DUST Search - What does the CPM actually do for the community?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Unfortunately all NDA stuff still.

But to help out CPM 0 has been doing this mostly

CPM White Papers wrote:

CPM OPERATION AND FUNCTION
The CPM is responsible for 3 major roles within the DUST 514 development process:

a. Input into High Level Planning and Roadmaps:

The CPM will be involved in high level planning and have input into potential release roadmaps for DUST
514. The CPM in particular will be invaluable in helping CCP target user GÇ£pain pointsGÇ¥ that will require
significant resources to alleviate. The CPM, as an external entity, will be able to provide a fresh
perspective on what can be done to improve the player experience in DUST 514. The infrequent nature
of this sort of planning necessitates that this will be a sporadic activity. When planning is set to occur the
CPM will meet with the Executive Producer and other relevant parties to determine the best method for
them to contribute to the process.

b. Feedback on Team Features:
As teams develop features for a release, they are highly encouraged to share gameplay relevant features
with the CPM (using the Private CPM/CCP Forum) to get early, focus-group style feedback. The CPM is
uniquely positioned to provide timely and concise feedback, while still understanding that the proposed
features may change entirely or be cut from a release. The CPM will typically deliver their feedback to
teams within 48 hours, and a continuing dialogue will help ensure that features are as polished and
GÇ£player-proofedGÇ¥ as possible.

c. Community Advocacy:
The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile
players. Their dual role as council members and players allows them a much greater ability to gather the
best opinions and ideas of the player base from sources beyond the official DUST 514 forum. Their
advocacy can take the form of official programs, analysis of the CPM council forums, and just general
player opinion picked up in the course of day-to-day play

And if you're wondering why most of the CPM has been quite lately is because of this.

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Corrupted Files 30	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:55:00 - [1] - Quote I just got flamed at Although I did instigate things when I questioned Jenza as to what she actually does for the community. The response I got was jenza aranda wrote: I do what is expected as a CPM with CCP. Also I never announced that I was running again. Also, who are you? It was a very typical politician type of answer, expecting me to know what it is that their job entails. As one of the relativly new players to dust I havnt had the oportunity to read any real information about the CPMs and what they are for. I dont really post very often on the forums, but I do read them regularly. So please will someone tell me what the CPM actually does for us, and what is this election? I assumed Jenza was running for reelection since I saw a post from her about some kind of election What does CCP expect, what are the expectations from players?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1921	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:57:00 - [2] - Quote Corrupted Files wrote: I just got flamed at Although I did instigate things when I questioned Jenza as to what she actually does for the community. The response I got was jenza aranda wrote: I do what is expected as a CPM with CCP. Also I never announced that I was running again. Also, who are you? It was a very typical politician type of answer, expecting me to know what it is that their job entails. As one of the relativly new players to dust I havnt had the oportunity to read any real information about the CPMs and what they are for. I dont really post very often on the forums, but I do read them regularly. So please will someone tell me what the CPM actually does for us, and what is this election? I assumed Jenza was running for reelection since I saw a post from her about some kind of election What does CCP expect, what are the expectations from players? Actually it's the typical response of an appointed official, not a politician per se. They claim to represent the playerbase. How they can do that without being elected I don't know. Mostly, I just see them presenting their own ideas, so I guess they have CCP's ear more than the rest of the playerbase does.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2928	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:07:00 - [3] - Quote This will tell you everything you need to know Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2591	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:20:00 - [4] - Quote Mostly they ramble off some things of limited relevance and get angry when you disagree with them or mention how you didnt choose them Then there are those who defend them saying things like "They have other things to do, ease up" which is true but also makes me think that if they are so busy in their lives they dont have time to properly do this volunteer work then maybe they should step down but of course that wont happen Hell Jenza was gone for months and months due to moving which is perfectly fine, people move and what not, but you would think maybe someone would have thought "Hey, this person wont be available for a significant amount of time, maybe we should bring in a replacement" I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 241	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:54:00 - [5] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: This will tell you everything you need to know Yes this is what the CPM have achieved in the last year. They have created a white paper explaining what the next CPM will have to do.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2839	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:02:00 - [6] - Quote Nothing tbh It took them the best part of 10months to even get a voting system down and that was a priority tbh Now that there 1 and only job is done which happened to finish near fanfest it means we can get a new lot in who may actually do somthing but then again they may just be like CPM0 and deliver just that, 0 Intelligence is OP
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 184	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: This will tell you everything you need to know If there is no full infantry SP Refund in 1.8 you had better be stepping down along with the rest of the CPM .. if you can;t push through something as essential as that for 1.8 then you shouldn't be in that position because clearly CCP don't listen to you/ you don't make good enough arguments Oh and don't bother with the NDA rubbish and say we do x y z but we can't tell you about it ... it's a cop out ...
8213 Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 1661	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:11:00 - [8] - Quote well, if You're Kane Spero you do nothing for the community meanwhile using all the leverage you can gain to be the most powerful person in the game... Fish in a bucket! Darken's Testament SKIPPY
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1902	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote cpm is the propaganda with of ccp. They have no real value to us its just ccp's excuse for keeping things secret. I mean we have a new EP and wont hear from him for what 5 or 6 months? Jenza only posts to get that free trip to fanfest God knows she is as terrible a cpm member as they come Also 8213 you seem a bit irritated. Check your vag you might have some sand in it [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1212	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:20:00 - [10] - Quote Free Beers wrote: cpm is the propaganda with of ccp. They have no real value to us its just ccp's excuse for keeping things secret. I mean we have a new EP and wont hear from him for what 5 or 6 months? Jenza only posts to get that free trip to fanfest God knows she is as terrible a cpm member as they come Also 8213 you seem a bit irritated. Check your vag you might have some sand in it. You seem like the type that cries when you lose at mario cart to a girl. #js Well that was a little harsh. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10

BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:40:00 - [11] - Quote to some it up Jake and jake last time i saw him was leaving town ! if you where thinking it was likes Eve your wrong think of them more like the puppet states of the Soviet union or you could think of CCP as Russia at the Olympics and the CPM as the bear Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7936	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:59:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: well, if You're Kane Spero you do nothing for the community meanwhile using all the leverage you can gain to be the most powerful person in the game... Good for him. He knows how to meta "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1566	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote the cpm does nothing for the community (and that is okay). the cpm is a sounding board for CCP. they are chosen by the community [hopefully] on the basis that they know what the community is best for the game. [ccp:] "hey we were thinking of doing x y and z next in that order... [cpm:] "no do z then x then y it's a better plan [ccp:] "sounds good [ccp:] "how will this go over as an event? [cpm:] "poorly, change this and this and it will turn into something stuff like that. if ccp didn't nda all the cpm minutes I think a lot of people would have a better idea what the cpm actually does. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Vag Eye Lenol Council of Planetary Management 48	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:50:00 - [14] - Quote Free Beers wrote: cpm is the propaganda with of ccp. They have no real value to us its just ccp's excuse for keeping things secret. I mean we have a new EP and wont hear from him for what 5 or 6 months? Jenza only posts to get that free trip to fanfest God knows she is as terrible a cpm member as they come Also 8213 you seem a bit irritated. Check your vag you might have some sand in it. You seem like the type that cries when you lose at mario cart to a girl. #js Someome say Vag?
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 532	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:25:00 - [15] - Quote c'mon guys they must of helped in some way right? Right???? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13271	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:28:00 - [16] - Quote Unfortunately all NDA stuff still. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 352	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:55:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Unfortunately all NDA stuff still. But to help out CPM 0 has been doing this mostly CPM White Papers wrote: CPM OPERATION AND FUNCTION The CPM is responsible for 3 major roles within the DUST 514 development process: a. Input into High Level Planning and Roadmaps: The CPM will be involved in high level planning and have input into potential release roadmaps for DUST 514. The CPM in particular will be invaluable in helping CCP target user GÇ£pain pointsGÇ¥ that will require significant resources to alleviate. The CPM, as an external entity, will be able to provide a fresh perspective on what can be done to improve the player experience in DUST 514. The infrequent nature of this sort of planning necessitates that this will be a sporadic activity. When planning is set to occur the CPM will meet with the Executive Producer and other relevant parties to determine the best method for them to contribute to the process. b. Feedback on Team Features: As teams develop features for a release, they are highly encouraged to share gameplay relevant features with the CPM (using the Private CPM/CCP Forum) to get early, focus-group style feedback. The CPM is uniquely positioned to provide timely and concise feedback, while still understanding that the proposed features may change entirely or be cut from a release. The CPM will typically deliver their feedback to teams within 48 hours, and a continuing dialogue will help ensure that features are as polished and GÇ£player-proofedGÇ¥ as possible. c. Community Advocacy: The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile players. Their dual role as council members and players allows them a much greater ability to gather the best opinions and ideas of the player base from sources beyond the official DUST 514 forum. Their advocacy can take the form of official programs, analysis of the CPM council forums, and just general player opinion picked up in the course of day-to-day play And if you're wondering why most of the CPM has been quite lately is because of this. I really hope none of you went to college if a 3 page document took 7 people this long to make. Not trying to insult anyone, but, yea... xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Teilka Darkmist 295	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote From the perspective of someone who's not a member of the CPM and who'll probably never want to be (although getting advance notice of the way the game's going to be developed is tempting), the CPM, just like the CSM in Eve essentially boils down to a focus group for CCP. It's someone the dev teams can run plans past and get feedback from players about those plans and to pass on viable ideas from the playerbase. The CSM in Eve is managing to get some level of respect from CCP Reykjavik with more dev teams coming to them for opinions, ideally it would be all of the teams, but as the whole player council thing is unique to CCP games, it's taken some time for the role to develop. The CPM should theoretically act in the same role between CCP Shanghai and the Dust players, whether that has happened or not yet, I'm not sure. it maybe that CCP Shanghai and the CPM haven't yet taken full advantage of the work the CSM have done in setting an example of how it should work. The idea that the CSM and CPM should be player elected is so that, theoretically at least, the issues that the majority of the player community have are brought to the attention of CCP quicker and addressed rather than, as happens in the vast majority of MMO games, ignored for the most part. One of the problems with the CPM process at the moment, is that Dust doesn't have the same level of metagame and community as Eve has yet, which is a large part of how the playerbase in Eve knows about the CSM and their views before the elections. In the past, for example, the Crossing Zebras podcast interviewed the majority of the CSM candidates before the election and interviews sitting CSM members each month or so, the pre-interviews are actually switching to the Cap Stable podcast this time around as one of the Crossing Zebras hosts is actually running for CSM. As far as I know, there is nothing like this for Dust at the moment. Even if there was a blogger, or blogging community who would conduct in depth interviews with CPM candidates before the elections, it would be a big help, and save people having to wade through dozens of pages of forum posts to find out what a candidate's platform is. Personally, I'm not sure that CCP appointing CPM 0 was the best idea, they probably should have held off a year or so untill some level of community had properly assembled and held elections. But what's done is done and we just have to move forwards from here. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.
Teilka Darkmist 295	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:00:00 - [19] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: jenza aranda wrote: This will tell you everything you need to know If there is no full infantry SP Refund in 1.8 you had better be stepping down along with the rest of the CPM .. if you can;t push through something as essential as that for 1.8 then you shouldn't be in that position because clearly CCP don't listen to you/ you don't make good enough arguments Oh and don't bother with the NDA rubbish and say we do x y z but we can't tell you about it ... it's a cop out ... The CPM can't 'push through' anything. They make recommendations to CCP who then have the final say in everything. As it should be. And the NDA is a legally binging document. If the CPM say they can't talk about something, it's because they legally aren't allowed to. It's not a cop out at all. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 627	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:05:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Unfortunately all NDA stuff still. But to help out CPM 0 has been doing this mostly CPM White Papers wrote: CPM OPERATION AND FUNCTION The CPM is responsible for 3 major roles within the DUST 514 development process: a. Input into High Level Planning and Roadmaps: The CPM will be involved in high level planning and have input into potential release roadmaps for DUST 514. The CPM in particular will be invaluable in helping CCP target user GÇ£pain pointsGÇ¥ that will require significant resources to alleviate. The CPM, as an external entity, will be able to provide a fresh perspective on what can be done to improve the player experience in DUST 514. The infrequent nature of this sort of planning necessitates that this will be a sporadic activity. When planning is set to occur the CPM will meet with the Executive Producer and other relevant parties to determine the best method for them to contribute to the process. b. Feedback on Team Features: As teams develop features for a release, they are highly encouraged to share gameplay relevant features with the CPM (using the Private CPM/CCP Forum) to get early, focus-group style feedback. The CPM is uniquely positioned to provide timely and concise feedback, while still understanding that the proposed features may change entirely or be cut from a release. The CPM will typically deliver their feedback to teams within 48 hours, and a continuing dialogue will help ensure that features are as polished and GÇ£player-proofedGÇ¥ as possible. c. Community Advocacy: The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile players. Their dual role as council members and players allows them a much greater ability to gather the best opinions and ideas of the player base from sources beyond the official DUST 514 forum. Their advocacy can take the form of official programs, analysis of the CPM council forums, and just general player opinion picked up in the course of day-to-day play And if you're wondering why most of the CPM has been quite lately is because of this. you could have saved alot of us from have to read all that and just tell us " think of CCP as Russia at the Olympics and the CPM as the bear " Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1923	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:20:00 - [21] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: jenza aranda wrote: This will tell you everything you need to know Yes this is what the CPM have achieved in the last year. They have created a white paper explaining what the next CPM will have to do. clap Hehehehe... You musta not been here when the community had CCP Colored fog around them, and the the only guy with NV goggles was IWS. CPM is honestly the best ay for good ideas to get CCP attention. Grab the mind of a CPM, and that idea usually will be followed up with either a DEV response, or on the Biweekly Feedback Update Thread. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1397	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:38:00 - [22] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nothing tbh It took them the best part of 10months to even get a voting system down and that was a priority tbh Now that there 1 and only job is done which happened to finish near fanfest it means we can get a new lot in who may actually do somthing but then again they may just be like CPM0 and deliver just that, 0 Members of CPM0 went to bat for Scouts; an act which won't be forgotten. Soon, CCP will swing an overdue nerf hammer at your god-mode. Who will you appeal to should they nerf your precious tank too hard? Clearly, you're not posturing for an appeal to CPM.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 485	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:48:00 - [23] - Quote Free Beers wrote: cpm is the propaganda with of ccp. They have no real value to us its just ccp's excuse for keeping things secret. I mean we have a new EP and wont hear from him for what 5 or 6 months? Jenza only posts to get that free trip to fanfest God knows she is as terrible a cpm member as they come Also 8213 you seem a bit irritated. Check your vag you might have some sand in it. You seem like the type that cries when you lose at mario cart to a girl. #js +1 to Beers. As much respect I have for both Kain, and Nova; CPM is worthless/horrible/useless. In 1 years time frame, they setup how to do CPM1 ; great, thanks, meaning for 1 year their main goal wasn't directly making the game better, but how to nominate CPM1 in hopes they can; and even if they tried to make the game better, well its been one year and the game is worse if anything, so CPM 0 failed on that front as well. Now I realize the devs don't have to listen to the cpm, but essentially with that lack a proper patches, cpm must not of been voicing enough to make a difference. Look at PS2 (planetside 2), they have WEEKLY updates, and bug fixes; EVERY FU*KING WEEK, and their fixes work; and not only that, they don't keep their players in the dark, AND THEY HAVE A TEST SERVER so actual players help balance the game and it gets adjusted. We have CCP then, who cant fix their own programming/coding that has been around for 2 years. At that point, have a vote/nomination process; as unfortunately CPM 0 was more or less dead weight for an entire year All in all, CPM should be crapped and discarded like a $2 whor3 ; until the game is properly fixed/balanced/coded/programed. Closed Beta Vet Mordu's Trials Winner Original IMP
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 356	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:57:00 - [24] - Quote Passing along the worst community ideas and opinions to Ccp.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 467	Posted - 2014.03.07 00:02:00 - [25] - Quote I know for certain IWS was very busy in the Scout Registry when talks about 1.8 were in the works. He did an excellent job of being an ambassador for us, and making sure they did not put through another scout nerf. I can't speak for the other members of the CPM, but I can say for sure at least IWS is heavily involved in voicing feedback on behalf of players and in pushing this game towards something that is actually balanced. Looking for the scout hangout?
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 356	Posted - 2014.03.07 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I know for certain IWS was very busy in the Scout Registry when talks about 1.8 were in the works. He did an excellent job of being an ambassador for us, and making sure they did not put through another scout nerf. I can't speak for the other members of the CPM, but I can say for sure at least IWS is heavily involved in voicing feedback on behalf of players and in pushing this game towards something that is actually balanced. You mean those awful medium suit bonuses he liked.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 892	Posted - 2014.03.07 00:33:00 - [27] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I know for certain IWS was very busy in the Scout Registry when talks about 1.8 were in the works. He did an excellent job of being an ambassador for us, and making sure they did not put through another scout nerf. I can't speak for the other members of the CPM, but I can say for sure at least IWS is heavily involved in voicing feedback on behalf of players and in pushing this game towards something that is actually balanced. You mean those awful medium suit bonuses he liked. I'm pretty excited that my Minmatar suits are finally getting SOME love even if it is just increased clip size for my projectile weapons, but higher shield reg, and an actual speed buff would be nice as well. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
David Spd Caldari State 138	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:00:00 - [28] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Passing along the worst community ideas and opinions to Ccp. When Ccp asks should we make this more mmo like to reflect eves complexity and depth they say no the mouthbreathers want more twitch based lobby shooter. Funny, that is all consoles have ever been. You want good RPG inspired games go to the platform without thousands of limitations. CCP could have EASILY made an RPG heavy shooter on a platform that could have substantially supported it, but didn't. They somehow saw value in making a free to play game on a ten year old piece of hardware that was well established in lobby shooters. Don't blame "mouth-breathers" for playing the game; blame CCP for choosing them as their core audience. --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1275	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:08:00 - [29] - Quote CPM is essentially a tool that CCP uses to bridge the gap between the community and the developers. It doesn't mean that CCP stops reading our posts and pass that job onto the CPM but that the CPM makes it easier for them while also representing a large group of players ideas. Haven't found a moment yet where the CPM has tried to screw us over and from what I seen, some of them would even post their feelings about CCP's activity's here and there. Don't know why people complain about the CPM like they're the sole reason behind updates... "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 956	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:13:00 - [30] - Quote Honestly I have one question to the CPM. To the CPM - Did you or did you not know about the upcoming changes to weapons / proficiency (1.8 stuff) etc in detail before the player base found out? If you did, then what the hell did you say to CCP , if anything? If you did not then what is the point of the CPM? lol Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!



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