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Protected Void
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:47:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:
+ Slightly more health (about 150 HP, 100 on main tank, 50 on secondary).
That would be a 50% increase on 95% of my fittings.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:04:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
+ Slightly more health (about 150 HP, 100 on main tank, 50 on secondary).
That would be a 50% increase on 95% of my fittings.
470 shields over 370 is not a 50% increase.
FFS, I'm not talking about Scouts fitting their suits to be scout like. I'm talking about Scouts fitting them the way they would fit their Assault suits.
Again, a 1.8 Caldari Scout fitted like an Assault suit: 370 shields, 85 recharge, 2.2/3.5 delays and good profile, scan range and scan precision to go with it + a cloak of course. Why in the hell would you run a gimped Assault suit over that? The Assault has 150 HP more (100 shields, 50 armor) and some garbage suit bonus, but is litterally worse in every other way (and that health difference is even nullified considering the Scout has better strafing ability and a smaller hitbox).
There's litterally no reason to ever use an Assault suit in 1.8 as the Scout suit will do the same job while being better in every way.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1960
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:05:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
+ Slightly more health (about 150 HP, 100 on main tank, 50 on secondary).
That would be a 50% increase on 95% of my fittings.
Whle using proto a proto main weapon:
Caldari scout: 452 Shields, 275 Armor = 727 HP
Galente Scout: 233 Shields, 537 Armor = 770 HP
My current Caldari Assault has: 582 Shields and 150 armor.... = 732, well, its dampened...
The Galente suit gets LOL 770 HP and are still as dampened as my Caldari Assault, or indeed any setup I have.
This to illustrate that we're talking about the sitation after 1,8, not how the suits are now....
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:09:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Protected Void wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
+ Slightly more health (about 150 HP, 100 on main tank, 50 on secondary).
That would be a 50% increase on 95% of my fittings. Whle using proto a proto main weapon: Caldari scout: 452 Shields, 275 Armor = 727 HP Galente Scout: 233 Shields, 537 Armor = 770 HP My current Caldari Assault has: 582 Shields and 150 armor.... = 732, well, its dampened... The Galente suit gets LOL 770 HP and are still as dampened as my Caldari Assault, or indeed any setup I have. This to illustrate that we're talking about the sitation after 1,8, not how the suits are now....
Just jump on the bandwagon, and lets forget that the assault suit ever existed. CCP will never listen anyway.
Drop it like its hat.
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:28:00 -
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OK, so potentially stupid question, but why don't they just switch the High/Low Slot loadout of Logi, and Assault Suits? Off hand it would seem to fix the problem. Logi's could still be combat effective, and of course carry more equipment, but they wouldn't be able to out assault the Assault Suits anymore.
Is there something I'm missing that makes this a bad idea? |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:40:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:OK, so potentially stupid question, but why don't they just switch the High/Low Slot loadout of Logi, and Assault Suits? Off hand it would seem to fix the problem. Logi's could still be combat effective, and of course carry more equipment, but they wouldn't be able to out assault the Assault Suits anymore.
Is there something I'm missing that makes this a bad idea?
Giving Assaults more slots will only make them closer to Sentinels instead of Logis. Logis just need their slot count reduced and CPU/PG lowered slightly. Then Assaults need a CPU/PG increase and some other stat changes.
Edit: And for Scouts, I think they need to be changed back a bit as well (yes, that means nerfed, but I'm getting all the Scouts after me if I say that).
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
R.I.P MAG.
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:48:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Hagintora wrote:OK, so potentially stupid question, but why don't they just switch the High/Low Slot loadout of Logi, and Assault Suits? Off hand it would seem to fix the problem. Logi's could still be combat effective, and of course carry more equipment, but they wouldn't be able to out assault the Assault Suits anymore.
Is there something I'm missing that makes this a bad idea? Giving Assaults more slots will only make them closer to Sentinels instead of Logis. Logis just need their slot count reduced and CPU/PG lowered slightly. Then Assaults need a CPU/PG increase and some other stat changes.
OK, but wouldn't the increased slots allow Assaults to be versatile? Damps, KinKats, Cards, there's more things that players could put on besides tank. Assaults could do lot, but really be good at any one thing (besides weapons). |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:51:00 -
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If we removed all suits except one and that one suit had a different colour for each race you'd still be ******* whining that the pink one was better than the rest. |
Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:55:00 -
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Lol assault style scouts will just be another assault for me to assassinate. So go for it. Just remember you med frames will come to scout, whine like crazy (second loudest whiners to tankers), suit will get nerfed back to 1.7 values and then you will whine for a respec.
And the cloak??? It's useless except maybe to try to run away and most true scouts couldn't care less about it. In fact most of us don't even want it in the game.
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:56:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Also Cloaks, even with a bonus of 70% to its fitting that cloak will probably be the most fitting intensive item on the suit.
Let's be honest, the cloak isn't going to be that useful for most classes. Shotgun scouts Will do better without it, so will fast attack light infantry. The Cloak will be very situational, like nova knives.
Also,
If you're a good scout then you won't be seen till it's too late.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4510
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:59:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:Lol assault style scouts will just be another assault for me to assassinate. So go for it. Just remember you med frames will come to scout, whine like crazy (second loudest whiners to tankers), suit will get nerfed back to 1.7 values and then you will whine for a respec.
And the cloak??? It's useless except maybe to try to run away and most true scouts couldn't care less about it. In fact most of us don't even want it in the game.
Chill yo. We're jus' tryin'to have a civil discussion and then you come in here with inflammatory comments. There's no need for that bruh.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
650
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:02:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Hagintora wrote:OK, so potentially stupid question, but why don't they just switch the High/Low Slot loadout of Logi, and Assault Suits? Off hand it would seem to fix the problem. Logi's could still be combat effective, and of course carry more equipment, but they wouldn't be able to out assault the Assault Suits anymore.
Is there something I'm missing that makes this a bad idea? Giving Assaults more slots will only make them closer to Sentinels instead of Logis. Logis just need their slot count reduced and CPU/PG lowered slightly. Then Assaults need a CPU/PG increase and some other stat changes. Edit: And for Scouts, I think they need to be changed back a bit as well (yes, that means nerfed, but I'm getting all the Scouts after me if I say that).
I don't think scouts will be a major problem, with the buffs they will be finally viable. I am still far more concerned about tanks. And to a lesser degree about heavies. They got a series of serious buffs and will be quite powerfull maybe even the most powerfull infantry on the field as HMG did not get nerfed the same way like rifles.
So the HMG will be the highest full auto DPS weapon on the field coupled with the new resistances and new heavy stats they will deliver quite a punch... |
Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
379
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:09:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Lol assault style scouts will just be another assault for me to assassinate. So go for it. Just remember you med frames will come to scout, whine like crazy (second loudest whiners to tankers), suit will get nerfed back to 1.7 values and then you will whine for a respec.
And the cloak??? It's useless except maybe to try to run away and most true scouts couldn't care less about it. In fact most of us don't even want it in the game. Chill yo. We're jus' tryin'to have a civil discussion and then you come in here with inflammatory comments. There's no need for that bruh.
Ok braaa. Thanks for the virtual adavan. Something tells me I'm probably chill enjoying the whine fest with my cheetos ;)
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4510
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:14:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Lol assault style scouts will just be another assault for me to assassinate. So go for it. Just remember you med frames will come to scout, whine like crazy (second loudest whiners to tankers), suit will get nerfed back to 1.7 values and then you will whine for a respec.
And the cloak??? It's useless except maybe to try to run away and most true scouts couldn't care less about it. In fact most of us don't even want it in the game. Chill yo. We're jus' tryin'to have a civil discussion and then you come in here with inflammatory comments. There's no need for that bruh. Ok braaa. Thanks for the virtual adavan. Something tells me I'm probably chill enjoying the whine fest with my cheetos ;)
You're munching on cheetah balls and I'm reading up on my Fran+šaise+Žses. ;_;
Let's switch! :D
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1733
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:48:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Hagintora wrote:OK, so potentially stupid question, but why don't they just switch the High/Low Slot loadout of Logi, and Assault Suits? Off hand it would seem to fix the problem. Logi's could still be combat effective, and of course carry more equipment, but they wouldn't be able to out assault the Assault Suits anymore.
Is there something I'm missing that makes this a bad idea? Giving Assaults more slots will only make them closer to Sentinels instead of Logis. Logis just need their slot count reduced and CPU/PG lowered slightly. Then Assaults need a CPU/PG increase and some other stat changes. Edit: And for Scouts, I think they need to be changed back a bit as well (yes, that means nerfed, but I'm getting all the Scouts after me if I say that).
I agree that 1.8 scouts not running a cloak are looking like they have a generous amount of fitting.
P.S.: It's ok if you get yourself flayed alive by nova knives for the greater good of DUST - it would be a noble death. Those of us who remembered would raise a toast to you under the light of alien double moons each year on the anniversary of your death-by-scouts. o7.
I support SP rollover.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
176
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:18:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:
Check out the big brains on Brett!
+1 for the Sammy quote
On the thread
- I think people will go scout for cloak / two equipment slots but lets not go overbaord, Assaults will still be better open area killers and more durable.
Its your choice to forego armor for dampening. Not all make that choice. If Dampening is that important to you couldve gone Scout.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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