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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4519
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:29:00 -
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So I've known that the Caldari were a mix between Americans and the Japanese, but I never understood how this could be. Though, I finally figured it out.
Prepare for rambling.
Most people when they think of American culture tend to see consumerism, but they forget that efficiency is also a factor. For example, why do you think in America we(me not being one but living here) use ready to cook meals, drive short distances, wake up early yet sleep late, wear Sweat pants when not doing exercise? The answer is efficiency.
Americans do not like to waste time on impractical things, economically speaking, at least the greater culture does not. For example the French(the proto-Gallante), are meticulous on creating things, buying things and how they spend their lives and also what they do. In France people people tend to prefer jobs that give them more leisure time, require less work and would even loose a bit of their paycheck to achieve this. This is not so in America. Here people value high paying jobs. It doesn't matter if you have vacation days, holidays or an enjoyable career; the bottom line is the bottom line of your checking account.
Japanese and Chinese culture also significantly changed how the Caldari function. The influence of communism in China and the imperialistic nature of old Japan influenced the militaristic ways of the Caldari. As well as the Asian cultural motivation of achieving high education, getting a good career and making your family proudalso factored in. Also, Japan lacks most resources, it is mostly an Isand made of stone and is hard to farm and also lacks natural materials to harvest.
So in short the Caldari are influenced economically by American efficiency, American sociopolitical expectations, Asian educational pressure, and the Japanese lack of resources.
Though there is one last thing that was common in both America and in Far East Asia during WWII, and that is the war time economy. The Caldari State is more or less stuck in a permanent war economy. The State is small, the smallest of the four Empires. This means that to protect it self the State must have a conscripted military and they must also have the latest military equipment available. While the Gallante don't, the Gallante have just about always had a volunteer military and so despite the Gallante Empire being much larger than the Caldari, devotes less money and people to national defense. For the Caldari this means things are always in short demand; the Caldari don't have the surplus amount of materials to engage in creative non-efficienct projects. So in essence the reason the Caldari are so boring is because they are too busy surviving to do much else and lack the resources to.do it even if they were secure, while the Gallante are fairly protected and have the resources and money to.be silly and extravagant.
It all makes sense now!
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Skare-Krow
CANNIBALS RISING
15
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:41:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:So I've known that the Caldari were a mix between Americans and the Japanese, but I never understood how this could be. Though, I finally figured it out. Prepare for rambling. Most people when they think of American culture tend to see consumerism, but they forget that efficiency is also a factor. For example, why do you think in America we(me not being one but living here) use ready to cook meals, drive short distances, wake up early yet sleep late, wear Sweat pants when not doing exercise? The answer is efficiency. Americans do not like to waste time on impractical things, economically speaking, at least the greater culture does not. For example the French(the proto-Gallante), are meticulous on creating things, buying things and how they spend their lives and also what they do. In France people people tend to prefer jobs that give them more leisure time, require less work and would even loose a bit of their paycheck to achieve this. This is not so in America. Here people value high paying jobs. It doesn't matter if you have vacation days, holidays or an enjoyable career; the bottom line is the bottom line of your checking account. Japanese and Chinese culture also significantly changed how the Caldari function. The influence of communism in China and the imperialistic nature of old Japan influenced the militaristic ways of the Caldari. As well as the Asian cultural motivation of achieving high education, getting a good career and making your family proudalso factored in. Also, Japan lacks most resources, it is mostly an Isand made of stone and is hard to farm and also lacks natural materials to harvest. So in short the Caldari are influenced economically by American efficiency, American sociopolitical expectations, Asian educational pressure, and the Japanese lack of resources. Though there is one last thing that was common in both America and in Far East Asia during WWII, and that is the war time economy. The Caldari State is more or less stuck in a permanent war economy. The State is small, the smallest of the four Empires. This means that to protect it self the State must have a conscripted military and they must also have the latest military equipment available. While the Gallante don't, the Gallante have just about always had a volunteer military and so despite the Gallante Empire being much larger than the Caldari, devotes less money and people to national defense. For the Caldari this means things are always in short demand; the Caldari don't have the surplus amount of materials to engage in creative non-efficienct projects. So in essence the reason the Caldari are so boring is because they are too busy surviving to do much else and lack the resources to.do it even if they were secure, while the Gallante are fairly protected and have the resources and money to.be silly and extravagant. It all makes sense now!
it clear states in the evelopedia that the caldar is based on the 20th century japan, not america. i have the link to back up my claim
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Views_of_the_Caldari
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1937
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:33:00 -
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Soooooo.......
We're boring?
Since when?
TBH, the Gallente are the most "boring" race. So stereotypical hero style. Cookie cutter from every other "Hero" Faction from COD to Assassin's Creed. Freedom will make all the things better!
Back on topic, I feel this is the thing that makes us Interesting. It breaks the mold of most faction design motifs, which is what I feel the Gallente suffer from.
They honor work and aim not for the betterment themselves, but the state, the society as a whole, at the cost of the individual.
I personally honor that idea, that people should work to make the lives of everybody easier, better.
More efficient.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Hawk-eye Occultus
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
66
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:43:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Soooooo.......
We're boring?
Since when?
TBH, the Gallente are the most "boring" race. So stereotypical hero style. Cookie cutter from every other "Hero" Faction from COD to Assassin's Creed. Freedom will make all the things better!
Back on topic, I feel this is the thing that makes us Interesting. It breaks the mold of most faction design motifs, which is what I feel the Gallente suffer from.
They honor work and aim not for the betterment themselves, but the state, the society as a whole, at the cost of the individual.
I personally honor that idea, that people should work to make the lives of everybody easier, better.
More efficient.
Yeah, but the Gallente are "The Masters of Pleasure"...
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Skare-Krow
CANNIBALS RISING
15
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:02:00 -
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Hawk-eye Occultus wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Soooooo.......
We're boring?
Since when?
TBH, the Gallente are the most "boring" race. So stereotypical hero style. Cookie cutter from every other "Hero" Faction from COD to Assassin's Creed. Freedom will make all the things better!
Back on topic, I feel this is the thing that makes us Interesting. It breaks the mold of most faction design motifs, which is what I feel the Gallente suffer from.
They honor work and aim not for the betterment themselves, but the state, the society as a whole, at the cost of the individual.
I personally honor that idea, that people should work to make the lives of everybody easier, better.
More efficient. Yeah, but the Gallente are "The Masters of Pleasure"...
some say masters of pleasure others call it corruption
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1279
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:12:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Soooooo.......
We're boring?
Since when?
TBH, the Gallente are the most "boring" race. So stereotypical hero style. Cookie cutter from every other "Hero" Faction from COD to Assassin's Creed. Freedom will make all the things better!
Back on topic, I feel this is the thing that makes us Interesting. It breaks the mold of most faction design motifs, which is what I feel the Gallente suffer from.
They honor work and aim not for the betterment themselves, but the state, the society as a whole, at the cost of the individual.
I personally honor that idea, that people should work to make the lives of everybody easier, better.
More efficient.
Gallente is cookie cutter, along with the Amarr, and Minmatar.
The righteous, the religious, and the rugged.
Despite being a "cookie cutter," Gallente aren't one-sided boring by any means... On the surface, the government comes off as a freedom-tastic body of representatives but when you dig past the shallow depictions, you realize that the Gallente government is very corrupt and the Gallente people are pretty ignorant when they wanna be. The Black Eagle play big brother and are some of the most fiercest groups out there. Most Gallente think Caldari to be a menace and have extreme racial tension with the people, when they're just as bad as them.
As far as our economy goes, capitalism is only as bad as the people make it. You're not forced to help anyone but if you want a piece of that Gallente dream, you gotta be willing to fight for it.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
2504
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:50:00 -
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You could argue all the races are cookie cutter until you dig deeper and find all the empires have crazy depth to them. I only went amarr because i found the idea of religon and fudsalim in the space age fascinating.
The federation can be just as intresting to anyone when you start digging into how much freedom cam u have under the rule of the mob
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
645
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:42:00 -
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Good job I agree yet the "boring" part is a big nono
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4521
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:06:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Good job I agree yet the "boring" part is a big nono I just mean that Caldari life is monotonous. You study, you work on the basis that not doing so would keep you irrelevant in the Galaxy. Compared to the other Empires the Caldari have to work the hardest to achieve. The Amarr can simply use Slaves as manual labor, which gives them free time. The Gallante use immigrants as labor and so the higher ups in society are given more leisure time. In the Minmatar Republic, they have so many natural resources they don't really have to manufacture goods, they can just sell the raw materials. The Caldari don't have slaves, a large immigrant population, or raw materials. This means that everybody has to work near full time.
Sounds rather monotonous to me.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
645
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:55:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Good job I agree yet the "boring" part is a big nono I just mean that Caldari life is monotonous. You study, you work on the basis that not doing so would keep you irrelevant in the Galaxy. Compared to the other Empires the Caldari have to work the hardest to achieve. The Amarr can simply use Slaves as manual labor, which gives them free time. The Gallante use immigrants as labor and so the higher ups in society are given more leisure time. In the Minmatar Republic, they have so many natural resources they don't really have to manufacture goods, they can just sell the raw materials. The Caldari don't have slaves, a large immigrant population, or raw materials. This means that everybody has to work near full time. Sounds rather monotonous to me. You have yet to understand The Way. You must dig deeper only then can you see the beauty of the State. We work hard to give future generations a better life. And we are not built on a wartime economy. Just look at most of the medical and cloning tech out there. It's almost entirely Caldari.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Skare-Krow
CANNIBALS RISING
17
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Good job I agree yet the "boring" part is a big nono I just mean that Caldari life is monotonous. You study, you work on the basis that not doing so would keep you irrelevant in the Galaxy. Compared to the other Empires the Caldari have to work the hardest to achieve. The Amarr can simply use Slaves as manual labor, which gives them free time. The Gallante use immigrants as labor and so the higher ups in society are given more leisure time. In the Minmatar Republic, they have so many natural resources they don't really have to manufacture goods, they can just sell the raw materials. The Caldari don't have slaves, a large immigrant population, or raw materials. This means that everybody has to work near full time. Sounds rather monotonous to me.
in caldari society you work hard to keep your position within the corporation as competition is frequent and is even encouraged, the caldari have little to none ethic they will use slave labor if permitted / legal in their current system/ constellation and so fourth. their is more than you work for the corporation's and thats your life, there is such a thing as the way and using underhanded tactics to improve ones position in the corporation and society. They are heavily orientated towards their honour and duty, they sacrifice their individual wants and needs for the good of the corporation/ society. The honour of their family is also very important to them as a single member of their family can stain the honour / integrity of the family name basically giving the family a bad bloods taint. they are really like Japanese culture, i dont see how that can be monotonous there is so much in depth when you actually start to look
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
349
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:17:00 -
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You think gallente is just french,but i think they are the whole eu-area
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8069
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Posted - 2014.03.10 08:12:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:You think gallente is just french,but i think they are the whole eu-area
Their influence is primarily French as you can see in the name of their systems and corporations..... but yeah the European Union is essentially the case.
Still an ethnic and religious melting pot just like the Gallente. Who are in fact a very religious Empire.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
- Malleus Malificorum
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
801
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:20:00 -
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Quick add on the Caldari culture.
There are quite few northern euro / Scandinavian components in their language and phenotypes. I believe the specific taxonomy of the Caldanese language contains Finnish tones as per some comments by EVE Devs.
Having engaged on this topic a fair amount over the last year the key point to remember is that there may be clear overtones and themes we can draw from different existing cultures but there are very few direct connections. For example, the Caldari have themes that resonate with Japanese, Germanic / Nordic, and American cultures....that doesn't mean it's a direct decedent necessarily of any of them.
You'll notice a mixture of contemporary cultural themes across the board in races.
For my subject assessment on the Caldari:
The do get a strong sense of corporate identity, collectivism, and honor structure that ties heavily back to East Asian cultures. This is also somewhat reflected in their religious practices and language.
There is a clear and distinct vein of Germanic / Nordic influence that also is reflected in the Civire bloodline. Focused, militaristic, hard workers that can function well independently and as part of a organized structure.
Finally, there are some Western (i.e. American) components in the competitive culture of success at all facets of life reflected in the everything from deeply pervasive sports and betting leagues to the near autonomous nature of the Caldari Corps to the point they essentially nation-states in the Westphalian sense on their own. Just a quick note, from a business history perspective the Japanese copied the American corporate model and built on it however in recent times the western model corporations are far surpassing their eastern counterparts in many measurable standings.
All of this is a net effect of the genesis of the Caldari culture. Start with the fact that they are all descendant from several venture capital, mining, and exploration projects from corporations in the Terran system. These corps probably were from all over the Terran culture and they reflect that fusion now.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
359
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:56:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Quick add on the Caldari culture.
There are quite few northern euro / Scandinavian components in their language and phenotypes. I believe the specific taxonomy of the Caldanese language contains Finnish tones as per some comments by EVE Devs.
Having engaged on this topic a fair amount over the last year the key point to remember is that there may be clear overtones and themes we can draw from different existing cultures but there are very few direct connections. For example, the Caldari have themes that resonate with Japanese, Germanic / Nordic, and American cultures....that doesn't mean it's a direct decedent necessarily of any of them.
You'll notice a mixture of contemporary cultural themes across the board in races.
For my subject assessment on the Caldari:
The do get a strong sense of corporate identity, collectivism, and honor structure that ties heavily back to East Asian cultures. This is also somewhat reflected in their religious practices and language.
There is a clear and distinct vein of Germanic / Nordic influence that also is reflected in the Civire bloodline. Focused, militaristic, hard workers that can function well independently and as part of a organized structure.
Finally, there are some Western (i.e. American) components in the competitive culture of success at all facets of life reflected in the everything from deeply pervasive sports and betting leagues to the near autonomous nature of the Caldari Corps to the point they essentially nation-states in the Westphalian sense on their own. Just a quick note, from a business history perspective the Japanese copied the American corporate model and built on it however in recent times the western model corporations are far surpassing their eastern counterparts in many measurable standings.
All of this is a net effect of the genesis of the Caldari culture. Start with the fact that they are all descendant from several venture capital, mining, and exploration projects from corporations in the Terran system. These corps probably were from all over the Terran culture and they reflect that fusion now.
I know bcause im ethnic finn,and in new eden has place like kalevala and kalevale is Finland's national epic But i think ccp has borrowed a lot from many places around the world.But that is good bcause of the lore of new eden
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
378
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:16:00 -
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And here I am still waiting for the creepy torture sex fictions
Unleash the Fogwoggler
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8162
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:29:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:And here I am still waiting for the creepy torture sex fictions
You seriously dont want to know what the Gallente get up to.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
- Malleus Malificorum
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Hawk-eye Occultus
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
73
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:55:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:And here I am still waiting for the creepy torture sex fictions
Fictions?
I'll have you know that what happens in the scraggly nightclub down crystal boulevard is real, and affects hundreds of people every day...
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4576
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Posted - 2014.03.13 01:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Hynox Xitio wrote:And here I am still waiting for the creepy torture sex fictions You seriously dont want to know what the Gallente get up to. Up to? More like underneath of. Seriously though, the Gallante are the masters of pleasure and a side effect is that they're also the masters of pain and discomfort. The Gallante make you regret not fighting to the death when you had the chance. Make no mistake, the Gallante always give quarter to those that surrender, but death, a quick death, is always better than the Gallante interrogators.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Hawk-eye Occultus
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
74
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Posted - 2014.03.13 07:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Hynox Xitio wrote:And here I am still waiting for the creepy torture sex fictions You seriously dont want to know what the Gallente get up to. Up to? More like underneath of. Seriously though, the Gallante are the masters of pleasure and a side effect is that they're also the masters of pain and discomfort. The Gallante make you regret not fighting to the death when you had the chance. Make no mistake, the Gallante always give quarter to those that surrender, but death, a quick death, is always better than the Gallante interrogators.
It happened!
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Surman Suuhun
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
0
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Posted - 2014.03.16 07:25:00 -
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Caldari are Finnish to. As in Finland.
GÇ£You may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honour.GÇ¥
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4672
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:46:00 -
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Surman Suuhun wrote:Caldari are Finnish to. As in Finland . U wut m8?
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