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lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 507	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:05:00 - [31] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: lDocHollidayl wrote: Lets use logic. Find the dps... then find the damage per clip... Then compare to all other rifles and no one can deny the facts. the ar has twice the damage in a mag vs the scrambler not on an amarr assault before it blows up in your face which could only mean the ar is op Some numbers to see perspective with. Duvoulle: DPS-467.5 per second with 12.5 bullets leaving chamber per second ASCR: -465.9 with 11.75 bullets SCR: -930.6 with 11.75 bullets (this over heats at bullet count 15 and 22 according to you) One may see that the SCR puts out in 2 seconds 1861.2 dmg while the duvoulle does 935. Your are correct that on the 23rdish bullet the SCR overheats but you must see how someone may read these numbers and say OP. This is all not including the charged shot which I think was recorded at 475 dmg. Now let us look at damage per clip, For the sake of realistic game play I will not include overheating because we will assume the player avoids this with skill and is still able to deal lots of damage without the reload. Duv- 2244 SCR- 3564 (ignoring overheat) ASCR-2851 (no overheat possible) You may now see where the SCR has its true power. I encourage you to compare these with the CR and RR. RR actually has very "normal" numbers despite the forum outcries. You will see that the SCR if graphed has a significant difference. I know it overheats, I concede. You could be right and it is very balanced. I just have a hard time seeing these numbers and supporting your stance. Once their was a gun called the Creodon breach. When stats observed for damage per clip were noticed it quickly received a nerf from the Gods...but boy it sure had its hayday. This stat is the most influential on the battlefield in my opinion. PS the range on the SCR>AR Welcome to the community and I encourage you to bring numbers when asking for balance.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1042	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:30:00 - [32] - Quote All rifles are OP-even the ScR and AR that everyone says is UP. Use a weapon that requires some modicum of skill and then you can make judgements. ScR hits harder than a shotgun, with over 10x the range, and can be spammed in CQC. Also has the highest DPS of any rifle, and rivals the HMG, and can fire more shots before overheat than the CR can bursts in a clip AR has higher DPS than any other full auto weapon other than the assault rail rifle, and has higher DPS than the shotgun. Great blindfire+ sharpshooter skill, and the ability to strafe while firing away RR has the highest range of any non-sniper, massive alpha, very good hip fire, great scope, non existent dispersion, the most aim assist, and a huge continuous fire capability CR has extreme alpha, very powerful, outdpses all but the ScR, very good range, best fitting capabilities, and is a better shotgun than a shotgun (higher dps, with only about 1/4 the alpha) Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 255	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:00:00 - [33] - Quote you can't compare a semi-auto to an automatic gun on damage per bullet semi-auto wins every time or dps since since your assuming every bullet hits. automatic guns have a much higher chance of hitting compared to semi-auto rifles, these are just some of they factors that are overlooked or ignored when comparing rifles I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 608	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:14:00 - [34] - Quote Managing your OH is quite easy, red bar gets 80% full try not to spam the triger. The OH damage is hilariously small, especialy compaired to the LR. Its a single shot weapon, if the user is not at least a decent shot its not going to feel OP. If I wrote a post about how I skilled into proto Flaylock then proceeded to post about how i thought it was over powered because I happend to kill a ton of people with it would you belive me? I have downed entire squads with a single mag using the adv Scr. My one experiance dosent make it OP, but the overwhelming number of recourded experiances of it being OP and also MATH kinda make your "opinion" seam kinda ... well... just an opinion These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1884	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:29:00 - [35] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: All true. ScR also takes a modicum of skill. Not a ton, but that's more than a good chunk of people playing this game have. Spray and pray FTW. I'm also giving you a +1 for the signature. Agreed. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 468	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:35:00 - [36] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Thank you OP, You just pointed out why the AK.0+ScR is broken. Fear of overheating is not a factor with the AK.0 I want to make a point here, the ak.0 isn't what slows down heat build up. The Amarr Assault skill is what does that. If I have Amarr Assault V and want to run a cheap Assault A-I fit, the heat aspect will be identical as if I ran with an Assault ak.0. The synergy between suit and gun that people ***** about is not really between suit and gun, it's between skill and gun. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 255	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:42:00 - [37] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: I have downed entire squads with a single mag using the adv Scr. My one experiance dosent make it OP, but the overwhelming number of recourded experiances of it being OP and also MATH kinda make your "opinion" seam kinda ... well... just an opinion math doesn't mean a thing i ran a scrambler pistol with no damage mod on as a slayer logi back when the minmatar was the only logi suit till the scrambler rifle came out. and according to "math" that shouldn't be a viable fit but i still pull it off and even got the scrambler pistol nerfed along with hbonney. so you can fall back on math as your argument as much as you want but it doesn't mean **** till used on the battlefield. now ask yourself this if 4 new players of equal skill spec into the different racial rifles and all took turns fighting each other 1v1 can you honestly say the scrambler rifle would win. its not how good a gun is in numbers but how good it makes the average player p.s. slayer logi b4 it was cool I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1409	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:46:00 - [38] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Thank you OP, You just pointed out why the AK.0+ScR is broken. Fear of overheating is not a factor with the AK.0 Nor should it have to. The problem is: the other assaults don't help out their weapons as much. In 1.8, only 2 suits will improve their weaponry and some will only work for certain racial weapons, not all.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 83	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:54:00 - [39] - Quote Well, i've seen some people kill more than 3 people in a row with the Viziam, crazy KDR, they're unstoppable. Personally, i'm very UP with a SCr, but that's only cuz i have level 1 operation and my suits are Gallente, so i don't get any bonus for it. I'm not good with it, but it's a killing machine in Amarr assaults or any proto suit if it's well trained,even the ADV SCr. We can say that scouts suits suck if we only skill up to level 1. You need more than that to fully grasp how good a thing is or can be, so... how many levels did you train?
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 259	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:07:00 - [40] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: Well, i've seen some people kill more than 3 people in a row with the Viziam, crazy KDR, they're unstoppable. Personally, i'm very UP with a SCr, but that's only cuz i have level 1 operation and my suits are Gallente, so i don't get any bonus for it. I'm not good with it, but it's a killing machine in Amarr assaults or any proto suit if it's well trained,even the ADV SCr. We can say that scouts suits suck if we only skill up to level 1. You need more than that to fully grasp how good a thing is or can be, so... how many levels did you train? proto with proficiency 5 since i use the carthum I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style

Chuckles Brown 212	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:29:00 - [41] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Thank you OP, You just pointed out why the AK.0+ScR is broken. Fear of overheating is not a factor with the AK.0 In a pub it's OP, yes. But playing against a good player (PC) or a Heavy that's bricked to fck you still have to manage the overheat and hit your shots. The gun and the suit alone is almost 3 million SP, and that shtty Amarr Assault is ONLY good for for using the SCR (Laser too, but lol laser). Besides, even without the the slightly extended heat build up, you can always just switch to a sidearm. 11 shots from a ScP is hard to stand up to. The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1892	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:34:00 - [42] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Lets use logic. Find the dps... then find the damage per clip... Then compare to all other rifles and no one can deny the facts. Heh, can you manage to tap the trigger 750 times per minute? 11 Times a second? And you don't think that The gun MAY OH at that level of fire? Regardless of the level of Amarr Assault you have? Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.


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