VII 310	Posted - 2014.03.08 13:47:00 - [17] - Quote Meee One wrote: I enjoy the fact i'll die slower to be honest. But i won't enjoy using a weapon outclassed even in its optimal by ANY other weapon. Would a ROF buff help? Currently ROF for the AR is as follows: -assault :750 rpm -Breach:400 rpm -balac: 857 rpm What if it became: -assault:857 rpm -breach:750 rpm -balac: 1000 rpm The other racial weapons would still have range,but this would make the AR comperable within its own optimal. Someone else can do the maths. i would much rather the RR got a range nerf and the CR to be the one that gets the RoF nerf.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1943	Posted - 2014.03.08 13:53:00 - [18] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Terrible logic. Almost CCP worthy. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 342	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:26:00 - [19] - Quote Short answer: no long answer: yes Unleash the Fogwoggler
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 532	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:49:00 - [20] - Quote It could work but I feel that it should just get a damage bonus depending on range, like an extra 25% damage within 10 meters, and a skill to improve this (starting at 0% with 5% increase up to 25%). Perhaps the AR could get another proficiency skill that could either modify the damage within a certain range, or modify the range at which the AR does more damage. This may be unclear but basically what I think should happen is that the AR should get a massive damage bonus modifier within 10-20 meters.

tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:49:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: tander09 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. You gallente scum always want to be the most dominant faction! That is why you complain until you get what you want! There is a REASON why we amarr are the strongest faction in new eden! Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10722	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:58:00 - [22] - Quote tander09 wrote: Meee One wrote: tander09 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. You gallente scum always want to be the most dominant faction! That is why you complain until you get what you want! There is a REASON why we amarr are the strongest faction in new eden! Fun fact: The Amarrians are poorer than the Gallente. The Gallente have the strongest economy in New Eden. If you want to try and prove you're the strongest faction though, go ahead. I'm sure you'll fare so much better against the Federation than against the Republic. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2014.03.08 15:08:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: tander09 wrote: Meee One wrote: tander09 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. You gallente scum always want to be the most dominant faction! That is why you complain until you get what you want! There is a REASON why we amarr are the strongest faction in new eden! Fun fact: The Amarrians are poorer than the Gallente. The Gallente have the strongest economy in New Eden. If you want to try and prove you're the strongest faction though, go ahead. I'm sure you'll fare so much better against the Federation than against the Republic. We had the BALLS To go up against the Joves(even though we lost), unlike you sissies! Go play 'murrica somewhere else. Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 462	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:55:00 - [24] - Quote tander09 wrote: Meee One wrote: tander09 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA no. Yes,i'm totally going to take the opinion of someone with AMARRIAN4LYFE! in their signature when it comes to Gallente weapons. You gallente scum always want to be the most dominant faction! That is why you complain until you get what you want! There is a REASON why we amarr are the strongest faction in new eden! I'm not asking for the power to overcome your range advantage, i'm asking for the power to be the best at our optimal range. Gallente should be feared in CQC situations. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:02:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. No, it doesn't. The only difference MIGHT be light weapon operation but it's hardly the only one requiring it at 3 and the difference is marginal. Quote: ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! Oh yes, it's going to the bottom of the heap. Why should it be there? The reason is not SP, because the difference is so marginal if it even exists (which it doesn't, in many cases). Considering the HMG is going to be pretty much de facto the most powerful infantry weapon in 1.8 and heavies are going to be spammed left, right and centre I don't think you have to worry about that. the AR does indeed require the LEAST amount of SP to use the weapon. I am not sure if it is the only weapon but it is one of very few that only requires weapon operation 1.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10759	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:12:00 - [26] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. No, it doesn't. The only difference MIGHT be light weapon operation but it's hardly the only one requiring it at 3 and the difference is marginal. Quote: ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! Oh yes, it's going to the bottom of the heap. Why should it be there? The reason is not SP, because the difference is so marginal if it even exists (which it doesn't, in many cases). Considering the HMG is going to be pretty much de facto the most powerful infantry weapon in 1.8 and heavies are going to be spammed left, right and centre I don't think you have to worry about that. the AR does indeed require the LEAST amount of SP to use the weapon. I am not sure if it is the only weapon but it is one of very few that only requires weapon operation 1. Oh hey, a marginal SP difference of about three matches in pre-requisites. You're completely right. That should absolutely mean that the weapon should be trash. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:12:00 - [27] - Quote In all honesty i hope to fill buckets with the tears of everyone using a AR. For far too long this weapon has been the master of nearly every range short of sniper. It was such a good weapon that i skilled into it to proto level so i could truly melt face with my heavy suit and it worked amazingly well. I won't feel bad at all if it is outclassed by literally every weapon even pistols you all had it coming just like the flaylocks and the TAK AR.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10759	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:14:00 - [28] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: In all honesty i hope to fill buckets with the tears of everyone using a AR. For far too long this weapon has been the master of nearly every range short of sniper. It was such a good weapon that i skilled into it to proto level so i could truly melt face with my heavy suit and it worked amazingly well. I won't feel bad at all if it is outclassed by literally every weapon even pistols you all had it coming just like the flaylocks and the TAK AR. Ah yes. Retributive balancing. If something was good for a time, it is imperative that it must be terrible forever after that time. This is why we can't have nice things. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3427	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:14:00 - [29] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! I literally can not process the amount of stupidity in this one post. It's like playing Where's Waldo at a Waldo convention Too many! I tried Redline Railgunning
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3427	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:15:00 - [30] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: In all honesty i hope to fill buckets with the tears of everyone using a AR. For far too long this weapon has been the master of nearly every range short of sniper. It was such a good weapon that i skilled into it to proto level so i could truly melt face with my heavy suit and it worked amazingly well. I won't feel bad at all if it is outclassed by literally every weapon even pistols you all had it coming just like the flaylocks and the TAK AR. Wow because CCP introduced it as the only rifle in beta that means we should forever gimp it with the mark of shame like God did to Cain. First OP weapon, forever gimped. I tried Redline Railgunning

Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:15:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Thurak1 wrote: The AR takes the LEAST amount of sp's to max out the skill tree. No, it doesn't. The only difference MIGHT be light weapon operation but it's hardly the only one requiring it at 3 and the difference is marginal. Quote: ROF buff not needed weapon is finally going to be closer to where it should be, the bottom of the heap. Now if only we could get the HMG and forge more of a boost given how much of a sp sink it is just to skill into those! Oh yes, it's going to the bottom of the heap. Why should it be there? The reason is not SP, because the difference is so marginal if it even exists (which it doesn't, in many cases). Considering the HMG is going to be pretty much de facto the most powerful infantry weapon in 1.8 and heavies are going to be spammed left, right and centre I don't think you have to worry about that. the AR does indeed require the LEAST amount of SP to use the weapon. I am not sure if it is the only weapon but it is one of very few that only requires weapon operation 1. Oh hey, a marginal SP difference of about three matches in pre-requisites. You're completely right. That should absolutely mean that the weapon should be trash. Darn right dont want to spend the sp you dont get the kills. Thats what this whole game is based on isn't it? Getting SP to get better gear to get an advantage on the bf. If there was no reason to skill into better gear we would all be running around in militia gear and have no reason to spend any isk or even gain sp's.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:16:00 - [32] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Thurak1 wrote: In all honesty i hope to fill buckets with the tears of everyone using a AR. For far too long this weapon has been the master of nearly every range short of sniper. It was such a good weapon that i skilled into it to proto level so i could truly melt face with my heavy suit and it worked amazingly well. I won't feel bad at all if it is outclassed by literally every weapon even pistols you all had it coming just like the flaylocks and the TAK AR. Wow because CCP introduced it as the only rifle in beta that means we should forever gimp it with the mark of shame like God did to Cain. First OP weapon, forever gimped. What you havent aquired enough sp's since beta to get something that isnt crap?
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3428	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:19:00 - [33] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: What you havent aquired enough sp's since beta to get something that isnt crap? I have 18+ million and have level 4 prof and a lot of level 3s in the others. I have more SP put into the AR than you need in a Combat Rifle to make it better than what I currently have. You come up with the most flawed of arguments, that it just goes beyond me. I tried Redline Railgunning
CeCo Macino Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:01:00 - [34] - Quote I told that before in you sugestion thread, nope just put skill in full AR specs and you will see what shreder it can be boyo Support - Tactician/Support Sebiestor - Tinker
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 227	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:07:00 - [35] - Quote Meee One wrote: I enjoy the fact i'll die slower to be honest. But i won't enjoy using a weapon outclassed even in its optimal by ANY other weapon. Would a ROF buff help? Currently ROF for the AR is as follows: -assault :750 rpm -Breach:400 rpm -balac: 857 rpm What if it became: -assault:857 rpm -breach:750 rpm -balac: 1000 rpm The other racial weapons would still have range,but this would make the AR comperable within its own optimal. Someone else can do the maths. +1 even though im ammarian Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 885	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:11:00 - [36] - Quote I just have one question. Why 857? Why so specific? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 576	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:15:00 - [37] - Quote No, there's no need to buff the RPM of the weapon, especially not to the levels you're talking about. Current DPS stats are as follows for 1.8 BAR = 300 Proto = 330 AR = 375 RR = 361 ARR = 374 AScR = 382 ACR = 400 It already deals more (albeit a tiny amount) DPS than the RR and ARR in their optimals. You would have them do BAR 562.5 AR = 428.5 These values are greater even than the DPS we have now, that's a big fat negatory there. As it stands now with the new values the proto AR will be doing 412 DPS and the proto RR will be doing sub 400 still at 397 if i recall. ARs already will be doing better in their optimals than Rails, that's all good. However if you want to talk about the Breaches, I have a fewthreads made already here.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2580	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:18:00 - [38] - Quote But then it would do one thing better then the other rifles. I suggested this awhile ago, and people crapped their pants. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1487	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:47:00 - [39] - Quote I'm honestly just hoping they give a respec so I can get back the ~4m SP I've spent into ARs. The CR currently outclasses the AR in almost every aspect and will even more so come 1.8. I'm baffled that CCP saw fit to nerf the damn BREACH AR... seriously? Let me play you the song of my people!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3377	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:52:00 - [40] - Quote Newsflash!! You cant balance the weapons so that they equal each other!! The ARs still do damage and you can still do well with them. Enough of these buffs, OP, UP and nerf talks with weapons. Seriously. We just sitting in a loop here. Can we start progressing instead of trying to make all the weapons "fair"? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?



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