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Cody Sietz wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Sure it is, its just not significantly better at close range than the CR, but if I am doing some interior fighting I would rather have the AR than any other variant. Problem range means so much more with the design of many of our maps and if it is a more closed interior environment Heavies with HMG are going to rampage all over all the other suits no matter what racial rifle they have.

And I can agree with you there, it's not even the CR I mind losing to in close range fights(though a assault CR destroyed me from 75 meters away in 2 seconds with 900+ dmg)

It's more that the AR barely has any more range then a HMG and it isn't exactly that easy to beat a HMG at 40 meters away right now. With the heavy buffs and AR nerfs, well I don't think I need to tell you what that means.

And the ScR and RR still work too well in CQC, I doubt they are doing anything to change that fact.

Directly about the ScR, no, but the ScR is getting hurt the worst by the proficiency change since everyone is armor tanking now and ScR just plain sucks against armor. For me, the biggest flaw for the AR is you can't make up for its range shortcomings with a sidearm. With my ScR I'm going to make up for its armor deficiency with a MagSec or SMG. I HATE the RR in CQC so I always switch to a SMG if I'm rolling with a RR as my primary. I haven't looked at the new sidearms but I don't think there is a good sidearm that makes up for the lack of range on the AR.

That is true, but don't forget the AR is also meant for shields. The ScR at least does high dmg, even if it losing a whooping 12 points of dmg per shot once it gets down to armour, it still has more range and dmg then the AR.

The MagSec seems like it will outshine the AR but I may pick one up since it seems like it's going to be far better then the SMG after 1.8

Ehh, who am I kidding, I'm gonna get a Ion Pistol.

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 814	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:55:00 - [31] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Sure it is, its just not significantly better at close range than the CR, but if I am doing some interior fighting I would rather have the AR than any other variant. Problem range means so much more with the design of many of our maps and if it is a more closed interior environment Heavies with HMG are going to rampage all over all the other suits no matter what racial rifle they have. And I can agree with you there, it's not even the CR I mind losing to in close range fights(though a assault CR destroyed me from 75 meters away in 2 seconds with 900+ dmg) It's more that the AR barely has any more range then a HMG and it isn't exactly that easy to beat a HMG at 40 meters away right now. With the heavy buffs and AR nerfs, well I don't think I need to tell you what that means. And the ScR and RR still work too well in CQC, I doubt they are doing anything to change that fact. Directly about the ScR, no, but the ScR is getting hurt the worst by the proficiency change since everyone is armor tanking now and ScR just plain sucks against armor. For me, the biggest flaw for the AR is you can't make up for its range shortcomings with a sidearm. With my ScR I'm going to make up for its armor deficiency with a MagSec or SMG. I HATE the RR in CQC so I always switch to a SMG if I'm rolling with a RR as my primary. I haven't looked at the new sidearms but I don't think there is a good sidearm that makes up for the lack of range on the AR. That is true, but don't forget the AR is also meant for shields. The ScR at least does high dmg, even if it losing a whooping 12 points of dmg per shot once it gets down to armour, it still has more range and dmg then the AR. The MagSec seems like it will outshine the AR but I may pick one up since it seems like it's going to be far better then the SMG after 1.8 Ehh, who am I kidding, I'm gonna get a Ion Pistol. Ion pistol!!? You gotta get over this Gallente love affair you have going on my friend LOL. Like me, I love Amarr, but not more than diversity and versatility. I'd skill into AR for my scout character, but I'm already heavy into CR and the fitting requirements are so much easier with the CR. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2068	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:57:00 - [32] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Lol, wow. Well it seems the AR is finally 100% dead. Unless you run into one of those pesky shield tankers. Grab a CR, grab a RR, or stop playing. I may do the latter. the AR is no where near flaylock / sniper rifle degree of uselessness
HiddenBrother 110	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:05:00 - [33] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Grab a CR, grab a RR, or stop playing. I may do the latter. See you next week. Ruin. Weekly PC battles; even though ninety percent of Molden Heath is locked. 36 million ISK battle coins are fun.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 534	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:09:00 - [34] - Quote Patch won't be out 'till after next week slick. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:29:00 - [35] - Quote Why not use an AR Magsec combo, same range similar damage, AR their shields then swich and own their armor with the MAG These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2546	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:26:00 - [36] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I HATE FREEDOM AND STYLE! Why Zahle? It looks so sexy! Seriously, your right. I really should get a weapon that works better with my shotgun/AR...but still... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 474	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:41:00 - [37] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The AR isn't nearly as dead as some would have you believe. You simply have to be careful to engage at distance, and as noted above, the gap between the AR and the CR/RR will have closed in 1.8. The bigger problem is that the Assault HMG now does 44% more DPS than the AR, and had a slightly longer optimal and effective range. CCP didn't touch the HMG along with the rest of the rifles, which is a mistake. FATTIE 514 is coming. Bored, you've been here long enough to now that that was an idiotic statement to make. The spread that the A.HMG has at its optimal negates any advantage. I'll put my money on the AR at its max optimal against a A.HMG at its max optimal any day of the week, and expect the same post 1.8. And that's from alot of experience, not number crunching. While I'll admit I was surprised to see no reduction in the HMG damage, but it is in all actuality getting a nurf. Any HMGer worth their salt runs only complex damage mods in their high slots as it doesn't make sense to put anything else there. Therefore, any of us that have been running Sentinels will be taking a 5% damage reduction, and for those folks that have an addiction to the double complex damage mods that the basic frame allows will be taking about a 10.75% damage nurf. While it can be argued that all suits are losing damage mods, alot of mediums were very much coming around to the fact anyway that tank is better than gank as it stands, so they'll have no worries on the damage mods changes in 1.8. The mediums that will feel the damage mod. changes most are the legitimate flankers, and then the logi slayers and pub proto stompers. The issue with 1.8 and heavies is going to be the resistances. In my view they are too high, but we'll only find out properly when we get to dig in with the new patch. At the OP, don't be jumping the gun We have no idea what changes have been made to each gun group's hipfire accuracy, reload speed, recoil, etc. While past experience has shown that faith in CCP to do things right is a bit of a long shot, this is the first proper patch from a rearranged and in some cases totally new group of devs. Chill for a few weeks and see what happens. My present plan is as one of my suits to have the Gal commando, and I'll be fully skilling into the AR for it. The present data doesn't look that great for the AR, but it's not that bad either.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 681	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:46:00 - [38] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Lol, wow. Well it seems the AR is finally 100% dead. Unless you run into one of those pesky shield tankers. Grab a CR, grab a RR, or stop playing. I may do the latter. Really, because if you look at the percentages the AR had damage decreased less than CR and RR so it will in fact be better compared to the other two than it has been for this 1.7 build. Correct. The AR isn't nearly as dead as some would have you believe. You simply have to be careful to engage at distance, and as noted above, the gap between the AR and the CR/RR will have closed in 1.8. Remember to engage at distance, against the weapons which have a much longer range than you and better DPS. I must have been unclear. The point I was trying to make is that you have to be careful engaging people at distance, recognizing the weakness when compared to other longer-ranged weapons. Make more sense now?
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 534	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:02:00 - [39] - Quote My issue is that vs the only viable form of HP in the game, the ARs prof no longer applies. This wouldn't be a big deal if shields actually worked, but they don't. I was making the AR work on a Min Assault post 1.7, but it is not looking good post 1.8. With the damage mods effectivness being cut (no problem there), having no prof vs armor is huge. Again, if shields worked it wouldn't be a problem, but shields dont work. Honestly the AR was dead post 1.7, yet a few could still make due. Grant it, no one is putting a gun to my head and making me run a RR or CR, but that is all that is ran now, and it will be even more so post 1.8. ScR is in for a shock as well. Watch. Of course, nearly every assault/slayer logi/heavy switched to the CR or RR long ago, so its not an issue for most. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Croned 625	Posted - 2014.03.07 00:53:00 - [40] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Riiiiiight, the AR isn't dead. Its Prof only applies to shields, yet it's still gonna be effective. Watch out shield tankers, the AR is making a comeback! Lol. Engage the RR and CR at range? HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA Oh man thats classic. The AR still has a faster TTK. Use optimal range or gtfo. Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1471	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:02:00 - [41] - Quote GEK, prof 3, 2 complex damage mods say "I bet I can kill you before you blink within my optimal". ... as long as the other rifles don't have the assault variant, of course. Then you're screwed. ... HEY WAIT!
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4220	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:28:00 - [42] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The AR isn't nearly as dead as some would have you believe. You simply have to be careful to engage at distance, and as noted above, the gap between the AR and the CR/RR will have closed in 1.8. The bigger problem is that the Assault HMG now does 44% more DPS than the AR, and had a slightly longer optimal and effective range. CCP didn't touch the HMG along with the rest of the rifles, which is a mistake. FATTIE 514 is coming. facepalm First you people complain about sentinels using light weapons, now you complain about a change that will make heavy weapons superior, and therefore fix the previous issue. I am your scan error.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3032	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:36:00 - [43] - Quote What if the stats of the RR and CR were intentionally much better than the AR because they wanted to gather data? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 534	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:50:00 - [44] - Quote Well if that was the case they should have got plenty of data from 1.7 Optimal range against a CR and RR.....hehe...hehehahaha......AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAA! Man this thread is filling up with zingers. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison


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