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Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 184	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:04:00 - [1] - Quote So your weapons damage has been reduced ... boohoo It has had the SMALLEST damage reduction (%) out of all the rifles .. how on earth you can complain about that is beyond me ..; Oh so your proficiency has been changed so you will find it harder to kill armor suit s.. well .. you get 120% v shields and eat them for breakfast .. why should you be super strong v shields AND super strong v armor ? I've just read some nonsense from True Adamance complaining about having the 2nd longest range behind the RR as well as a post from Aisha saying how weak the SCR is going to be in 1.8 ... Honestly it's ridiculous .. how can you complain after getting the smallest nerf ? I haven't complained about the RR being nerfed I just feared it'd be overnerfed and the SCR would be left alone but I'm glad the SCR has been nerfed as well as the other rifles and i'm interested to see what the changes are like in 1.8.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7928	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:08:00 - [2] - Quote I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
8213 Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:08:00 - [3] - Quote That's why the SCR is used so much in PC.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!! Fish in a bucket! Darken's Testament SKIPPY
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1560	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:10:00 - [4] - Quote ScRubs Drop it like its hat.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7934	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:11:00 - [5] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: ScRubs ScRubbler Rifle! "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10498	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:13:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: ScRubs ScRubbler Rifle! Shut up ScRub! You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2068	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:16:00 - [7] - Quote meh i'll be going commando, then i'll have a weapon for both types, and a damage increase to boot, of course i'm expecting the laser rifle to be better then the SCR this time around.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 165	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:16:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. I also personally feel all weapons are being over nerfed, I liked the shorter TTK somewhat, but could agree it needed a change.... I don't however feel the efficiency values needed messing with. The efficiency values weren't changed, the scram always did +20% shield -20% armour Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 95	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote The problem i think comes from the fact that the skill for heat will disapear, which makes the weapon less usefull, as a prof 5 user i can tell you that its hard to handle when you shoot someone and he fall because he uses shield then someone buffed with armor comes and shred you. So this weapon has a kind of unpredictability that is not as much noticable from other weapons. I personnaly will continue to use it notheless, lower ttk will enable some level of strategy and not die on the spot 1 vs 1 amored tank, like having a side arm good for armor... Quebec United CFO
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1463	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:19:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. I also personally feel all weapons are being over nerfed, I liked the shorter TTK somewhat, but could agree it needed a change.... I don't however feel the efficiency values needed messing with. No, it'll still have its power, but you won't be able to wreck everyone's face as much. I, for one, welcome these changes to specialize each weapon and suit.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3308	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:21:00 - [11] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: So your weapons damage has been reduced ... boohoo It has had the SMALLEST damage reduction (%) out of all the rifles .. how on earth you can complain about that is beyond me ..; Faulty Logic. ScR has the highest damage values, so small percentages will still have a larger effect. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2928	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 - [12] - Quote I'm not complaining :/ Templar BPO(275Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9815	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:26:00 - [13] - Quote I'm not complaining, I actually feel like the SCR got off too easy since the AR was nerfed harder than the SCR. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7934	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: ScRubs ScRubbler Rifle! Shut up ScRub! Get on my level, your ScRubbler Rifle is no match for mine, I have the high ground! "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10507	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:29:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: ScRubs ScRubbler Rifle! Shut up ScRub! Get on my level, your ScRubbler Rifle is no match for mine, I have the high ground! ScRub, my ScRubler rifle has ScRubbing prof 5. #GOML You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution 4954	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:32:00 - [16] - Quote I've never once said after dieing to an SCR. "Boy, if they removed 7 Damage from that weapon it would not be OP!" I've always said, that if they changed the weapon so it becomes less easy to spam and less reliable in CQC then it'd be balanced. SCR needs to be Medium - Long Range. And before anyone says the SCR would then be getting beaten by the RR at that range, the SCR would have the ability to beat any trade with an RR user with its charge shot. ISK Milkshakes for all (Except the Pubbies)
Rusty Shallows 1065	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:33:00 - [17] - Quote calisk galern wrote: meh i'll be going commando, then i'll have a weapon for both types, and a damage increase to boot, of course i'm expecting the laser rifle to be better then the SCR this time around. Bold prediction, if you end up using both on the same Frame please let us know how it goes. If CCP reintroduced the old beam-cooking mechanic then I would agree one hundred percent. If the Devs do it right the Scrambler Rifle will still have the better short-term DPS and the Laser Rifle a steady long-term damage. Which is what it sounds like they are doing for these mid to mid-long range weapons. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2546	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:08:00 - [18] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I've never once said after dieing to an SCR. "Boy, if they removed 7 Damage from that weapon it would not be OP!" I've always said, that if they changed the weapon so it becomes less easy to spam and less reliable in CQC then it'd be balanced. SCR needs to be Medium - Long Range. And before anyone says the SCR would then be getting beaten by the RR at that range, the SCR would have the ability to beat any trade with an RR user with its charge shot. Yes, losing to a ScR in close range is quite annoying. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 189	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:42:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: So your weapons damage has been reduced ... boohoo It has had the SMALLEST damage reduction (%) out of all the rifles .. how on earth you can complain about that is beyond me ..; Faulty Logic. ScR has the highest damage values, so small percentages will still have a larger effect. 1% of 100 (1) is smaller than 50% of 4 (2) so your statement isn't always the case. It is all dependant on the actual percentages themselves and the original number that is being affected, really my mistake was not actually listing the % and stat changes and differences in damages themselves but I thought you'd have at least looked at them beforehand. It's irrelevant anyway, what was your point about SCR by the way ? Or were you just here to be pedantic ?
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7269	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:48:00 - [20] - Quote Complaining because we already do 120% against shield and eat them for breakfast without proficiency. Shields are never stacked too highly either, even on the sentinel ck.0 it won't be that much. In essence it just feels like the proficiency skill is now a waste. Would much rather have proficiency get changed to something completely non-damage related and perhaps more weapon specific. CPM1 Candidacy Thread

medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 438	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:50:00 - [21] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: So your weapons damage has been reduced ... boohoo It has had the SMALLEST damage reduction (%) out of all the rifles .. how on earth you can complain about that is beyond me ..; Oh so your proficiency has been changed so you will find it harder to kill armor suit s.. well .. you get 120% v shields and eat them for breakfast .. why should you be super strong v shields AND super strong v armor ? I've just read some nonsense from True Adamance complaining about having the 2nd longest range behind the RR as well as a post from Aisha saying how weak the SCR is going to be in 1.8 ... Honestly it's ridiculous .. how can you complain after getting the smallest nerf ? I haven't complained about the RR being nerfed I just feared it'd be overnerfed and the SCR would be left alone but I'm glad the SCR has been nerfed as well as the other rifles and i'm interested to see what the changes are like in 1.8. I don't remember complaining about my scrambler rifle slated to have its damage reduced... (medomai deletes his 100 page draft of bitching about how his weapon of choice is going to be nerfed.) Yep, I don't know what your talking about... [o.o] Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 189	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:59:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Complaining because we already do 120% against shield and eat them for breakfast without proficiency. Shields are never stacked too highly either, even on the sentinel ck.0 it won't be that much. In essence it just feels like the proficiency skill is now a waste. Would much rather have proficiency get changed to something completely non-damage related and perhaps more weapon specific. Go back and read the OP because you clearly didn't understand what you just read judging from the 1st sentence you used in your comment. And no you aren't getting another heat reduction skill or a boost to armor damage skill .. they would just make the weapon OP and increase the gap between new players and vets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7939	Posted - 2014.03.07 00:00:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. I also personally feel all weapons are being over nerfed, I liked the shorter TTK somewhat, but could agree it needed a change.... I don't however feel the efficiency values needed messing with. No, it'll still have its power, but you won't be able to wreck everyone's face as much. I, for one, welcome these changes to specialize each weapon and suit. Hmmmmm.... not going to lie I could DPS down suits pretty quickly but the ScR was never and OP weapon just good at what it was designed to do. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1687	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:44:00 - [24] - Quote Tried a scout with ScR yesterday for couple of matches. It is the amarr shotgun. So damn powerful to charge shot when you got good scan radius and dampened profile. Drop it like its hat.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1881	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:49:00 - [25] - Quote I hope they changed the fire mechanic too. After all, we all know TCs (turbo-controllers) are still going to be a problem post-1.8 if nothing is done. Every time I see one being used, all I can think is "Whoa. Get good." (No, not the Scrambler Rifle. I do mean the TC. Anyone who has rolled with me knows that I used the ScR too. I'm just not bad enough to use a TC with it.) "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
Cruor Abominare horizons' edge 96	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:56:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. I also personally feel all weapons are being over nerfed, I liked the shorter TTK somewhat, but could agree it needed a change.... I don't however feel the efficiency values needed messing with. heh tech 2 Minnie ships have a 90% resist to em the primary smart dmg type. I used to fly barrage wolfs and giggle when some one in a crucified or crusader would try to engage. Csb and all that, you can't expect to be a one size fits all killing machine. Most of dust is in for a rude awakening as meta enabling mechanics crop up. There will some day be a time when your skilling and fits will be dependant on what some neckbeard officer works out as the best counter to the current meta.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2190	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:59:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel that I should be restricted to one specific type of suit I can kill. Any well fit Amarr Ship with Pulse Lasers can kill any other ship,...... now it will and I have covered myself admitting it will need testing.....but looking at numbers the ScR will still be over shadowed by RR at range, CR at mid range, and doesn't have the 1v1 stopping power it used to....... Will definitely require a change to my playstyle involving more charged shots to punch through shield and armour.....but I'll adjust. I'm simply concerned weapons will now have insane TTK against their tanking type, and **** poor against the others.....but again time will tell. I also personally feel all weapons are being over nerfed, I liked the shorter TTK somewhat, but could agree it needed a change.... I don't however feel the efficiency values needed messing with. Thats how its mea t to be, you are amarr you use laser tech, therefore you are strong against shields and weak to explosives. The thing is TTK for you won't be ridiculously short against shields as you aren't getting a shield damage buff. This game is meant to be built for diversity, you are gonna come across those who you are weak to and those who are weak to you. If you don't like the extra level of gameplay then sit in a tank and stop whining. As a Mass Driver user Shields are a big thing against me, the slugs just won't push through, especially in .8. I am going to have to rely upon either a shield based weapon OR a team mate to eliminate the majority of shields on high value targets, because my Mass Driver won't be able to do it. That said in an emergency I can brute force it and crack the shields just in time to reload. BUT if they wield my weakness and I wield their resistance they should win 98% of the time, that's the damn point. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5081	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:04:00 - [28] - Quote 8213 wrote: That's why the SCR is used so much in PC.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!! I'll tell you right now that the scrambler rifle isn't used so much in PC due to the threat of LAG, Not because of it's effectiveness, if it weren't for the random lag in PC you'd see it far more often. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 727	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:05:00 - [29] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: So your weapons damage has been reduced ... boohoo It has had the SMALLEST damage reduction (%) out of all the rifles .. how on earth you can complain about that is beyond me ..; Oh so your proficiency has been changed so you will find it harder to kill armor suit s.. well .. you get 120% v shields and eat them for breakfast .. why should you be super strong v shields AND super strong v armor ? I've just read some nonsense from True Adamance complaining about having the 2nd longest range behind the RR as well as a post from Aisha saying how weak the SCR is going to be in 1.8 ... Honestly it's ridiculous .. how can you complain after getting the smallest nerf ? I haven't complained about the RR being nerfed I just feared it'd be overnerfed and the SCR would be left alone but I'm glad the SCR has been nerfed as well as the other rifles and i'm interested to see what the changes are like in 1.8. Honestly I believe the SCR/ASCR will be be outright under the best rifles in 1.8, I never had any problems to bring down armor based suits with it. The RR my still be more popular as it is more easy to use and a little bit more flexible, but anyone who excel with the CR will do more than fine with the SCR and the ASCR will give give the best Range/DPS ratio of all Rifles...
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 206	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:09:00 - [30] - Quote The scrambler might get the smallest nerf, but it is also hit the hardest by the damage mod nerf. Losing 18% damage from two complex damage mods hurts the ScR more than any other weapon due to the overheat mechanic. Yes, the other weapons will have to chew through more ammo, as will the ScR, but the ScR will have to be pushed even closer to overheating just to kill someone. That is not true from the other light weapons. And an hmg could easily kill five or more people before it overheats. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.



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