DUST Search - Headshot = Instant Death

Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:

Meeko Fent wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote:

It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death.

Typically, helmets are the most durable part of any protective set of clothing, no?

Not really...

Saw this guy test a 9mm on a old WW2 helmet, and a Modern Kevlar helmet.

Same result. Bullet went through.

This is the future mind you, but just thought to let you know. Probably our shields that can protect us from lighting aflame from shooting our Sunspitters can handle a shot or two.

Plus, We have some (apparently VERY) strong armor beneath our shields, that can hand the heat as well. And getting shot be a high intensity laser multiple times.

thats the thing, it depends on the caliber(9mm) and type of round he used, and the fact that the helmets are designed for stopping shrapnel not bullets the WW2 hemet was designed to help prevent injury from airburst and other forms of artilery, and the kevlar helmets of today are more for IEDs and other explosives, thats why the vests and plate carriers have both kevlar and ceramic/steel plates in them

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Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress Maphia Clan Corporation 23	Posted - 2014.03.07 19:17:00 - [1] - Quote It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Dwelling on the past Struggling for the future ~ A Burning Life ~
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 338	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:14:00 - [2] - Quote Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Just because someone got shot in the head doesn't mean their dead, theres people who have survived being headshotted at point blank with a shotgun. By the simple laws of physics that doesn't even make sense, but yet it happens. I mean inertia suggests that your head should be physically gone, but yet it's not, EXPLAIN THIS WIZARDRY. Unleash the Fogwoggler
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 471	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:16:00 - [3] - Quote 1 shields 2 armor 3 skull destroying the brain(which causes death in a head-shot) requires the bullet to penetrate all 3 of those instant head shot would simply over encourage high rof weapons more than they currently are. Proud Christian Free stuff for the next account you make:)
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1839	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote I would say yes, but 1: We have a skull 2: We have a hard as helmet on 3: We have a protective force field that's just as hard, sometimes even harder than our hard ass helmets So no. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Billi Gene 499	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote sudden death=/= instant death [?] Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1998	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:59:00 - [6] - Quote Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Typically, helmets are the most durable part of any protective set of clothing, no?
Marc Rime 305	Posted - 2014.03.08 00:59:00 - [7] - Quote We have made-up space armour and energy shields. In fact, if we didn't, we'd die from the backscatter radiation produced by firing the made-up space weapons we use. Hell, there shouldn't even be a multiplier for headshots but I guess you can't make a FPS without it?
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 91	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:21:00 - [8] - Quote Not instant death, but once you get a headshot kill the clone should be terminated. It's not the case currently.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1888	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:33:00 - [9] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Just because someone got shot in the head doesn't mean their dead, theres people who have survived being headshotted at point blank with a shotgun. By the simple laws of physics that doesn't even make sense, but yet it happens. I mean inertia suggests that your head should be physically gone, but yet it's not, EXPLAIN THIS WIZARDRY. I knew a dude who put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He is still alive as far as I know but he doesn't look the same and he eats differntly. My 6th grade math teacher was shot in the neck, fell to the ground in a field and was envenomated by a venomous snake, walked home. She never went to the hospital. Things happen in odd ways. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
maka rax BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote Well your weapon would 1 shot them if it was good enough. You typically get 75% (just check the damage % next time on their body vs dome piece) more damage with a head shot...sooo I think everything is as it should be. Besides, 1 round from an SMG to the shield -> armor -> brain case wouldn't kill you...hell...take away the shields and it still probably wouldn't get through the armor.

Kitt 514 True North. 135	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:08:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, if anything, headshots shouldn't do any extra damage because of how damage is deflected in this game. But fun > lore.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 260	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:26:00 - [12] - Quote we are wearing full head gear which protects us from instant death, we have shields around us which prevent bodily harm, we have armoured suits to protect us aswell. technically, we do die from a single shot to the head ... heck we'll die if we walk funny if we have no armour or shields! so it makes perfect sense, and please dont make ccp implement an instant head shot kill :l or i .. will .. quit Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1933	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Typically, helmets are the most durable part of any protective set of clothing, no? Not really... Saw this guy test a 9mm on a old WW2 helmet, and a Modern Kevlar helmet. Same result. Bullet went through. This is the future mind you, but just thought to let you know. Probably our shields that can protect us from lighting aflame from shooting our Sunspitters can handle a shot or two. Plus, We have some (apparently VERY) strong armor beneath our shields, that can hand the heat as well. And getting shot be a high intensity laser multiple times. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1194	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:59:00 - [14] - Quote Unrealistic or not. Instakill headshots devaluate tank to near pointlessness and benefit high precision rapid fire weapons so much that everything else becomes a liability. More assault rifles, faster kills and fewer viable fitting choices are the three things Dust doesn't need right now. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 122	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:04:00 - [15] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Typically, helmets are the most durable part of any protective set of clothing, no? Not really... Saw this guy test a 9mm on a old WW2 helmet, and a Modern Kevlar helmet. Same result. Bullet went through. This is the future mind you, but just thought to let you know. Probably our shields that can protect us from lighting aflame from shooting our Sunspitters can handle a shot or two. Plus, We have some (apparently VERY) strong armor beneath our shields, that can hand the heat as well. And getting shot be a high intensity laser multiple times. thats the thing, it depends on the caliber(9mm) and type of round he used, and the fact that the helmets are designed for stopping shrapnel not bullets the WW2 hemet was designed to help prevent injury from airburst and other forms of artilery, and the kevlar helmets of today are more for IEDs and other explosives, thats why the vests and plate carriers have both kevlar and ceramic/steel plates in them ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1515	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:08:00 - [16] - Quote Um, no. That's why we have protection. BUT let's say you die from a headshot, you shouldn't be able to get back up. This, I could get behind.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 444	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:20:00 - [17] - Quote Speaking as a sniper, headshots should not be instant death, just as a shot to the spine shouldn't auto-paralyze your clone. You've got shields and armor to contend with. That said, if a headshot IS what finishes you off, after your shield and armor are depleted, you should be done and not able to be revived.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1937	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:22:00 - [18] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote: It should be pretty obvious, but here in DUST it is not, despite the Intro movie which says that the memory-transfering system works even in case of sudden death. Typically, helmets are the most durable part of any protective set of clothing, no? Not really... Saw this guy test a 9mm on a old WW2 helmet, and a Modern Kevlar helmet. Same result. Bullet went through. This is the future mind you, but just thought to let you know. Probably our shields that can protect us from lighting aflame from shooting our Sunspitters can handle a shot or two. Plus, We have some (apparently VERY) strong armor beneath our shields, that can hand the heat as well. And getting shot be a high intensity laser multiple times. thats the thing, it depends on the caliber(9mm) and type of round he used, and the fact that the helmets are designed for stopping shrapnel not bullets the WW2 hemet was designed to help prevent injury from airburst and other forms of artilery, and the kevlar helmets of today are more for IEDs and other explosives, thats why the vests and plate carriers have both kevlar and ceramic/steel plates in them Think he sad Hollow Point in the vid... I would just say, To my knowledge, Helmets we're always mean't to stop the things coming at your head in general, not just one thing in partiular. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 205	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:04:00 - [19] - Quote Dropsuits are tough, really tough. Just firing a Laser Rifle without a dropsuit for even a small amount of time would give you a lethal amount of radiation if you aren't in a dropsuit. It would probably permanently blind you and give you 2nd degree burns on most of your body. Firing a single round from an Assault Rifle while not wearing a dropsuit would set you on fire. Firing an SMG causes enough kick to break the bones of someone without a dropsuit. Scrambler Rifles/Pistols shoot laser-plasma channel induced lightning. I don't even want to know what would happen to an unprotected person if they shot one... In fact, the only "safe" weapon for anyone without a dropsuit to use is probably the Flaylock Pistol, simply because if fires rockets and therefore has negligible kick. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if their hands got burned from the projectile's rocket propellant. Basically, our suits a made to take a beating. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1843	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:09:00 - [20] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: We have made-up space armour and energy shields. In fact, if we didn't, we'd die from the backscatter radiation produced by firing the made-up space weapons we use. Hell, there shouldn't even be a multiplier for headshots but I guess you can't make a FPS without it? Made up is not really a very good term. hypothetical is better. Why? Tungsten and depleted uranium are real things. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1843	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:11:00 - [21] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Dropsuits are tough, really tough. Just firing a Laser Rifle without a dropsuit for even a small amount of time would give you a lethal amount of radiation if you aren't in a dropsuit. It would probably permanently blind you and give you 2nd degree burns on most of your body. Firing a single round from an Assault Rifle while not wearing a dropsuit would set you on fire. Firing an SMG causes enough kick to break the bones of someone without a dropsuit. Scrambler Rifles/Pistols shoot laser-plasma channel induced lightning. I don't even want to know what would happen to an unprotected person if they shot one... In fact, the only "safe" weapon for anyone without a dropsuit to use is probably the Flaylock Pistol, simply because if fires rockets and therefore has negligible kick. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if their hands got burned from the projectile's rocket propellant. Basically, our suits a made to take a beating. the SMG wouldn't break bones from the kick really, but the blast from those bullets might burn a little. Also, they'll blow up someone who's hit with it. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 205	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:38:00 - [22] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Dropsuits are tough, really tough. Just firing a Laser Rifle without a dropsuit for even a small amount of time would give you a lethal amount of radiation if you aren't in a dropsuit. It would probably permanently blind you and give you 2nd degree burns on most of your body. Firing a single round from an Assault Rifle while not wearing a dropsuit would set you on fire. Firing an SMG causes enough kick to break the bones of someone without a dropsuit. Scrambler Rifles/Pistols shoot laser-plasma channel induced lightning. I don't even want to know what would happen to an unprotected person if they shot one... In fact, the only "safe" weapon for anyone without a dropsuit to use is probably the Flaylock Pistol, simply because if fires rockets and therefore has negligible kick. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if their hands got burned from the projectile's rocket propellant. Basically, our suits a made to take a beating. the SMG wouldn't break bones from the kick really, but the blast from those bullets might burn a little. Also, they'll blow up someone who's hit with it. OK. It probably wouldn't break bones(except maybe your fingers), but it would put you flat on you back. It might also expose you to a good deal of radiation, because Minmatar weapons fire Uranium. ( I'm not sure if the Uranium is spent or not.) Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Skare-Krow CANNIBALS RISING 15	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:37:00 - [23] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Speaking as a sniper, headshots should not be instant death, just as a shot to the spine shouldn't auto-paralyze your clone. You've got shields and armor to contend with. That said, if a headshot IS what finishes you off, after your shield and armor are depleted, you should be done and not able to be revived. you cannot be revived after suffering a shot to the head A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 444	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:44:00 - [24] - Quote Skare-Krow wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Speaking as a sniper, headshots should not be instant death, just as a shot to the spine shouldn't auto-paralyze your clone. You've got shields and armor to contend with. That said, if a headshot IS what finishes you off, after your shield and armor are depleted, you should be done and not able to be revived. you cannot be revived after suffering a shot to the head I don't know if that's true from experience or not, nor do I really care, but I've heard people saying it's not. If it's true, then it should stay that way. If it's not, then it should be.
Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress Maphia Clan Corporation 23	Posted - 2014.03.08 11:28:00 - [25] - Quote Does everybody know all armors have 10 Life Points? No, I'm not talking about Shield or Armors, I'm talking about your flesh body health points. If you noticed, it's not so unusual to survive with 0 HP on both shields and armors, those points are the reason you're still walking. If those LiP are taken down by and headshot, the memory-transfer data should be activated instantly and the armor would then become useless... Dwelling on the past Struggling for the future ~ A Burning Life ~
Marc Rime 306	Posted - 2014.03.08 17:02:00 - [26] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Marc Rime wrote: We have made-up space armour and energy shields. In fact, if we didn't, we'd die from the backscatter radiation produced by firing the made-up space weapons we use. Hell, there shouldn't even be a multiplier for headshots but I guess you can't make a FPS without it? Made up is not really a very good term. hypothetical is better. Why? Tungsten and depleted uranium are real things. Actually, tech in the EVE universe can't be described as hypothetical, it's pure fiction. Fictional might have been better, but made-up sounded more fun.
Kitt 514 True North. 138	Posted - 2014.03.08 19:11:00 - [27] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Skare-Krow wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Speaking as a sniper, headshots should not be instant death, just as a shot to the spine shouldn't auto-paralyze your clone. You've got shields and armor to contend with. That said, if a headshot IS what finishes you off, after your shield and armor are depleted, you should be done and not able to be revived. you cannot be revived after suffering a shot to the head I don't know if that's true from experience or not, nor do I really care, but I've heard people saying it's not. If it's true, then it should stay that way. If it's not, then it should be. It has less to do with the head and more to do with how you die. If you just barely die (say you get finished by a stray smg round) you are revivable. If you get killed, and the projectile has damage left that it did not require to expend to kill you, thats called OVERKILL. After a certain threshold, overkill will kill your clone as well, though I have no idea what that threshold is. I will say from experience though that a charge shot from a scrambler rifle is enough to do it. Headshots kill clones more often just because its more likely you'll have a higher overkill than if you just had body shots.
Billi Gene 503	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:33:00 - [28] - Quote you see, this is exactly why i pleaded with the boffins to move our brains into our big toe. they gave me some pithy excuse about stubbing our toes and getting brain damage.... helmet can typically be made tougher than other parts because of the mechanical movement range and nature of the mechanical movement of the human head. The structure of the skull also lends itself to having things strapped to it. it is interesting to note that getting directly hit with a rail turret projectile is instant death..... Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress Maphia Clan Corporation 25	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:34:00 - [29] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: it is interesting to note that getting directly hit with a rail turret projectile is instant death..... Or if you're hit by explosive weapons or any splash-damage. Dwelling on the past Struggling for the future ~ A Burning Life ~
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 52	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote Ok... let's try this... Remember this one thing when comparing real life to this alternate universe... !!! IT IS A VIDEO GAME!!! CCP can make up whatever rules they want. If CCP said that all headshots would turn a player into an adorable brown fluffy Easter Bunny of death with juggernaut fur armour and a basket full of ultra death making nuclear hand grenades and a jet pack shoved up his fluffy cotton tail-hole, do you honestly think you saying "well this isn't like real life enough" is going to change that? No. No it will not. The "physics" of this game are wonky at best. We have clones that our soul, memories, and training are all instantly transfered to the second our bodies are dying. Yes, technically a head shot should scramble that but, think about this... ... if you were the scientist coming up with that clone transfer system, would you honestly let the transfer wait until the body was fully dead? No, you would have it transfer as soon as all the vital organs started to fail. Instant in this case is much faster than you are thinking. So no, a head shot should not instantly kill the clone because that would outbalance the medic suit usefulness. So no... I like running my medic suit thank you very much. And come to think of it... ... hey CCP; think maybe you could program in that bunny idea as a gag for Easter this year?



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