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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:13:00 -
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Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
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General John Ripper
19051
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:15:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
all those stats you posted in the title are kind of average scores to good players.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
734
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:21:00 -
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It's actually pretty easy to reach super high KDRs. Just play against scubs using the most OP weapon and Proto suit you can find, sprinkle in some spawn camping and exploits.
I fully believe people when they spring these kinds of KDRs. What they don't tell you is who they were playing against or what weapon that were using.
Some even have the audacity to create alts and go Academy stomp. It's not skill when you beat up on total noobs please don't show us pics of those. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1573
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:24:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
Yeah, those scores really aren't hard to get. Maybe the 46-6 one, but that's purely because its hard to find that many people. I mean, my best ever record in the last two years of playing was 63-6 with a shotgun
But 20-0? Come on man, that's easy! A good sniper will get that almost every round, and I can do that pretty often too. I mean, think about it, look at the K/d's of the top 100 players in kills. If someone has an AVERAGE K/d of 4-5, is it not possible for them to get lucky and role high every once in a while?
In my opinion, when a score goes above 20 kills, and the K/d is still above 7, that's when things start to get a lot less likely.
I mean, I just went 14-2 with my Laser rifle suit....... The match before that I went 25-5 in my standard heavy suit. And honestly I don't think either of those scores are that great for me.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1573
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:27:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:It's actually pretty easy to reach super high KDRs. Just play against scubs using the most OP weapon and Proto suit you can find, sprinkle in some spawn camping and exploits.
I fully believe people when they spring these kinds of KDRs. What they don't tell you is who they were playing against or what weapon that were using.
Some even have the audacity to create alts and go Academy stomp. It's not skill when you beat up on total noobs please don't show us pics of those.
If it makes you feel any better....... I don't do that :)
I play almost exclusively ambush, and I tend to do good because based off who were playing and what map it is ill pick a corresponding suit that will allow me to survive in the worst possible scenarios, and thrive in the best possible scenarios. 36M SP has its perks sometimes
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
7082
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:29:00 -
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I get less than 20 kills only in the worst of matches
Heck, I got into a game late when our MCC shields were already gone, and I got 27 kills before the match ended. And that's running my ADV gear rather than PRO for a change.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
647
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:29:00 -
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If people are actually lying about the numbers, it is the second more than the first. Oh, 17/4 is pretty good but if you just drop that to 17/2 or 17/1 and suddenly it is so much more with only a little fudging...
There are also a lot of ways to pad kills. Blaster Tanks and Redline Snipers are the most obvious. Of course, if you are Squad Leader and call in good orbitals that could net you 15+ kill a match. As with all things, those games are generally not in succession and come and go.
In a game where I decide to play infantry, I can hit numbers like that though I usually die more because I like taking stupid risks as my suits are dirt cheap and it is always humorous running into a group of dudes with as many stones upstairs as downstairs. |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
135
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:29:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
Academy battles.
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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General John Ripper
19052
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:30:00 -
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if you are any good you can get 20+ kills in pretty much every single game.
20-30 kills are average. 30-40 decent. 40+ good game.
this is a picture of a great game.
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
67
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:33:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
It's nothing to boast about, it's called the other team were made up of idiots and a few new players, also half the people that brag about these scores are in a vehicle vs a team that's too dumb to bring out a forge gun or two. |
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Patrick57
5685
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:33:00 -
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My average battle these days (running a standard Scout suit) is 10-20 kills and 3-8 deaths. My best games are 30-45 kills and 2-6 deaths.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
1785
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:34:00 -
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It's really not that hard on certain matches. Yes, it's not common to see 30/0 but 40+/6 is quite common! 20/0, 20/1 etc are pretty easy to reach in ADV suit against the average playerbase. On other matches it is harder or impossible to reach those kind of ratios (unless you're a good sniper). Still, K/D must not be a relevant factor when trying to determine how good a player is.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
957
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:35:00 -
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Talking bout me? course you are.
Assassination is my thing.
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General John Ripper
19052
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:35:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:It's actually pretty easy to reach super high KDRs. Just play against scubs using the most OP weapon and Proto suit you can find, sprinkle in some spawn camping and exploits.
I fully believe people when they spring these kinds of KDRs. What they don't tell you is who they were playing against or what weapon that were using.
Some even have the audacity to create alts and go Academy stomp. It's not skill when you beat up on total noobs please don't show us pics of those. meh game but you dont need proto to get an alright score. militia can be good if you know how to use it.
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General John Ripper
19052
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:37:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:My average battle these days (running a standard Scout suit) is 10-20 kills and 3-8 deaths. My best games are 30-45 kills and 2-6 deaths. dammit patrick stop dying.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
2024
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:38:00 -
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if i'm not trolling in a heavy suit i'd be sad to havea 46/6 game, i'd of died too many times.
free suits and cheap suits are definately harder to keep the deaths down but the kills go up all the same. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
1322
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:39:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play.
it's the select few who've been playing for a long time who put up numbers like those you list.
but it's like that in every game, and even in real life. the few put in the work. the many ride the coattails of the few. |
danthrax martin
Butcher's Nails
51
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:40:00 -
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35-5 is my best with logi support. Usually more like 30+-17. I like running at objectives and trying to hold them.
Adv. Commando, AR / swarm
Adv. Sentinel, AR / HMG
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General John Ripper
19053
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:41:00 -
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26/2 and that was when my character was less than a month old. I was still using militia fumbling around as a complete noob...
noobs can do good they just choose not too.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion League of Infamy
768
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:41:00 -
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Stats? Stats in an unbalanced game?
I call it attention-whoring. |
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General John Ripper
19053
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:44:00 -
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decent game 39/1
sadly you cant tell what I was using in the pic so idk if it was another 30+ kills with militia gear or something else...
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
71
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:44:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play. Yeah, those scores really aren't hard to get. Maybe the 46-6 one, but that's purely because its hard to find that many people. I mean, my best ever record in the last two years of playing was 63-6 with a shotgun But 20-0? Come on man, that's easy! A good sniper will get that almost every round, and I can do that pretty often too. I mean, think about it, look at the K/d's of the top 100 players in kills. If someone has an AVERAGE K/d of 4-5, is it not possible for them to get lucky and role high every once in a while? In my opinion, when a score goes above 20 kills, and the K/d is still above 7, that's when things start to get a lot less likely. I mean, I just went 14-2 with my Laser rifle suit....... The match before that I went 25-5 in my standard heavy suit. And honestly I don't think either of those scores are that great for me.
I think Marston VC, in his followup post, makes a good point, namely that having 36M SP and the knowledge/fits to prevail in any given situation on a given map, goes quite a long way.
But the points he makes in the above quote are bogus, in my experience. DISCLAIMER: I make no claim to be an uber player, and I only play pub matches.
I primarily snipe, so I'm always checking for killboards after a match to see how I stack up against other snipers. On matches where I snipe and do well (which for me would be 10+/0-1), it is super uncommon to see anyone else on the board with <= 1 death. It just really doesn't happen that often, and if it does, it was either another sniper or (actually more likely) a proto frontline fit with hella much logi support. A good sniper doesn't go 20/0 most rounds unless they drop matches a lot to cherry pick maps.
I'd also point out that a lot of the top 100 players are throwaway alts where a player had a few ridiculously good round and stopped using that toon. Anyone that owns one of those characters and brags about it is a lamer.
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
86
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:45:00 -
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ItGÇÖs not hard to see why this is possible. . Dust allows you to become more powerful the longer you play, itGÇÖs cool because it means you will be more powerful then the people coming behind you, although the new player experience is so horrible I doubt there are going to BE many more new players. It sucks because most of these people have been playing over a year and you will never catch up. Take a look at shield extenders. Basic is 22, advanced 33, and complex 66. So at over one million SP to get to level 5 shield extenders and you get 3 times the shields as a noob. So a noob would have to do 3 times the damage you do to kill you. Plus, protos players usually run around in groups of 3-4 squad mates. Running with proto scanners and diversity so that everyone has a different way to kill you. One may have a SCR that is long range and melts shield, one with a CR that can melt armor. One with normal grenades, one with flux, one with proxies mine. It becomes very easy to mow down 90% of the other people playing, especially if you aren't in a group yourself. |
General John Ripper
19053
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:52:00 -
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damn just on a pic posting spree'
not a kdr pic but a funny fanmail i got. That game I had 50+ kills and double orbitals that I didnt use until the very end. I even dropped them both at the exact same spot. I just counted to 20 in between ob's,
I'm running out of pics on this phone but I have 3 other phones i could probably check but I am too lazy too. im done for now...
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
147
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:01:00 -
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The scores listed in the title are fairly rare in a standard ambush (just because there are not enough clones to go around), but pretty common in Dom/Skirm. A good slayer will generally get ~20 kills and maybe die 3-5 times. Add in squad support and running proto gear and you'll see the kills creep up and the deaths go down. I typical play pubs alone in an ADV assault (also a closet sniper when things get rough) and usually have a kill count in the low 20's with 4-5 deaths. The real monsters out there will rack up 25+ kills in most games with only a handful of deaths. It would be more illuminating to know if the score posted was an outlier or not.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7830
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:07:00 -
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I score in excess of 20 rather more infrequently than I would like.
Understandably getting between 10-2o kills though isn't too hard.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
907
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:10:00 -
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My best? 19/10 with dampened shotty scout in a city map in domination.
Psycho Scout that likes knives and explosions
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General John Ripper
19054
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:15:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I score in excess of 20 rather more infrequently than I would like.
Understandably getting between 10-2o kills though isn't too hard. :/ I'd help you but its hard get any kills with my kill stealing ass around
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
818
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:23:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Everyone keeps boasting that they are able to get inflated kids in a match like these. That is hard to believe, as most matches consist on player never reaching the 20 kill mark, let alone reaching that point without dying.
When I see people post scores like these, I can't help but cut the kill count in half of what they are actually boasting about. How's about you godly players take a picture if the score board, and prove your score that way. I'm not saying its impossible to get a score like that, but you people make it sound like you get that score on nearly every game you people play. I got a 45-5 today, solo and with an HMG (not a weapon I regularly use). I took a photo but can't be arsed to sign up to a photo sharing site just to satisfy your requirements. It looks like this though [with my annotation, for your reading pleasure]:
VICTORY
FORTY-NINE FEDAYEEN Ryme Intrinseca - Fatal Absolution - 45/5 - 2600 [no time to drop OB though ] Gurjn - Kameira Lodge - 18/8 [blurry, could be 10/0] - 3740 [logi maybe?] 14 more dudes
JOINT HARVESTING James Deffenba [name disappears] - D3M3M3NT3ED M1NDZ - 4/0 - 2040 [another logi?] Tech Dock - Valor Coalition - 15/14 - 1670 14 more dudes [props to all, they kept pushing]
I don't think anyone gets scores like that 'nearly every game' but good players will certainly get 30+ several times a week. I have four or five 40+ this month (the best with 0 deaths was 43-0) and I'm only quite good. Better players (not me ) get 40+ regularly, and the odd 50+ or 60+. Arkena will be in in a min with pics I expect . So now you know. |
Piercing Serenity
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:26:00 -
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Personally, I consider a 40+ game with under 10 deaths in the current build a very good game. This is for a number of reasons, mostly because you have to be very aggressive to actually find 40+ people, and in doing that you are far more likely to catch a stray RR or ScR bullet and bite the dust.
Although old (And I mean Chromosome old), my all time best score was 75/5. I have never gotten a 70+ game again in my life.
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