DUST Search - All players need to be heard CCP

Joel II X wrote:

In my opinion, players shouldn't be heard unless something really IS wrong. You can't please everyone.

CCP should try balancing the game by themselves first. Then, they should test it. Can't use a test server thanks to Sony? Tell them that it is necessary. If they still won't budge, bypass it with stone other method. Use the "other contracts" to test the damn game. If something is OP or UP, balance it. Found a bug? Fix it. Not happy with the way something works? Change it.

Then, once all that is done, let the players get a taste of the game. If they like it, your job is done. If they cry and have actual evidence that something is completely OP and not working as intended, then change it after you browse through the evidence telling you that it needs work. If people call OP on something that killed them, but is working as intended, don't change it.

The game is being made by CCP, not the players. This isn't open source. The idea is likable, but it won't get you far unless you have a truly unbiased, trustable player base (something hard to achieve in a F2P game).

This is all my opinion, of course.

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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:17:00 - [1] - Quote At the moment I feel that only the rich prostomping scrubs get there horrid Ideas heard not all of you guys some of ya actually whant to help the game thank you. But really the new gamers get stomped they shouldnt have much a word though in the first place. But the experienced players that aren't exploiting PC should be listed to not "lol no",or "soontm". or "go to eve fanfest". Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:20:00 - [2] - Quote PFFFFTTTTT Trust me when I say they don't listen to us any more then they listen to you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:27:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: PFFFFTTTTT Trust me when I say they don't listen to us any more then they listen to you. If this is true then CCP you guys are royal dooche bags. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 508	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:30:00 - [4] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: All players need to be heard CCP No they don't BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 323	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:43:00 - [5] - Quote Pretty much everyone agrees that the game should be a bit easier on the new players, except when it comes to specific equipment, like tanks and REs, which give n00bs a chance vs 1k hp assault players. Then of course it's entirely 'unfair' that a n00b held his ground. CCP is in a tough spot, they want to reward those who stay, and yet keep a decent percentage of new players. They historically favor the vets, but they will likely deliver a PvE mode to coddle those new players who are sure they will be on equal ground as soon as they have all of the SP and ISK. Lets just hope the PvE training prepares them for PvP instead of making them even more complacent. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1202	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:48:00 - [6] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: At the moment I feel that only the rich prostomping scrubs get there horrid Ideas heard not all of you guys some of ya actually whant to help the game thank you. But really the new gamers get stomped they shouldnt have much a word though in the first place. But the experienced players that aren't exploiting PC should be listed to not "lol no",or "soontm". or "go to eve fanfest". lol no They listen to as many ideas as they can but for whatever reason, be it legitimate or not-legitimate, some of the ideas don't work well in-game. I believe static scanners was an idea a few players were talking about and now we're getting them. They definitely listened to feedback about the tanks and AV but it's hard trying to figure out the info from each side that's not going to break the balance they're looking for. Also listened to us on the Rail Rifles before they were released. Would you believe the Rail Rifle was even more OP before they dropped? Also heard us when there were constant threads about Logi-Slayers and the same about the equipment in 1.8. I could go on but I'm sure you get the deal. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1405	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:50:00 - [7] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: PFFFFTTTTT Trust me when I say they don't listen to us any more then they listen to you. CCP you guys are royal douchebags. ftfy Who wants some?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2194	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:23:00 - [8] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: At the moment I feel that only the rich prostomping scrubs get there horrid Ideas heard not all of you guys some of ya actually whant to help the game thank you. But really the new gamers get stomped they shouldnt have much a word though in the first place. But the experienced players that aren't exploiting PC should be listed to not "lol no",or "soontm". or "go to eve fanfest". Not everyone on the forums are 24/7 protostompers who are exploiting PC. I sure ain't. CCP listens to everyone but I'm sure they put a little more stock in the opinions of vets because we have more experience with the game and past mistakes. Those people like Judge Rhadamanthus or Aeon Amadi who also have an established track record of being pretty damn accurate with their analysis of things honestly should be listened to more carefully anyway. I don't see a problem with any of that. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 213	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:32:00 - [9] - Quote you new players have very little useful information unfortunately. for one, you probably come from COD and BF, and your first instinct is to compare. second, you were never there for build 1 or 2 so your "why is there a cap" argument is old and stupid. the B1 vets have seen this game go through so many changes, good and bad, and right now, were just trying to keep this technical roller coaster afloat. some people may think this game is broken, but believe me its fine. tell me everything thats wrong currently, and i'll give you a list 4x longer that was wrong 1 build ago. WORKING AS TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE WITH IT BEING A F2P CCP GAME...(TM) VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 129	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:10:00 - [10] - Quote They can't realistically reply to everyone, and the fact that the devs that do respond get barraged with insults/demands doesn't exactly help. I wouldn't want to respond at all after seeing the 100th thread saying (insert insult here). Level 5 proficiency in throat punching

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1812	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:38:00 - [11] - Quote They do listen us and our suggestions. You may think they don't but they do. Just like you think all those LEDS stay lit but in fact they are usually blinking. Just because we think something doesn't make it true. Many of our suggestions have influenced the game. I wish hey would tag all the game features that were player influenced. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2393	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:49:00 - [12] - Quote Well I don't know about other Pubstompers or PC players, but I have Kane Spero on the CPM0. It feels like I am basically talking to CCP. FYI, my interests come before any garbage no-name corporation. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4783	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:04:00 - [13] - Quote Some players are just plain stupid. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:18:00 - [14] - Quote The problem is we have now 3 "playgrounds". The one who is supposed to be for the "older ones" is broken and accessible only for few.(yes thats PC) The anther one who was supposed for the "middle ones" is getting ignored because you have to calculate is this paying off or not and the "small ones" run in it around like crazy ( this is FW ). So at the moment all are playing in pub's. Making PC accessible for more players ( I'm talking about players not corporations ). Making LP payouts in FW larger and LP market work only with LP will give noobs space in pub's. read this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=145067&p=2
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4783	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:21:00 - [15] - Quote Paul Ellinas wrote: Making PC accessible for more players ( I'm talking about players not corporations ). Are you saying that PC needs more players instead of the current 32 cap we have now? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 494	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:24:00 - [16] - Quote this game takes time and connections to become known like anything else in life. you cant just send a quick email to the president of the US and be like "hey, taxes are OP and a 60mph speed limit on the highway is lame. do something." this game is much different then many others because of its small player base, this gives you the ability to actually run into people many times and become known as that guy. look for people you may have heard of and just try to squad with them... you may get kicked if you suck but if you communicate( ie. have a head set) then they may keep you around. join public corp channels and squad with people who have there voices heard by CCP more then others. or look for other ways of communicating with CCP, (ie. twitter or Skype) there are just over 103,000 threads on the dust forums with millions of posts. also don't call out us protostompers because one day you too will purchase a proto suit only to find it has been nurfed to freezing HelI because of your QQing. I reject you reality and substitute my own.
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1753	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:27:00 - [17] - Quote You haven't been here long, a lot of the vets left cuz they'd listen to dumb scrubs instead of listening to people who actually know how to play the game. I'd rather this still be in closed beta. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 498	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:38:00 - [18] - Quote CCP! Listen to me, DUST needs to be less like an FPS and more like Peggle. Protostomping sucks, what we need is Pegglestomping. We should be able to skill into various special moves like the pinball flippers and have proto flippers that have extended range so the ball thing can't fall off the screen. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Rinas Rylos Rinas' Raiders 88	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:47:00 - [19] - Quote I think what a lot of people forget is that EVE and Dust are mainly based around one thing: ISK. They've got an in-house economist at their HQ for a reason, and part of that is why they're slow in implementing changes to Dust. Remember, we are not the only players in New Eden; Dust can and does affect EVE on some level, but they're planning on (eventually) merging the two economies, and something like that has to be handled tactfully, else they run the risk of inflation from Dust players gaining too much ISK and pissing off the flying space bastards (Capsuleers). TL;DR: This economy **** be tricky, yo. Have you checked out my diary?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4784	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:52:00 - [20] - Quote Rinas Rylos wrote: This economy ** be tricky, yo. It's Tricky 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance

Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 320	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:55:00 - [21] - Quote Im aware Ccp doesn't listen to me, Im still going to be on here everyday advocating the game be made more like eve. I liked eve and I care about this game and what it should be.
ONE-I-BANDIT The Generals General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:05:00 - [22] - Quote The new players need to read a bit more carefully in the skills they put into. If they go scanner right away with no armor/shields upgrades of course they are going to get owned. What does every one think about having some type of SP limit before going into like scanner or some other aspect that does not help the newbie stay alive. I know this game is about choice but if they dont read then they dont get better. Wait till they get a load of me Proto Logi /Big Bad Tanker/ Beginner Heavy HMG

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2295	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:10:00 - [23] - Quote Extensive work is being done on improving the game for both New and Experienced Players. The NPE in particular is something we're conscious of and holding at the very heart of what we're focusing on. I'll be able to share more exciting things in time. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1413	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:21:00 - [24] - Quote In my opinion, players shouldn't be heard unless something really IS wrong. You can't please everyone. CCP should try balancing the game by themselves first. Then, they should test it. Can't use a test server thanks to Sony? Tell them that it is necessary. If they still won't budge, bypass it with stone other method. Use the "other contracts" to test the damn game. If something is OP or UP, balance it. Found a bug? Fix it. Not happy with the way something works? Change it. Then, once all that is done, let the players get a taste of the game. If they like it, your job is done. If they cry and have actual evidence that something is completely OP and not working as intended, then change it after you browse through the evidence telling you that it needs work. If people call OP on something that killed them, but is working as intended, don't change it. The game is being made by CCP, not the players. This isn't open source. The idea is likable, but it won't get you far unless you have a truly unbiased, trustable player base (something hard to achieve in a F2P game). This is all my opinion, of course.
ONE-I-BANDIT The Generals General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:27:00 - [25] - Quote There are players that have been around since day one and have brought up many things that need attention and are real but does not get done. Thats when the monthly hot fixes were started but still problems that at the core like hit detection was still not right and ppl let them know. Has it gotten better yes but how long did it take with ppl saying some thing for it to get addressed. That is the point Wait till they get a load of me Proto Logi /Big Bad Tanker/ Beginner Heavy HMG
Ghural The Southern Legion League of Infamy 179	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:48:00 - [26] - Quote Good to hear that the NPE is getting some much needed attention.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4681	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:56:00 - [27] - Quote hans.jagerblitzen Search that on Skype and add him. Talk to him about your fears you stated in this thread, and let him explain to you why you needn't worry. This guy is probably the only CPM I'd vote for if he ran for re-election. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1884	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:00:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Extensive work is being done on improving the game for both New and Experienced Players. The NPE in particular is something we're conscious of and holding at the very heart of what we're focusing on. I'll be able to share more exciting things in time. Walks forward from shadow Whispers Tiericide... Walks back into shadow Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1884	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:01:00 - [29] - Quote Joel II X wrote: In my opinion, players shouldn't be heard unless something really IS wrong. You can't please everyone. CCP should try balancing the game by themselves first. Then, they should test it. Can't use a test server thanks to Sony? Tell them that it is necessary. If they still won't budge, bypass it with stone other method. Use the "other contracts" to test the damn game. If something is OP or UP, balance it. Found a bug? Fix it. Not happy with the way something works? Change it. Then, once all that is done, let the players get a taste of the game. If they like it, your job is done. If they cry and have actual evidence that something is completely OP and not working as intended, then change it after you browse through the evidence telling you that it needs work. If people call OP on something that killed them, but is working as intended, don't change it. The game is being made by CCP, not the players. This isn't open source. The idea is likable, but it won't get you far unless you have a truly unbiased, trustable player base (something hard to achieve in a F2P game). This is all my opinion, of course. You, sir, deserve to be written upon the DUST Monument (when we get one) for this tidbit of undying knowledge. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2298	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:29:00 - [30] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Extensive work is being done on improving the game for both New and Experienced Players. The NPE in particular is something we're conscious of and holding at the very heart of what we're focusing on. I'll be able to share more exciting things in time. Walks forward from shadow Whispers Tiericide... Walks back into shadow I....I swear I saw something out there. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian




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