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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:04:00 -
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Identity Denied wrote:90% of players are in agreement that the heavy/light weapon combo is broken and OP. Even without other heavy weapons (Currently), its a niche role, and supposed to be a niche role. Those that say otherwise are the scrubs that run Heavy frame with light weapons. (Leave that **** to the commando suits)
Especially with the current stats of the RR coupled with its range and effectiveness in close quarters.
CCP says that its our sandbox, and that we can play whatever way we want, fair enough.
I want to put an HMG on my scout. Period. I don't care if that's the ONLY thing that I can fit on it. That's what I want, that's how I want to play.
CCP says I can't do that. It would realistically be totally OP, a fast moving ,small hit box, naturally dampened suit with a freaking minigun strapped around my shoulder jumping over things and melting your face while moving faster than your AA can lock on. Where is my sandbox now? Heavies are getting resistances to damage types, as well as having all these light/side arm weapon damage reductions, and damage mod reductions, while the heavy weapons are remaining untouched.
You are still going to see heavies with RR all the time because they have resistances to damage, higher HP pools, and now they will have a mag sec SMG that is basically an assault rifle as a side arm just in case anyone manages to get close enough to actually do damage to them.
As a scout, this really pisses me off.
As an assault this REALLY pisses me off because I don't even have the speed or damps of a scout.
As a heavy this also pisses me off because even using a heavy the way it is intended is still almost useless unless I want to simply sit on a point all game and defend it, which is a pretty useless idea considering that there aren't really many points in this game that have adequate cover for a slow moving heavy against long range light weapons.
As a commando this really pisses me off because there is no use to my suit, my slot layout is terrible, and come 1.8 the damage buff I'm going to get will still be UP compared to the sentinel suits damage resistances and ability to have a light weapon, plus how much less EHP I have in comparison, and how slow I move.
As a logi, this can go either way. If I decide to stick to a rep tool and hang off a heavies ass like a turd caught on a piece of hair, I'm laughing because I have a tank strapped to the end of my rep tool and I can laugh all the way to the bank farming WP. If I decide that uplinks, scans, and hives are more important than having an umbilical cord on a heavy suit, I'm pretty much boned because I won't be able to kill anything to clear the area for a revive, or get into a suitable area to drop uplinks, hives, and don't even get me started on the snap shot scanners with their ridiculous scan angles, and cool down time.
I'll be switching to a sentinel suit with a prototype RR ASAP and scrubbing it up with the rest of you. Goodbye sandbox, hello "Fall in line and be allowed to play with the other kids".
You should be able to put a HMG on any suit and it should come with a heavy speed penalty and resource consumption. If the suit has the CPU/PG then there should be no restrictions on what can be fit. Not trolling, I am 100% serious. I would love to see an assault suit with a HMG, and I think that some players would make it work.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance
336
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:28:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Identity Denied wrote:90% of players are in agreement that the heavy/light weapon combo is broken and OP. Even without other heavy weapons (Currently), its a niche role, and supposed to be a niche role. Those that say otherwise are the scrubs that run Heavy frame with light weapons. (Leave that **** to the commando suits)
Especially with the current stats of the RR coupled with its range and effectiveness in close quarters.
CCP says that its our sandbox, and that we can play whatever way we want, fair enough.
I want to put an HMG on my scout. Period. I don't care if that's the ONLY thing that I can fit on it. That's what I want, that's how I want to play.
CCP says I can't do that. It would realistically be totally OP, a fast moving ,small hit box, naturally dampened suit with a freaking minigun strapped around my shoulder jumping over things and melting your face while moving faster than your AA can lock on. Where is my sandbox now? Heavies are getting resistances to damage types, as well as having all these light/side arm weapon damage reductions, and damage mod reductions, while the heavy weapons are remaining untouched.
You are still going to see heavies with RR all the time because they have resistances to damage, higher HP pools, and now they will have a mag sec SMG that is basically an assault rifle as a side arm just in case anyone manages to get close enough to actually do damage to them.
As a scout, this really pisses me off.
As an assault this REALLY pisses me off because I don't even have the speed or damps of a scout.
As a heavy this also pisses me off because even using a heavy the way it is intended is still almost useless unless I want to simply sit on a point all game and defend it, which is a pretty useless idea considering that there aren't really many points in this game that have adequate cover for a slow moving heavy against long range light weapons.
As a commando this really pisses me off because there is no use to my suit, my slot layout is terrible, and come 1.8 the damage buff I'm going to get will still be UP compared to the sentinel suits damage resistances and ability to have a light weapon, plus how much less EHP I have in comparison, and how slow I move.
As a logi, this can go either way. If I decide to stick to a rep tool and hang off a heavies ass like a turd caught on a piece of hair, I'm laughing because I have a tank strapped to the end of my rep tool and I can laugh all the way to the bank farming WP. If I decide that uplinks, scans, and hives are more important than having an umbilical cord on a heavy suit, I'm pretty much boned because I won't be able to kill anything to clear the area for a revive, or get into a suitable area to drop uplinks, hives, and don't even get me started on the snap shot scanners with their ridiculous scan angles, and cool down time.
I'll be switching to a sentinel suit with a prototype RR ASAP and scrubbing it up with the rest of you. Goodbye sandbox, hello "Fall in line and be allowed to play with the other kids". You should be able to put a HMG on any suit and it should come with a heavy speed penalty and resource consumption. If the suit has the CPU/PG then there should be no restrictions on what can be fit. Not trolling, I am 100% serious. I would love to see an assault suit with a HMG, and I think that some players would make it work.
I understand what your saying but I disagree. I'd explain why but it'd take me another 6 paragraphs and I'm really just waiting for the other guy to respond lol. |
Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
250
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:34:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:really?? heavies can use a giant gun but cannt fit a simple light weapon that even a scout can handle?? shut the hell up with that crap there is no logic within the OPs head it must be full of rocks or something
dont waste our time with this dumbass suggestion when you lured us into this thread with a false title
Use ur crutch much?
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Identity Denied
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2014.03.06 00:09:00 -
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If its supposed to be a sandbox, and were supposed to be able to fit whatever we want, I want a HMG on my scout. I don't care if in the end it isn't a viable fit. I want the option to fit my suits the way I want to, much like the current heavy suits are able to fit light weapons into their heavy slot.
Simple as that. It just happens that the heavy suit has the highest base EHP, and at proto level with complex kinkats you can sprint at the same speed or higher as a medium suit with the same amount of armor and shields due to the medium suit having to stack armor plates.
Try it out for yourself. I now have a heavy suit with 1200 EHP, with a RR, who sprints at ~6 m/s. I don't need to sprint long distances, I have the EHP to tank shots and sprint to cover, let my stamina come back, and do it again. Always advancing up the field, and taking out anyone who comes my way before they can even get within effective range because I'm running a proto RR, if they do get in range, the same proto RR is amazing in close quarters and since the strafe speed is still high enough on a heavy for me to dance it out with them, chances are that between the damage the RR puts out, and the high EHP pool that I have, I'm going to win. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1903
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Posted - 2014.03.06 00:17:00 -
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Identity Denied wrote:CCP says that its our sandbox, and that we can play whatever way we want, fair enough.
I want to put an HMG on my scout. Period. I don't care if that's the ONLY thing that I can fit on it. That's what I want, that's how I want to play.
You can, so long as your scout is based off the heavy frame.
Welcome to sandbox.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:59:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Identity Denied wrote:CCP says that its our sandbox, and that we can play whatever way we want, fair enough.
I want to put an HMG on my scout. Period. I don't care if that's the ONLY thing that I can fit on it. That's what I want, that's how I want to play. You can, so long as your scout is based off the heavy frame. Welcome to sandbox. In other words: We have found a use for basic frames. Now CCP just needs to adjust them accordingly. Make them more flexible, so that you can get yourself a heavy scout or a light Logi. |
KIRSTY j
The Walking Targets
65
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:34:00 -
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I think scouts should be sidearm only. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1235
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:36:00 -
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For the same reason frigates can't fit large turrets as big as the ships themselves in EVE, scouts can't wield an HMG as big as themselves in DUST.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Feb. 10th
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2157
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:41:00 -
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You wanna know what I think? A heavy with a rifle is gonna be no match for a non-nerfed HMG, a buffed breach Mass Driver, a buffed laser rifle, a Shotgun, or Nova Knives.
A heavy with a light weapon was no more OP than a medium with the same weapon, Heavies aren't limited to their weapon choice because its actually stupid. Here you get to choose anyone of these Massive ****-off weapons, but you can't have that assault rifle because your fat. Once the rifles are nerfed you will see more heavies using MD/LR/Plc or HMG because these will be the weapons that will work well with the suit.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
338
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:55:00 -
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dev stated "once we have more heavy weapons, this problem will be addressed"...its in one of the recent weekly "feedback/fixes" threads. im not digging it up tho :) |
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Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:00:00 -
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Forget the sandbox, i want a litter box!
em ta kool t'nod
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1809
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:21:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Lol 90% is just too large
There's a good number of people who don't agree with heavies+rifles being a bad combination. You're probably gonna hear from them sooner than you think...Well unless the 1.8 Dev Blog made them focus their attention elsewhere. Well, I do know that (at least) 90% of people want to know where this "1.8 Devblog" you mention is....
BTW, Heavy frame/Sentinel + LW is bad mm'kay?
Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further
Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
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RydogV
Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn
673
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:27:00 -
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Why would you want to take on a Heavy by yourself, no matter what weapon they are using? I mean, sometimes it is unavoidable...you come around a corner and BAM, there's a Heavy. Run, shoot, curl up in a ball, whatever.
Then of course there is the Duke's of Hazzard Heavy. The one that roles up in his General Lee LAV, slides across the hood and begins to give you the business end of an HMG. Tough break (and bad game mechanics).
But all the other times, what is your thought process? Why would you engage knowing that you have your work cut out for you alone? If you have the element of surprise then that is one thing...come up behind, toss a grenade to soften them up and then unload...still risky but doable. Not to mention it is rare to catch a Heavy alone. So if you want to engage, then you better have help.
I have always been a firm believer that it should take at least 2 players to bring down a Heavy. As for a Scout carrying a HMG, that is just silly. It is not about 'sandbox' it is about what is somewhat practical. Is a heavy frame able to feasibly carry a light weapon? Sure. The same could not really be said for a light frame carrying a heavy weapon. But we could go round and round about how much a game should be grounded in reality.
Anyway, they are called a Heavy for a reason. I have never played the class but it all pretty much makes sense to me. Heavies kill me a lot and most of the time, I deserve it. |
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