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Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1561	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:33:00 - [1] - Quote So some of you bitter vets may vaguely remember me from chromosome back when I was one of the guys who always ran LR's. I like to think that I was running it before it became the new trend as I was using it as soon as it got introduced to the game. Or at the very least, I was one of the first people to understand it was terrible at close range, and more importantly, that its damage charged up over time (at least within my group of friends at the time). Well anyway, 1.0 dropped and the LR was ruined because of those awful iron sigts, coupled with TERRIBLE aim controls. Well, skip 5 months later and I find out the LR is at least decent again! Skip 6 months later and I have the proto amar suit and the proto LR again! Skip 8 months later and now the CR and RR generally out perform my LR suit at range......... So anyway, heres my new experiences with the gun as I have been running it a lot more often this past week. The reason I respecced into the LR was because I was looking for a long range "solution" for those open maps. At the time the CR and RR wasn't out yet so my only options were the Tac rifle, SR, and LR. The Tac R was nerfed to hell and I just didn't have it in me to spec into it. The SR was the first gun I unlocked in 1.0, and while I feel its good in close range and medium range, I don't really consider a good long range gun. So I specced into the LR and hey! Its good! But then the RR came out, and oh boy do I love it when that thing beats me at long range combat! Especially when im still in my optimal ...... Meanwhile its also good at close range where as I have to give up precious resources to fit a proto SMG. So anyway, I find that the LR is great when its in its optimal environment. Except when the RR is also in its optimal, because then I have to run away or 7/10 times ill lose that fight. And sometimes I just lol when a combat rifle beats me in mid range combat when im still in my optimal. Other then that, the LR works fine and I normally manage to pull in good scores with it! Except 50% of the time when I spawn into an ambush with the other team tank spamming! Then I just lose anyway....... SUCCESS!!!! (seriously I cant wait for 1.8 when CCP fixes this TTK nonsense ) Marston VC, STB Director
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 883	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:38:00 - [2] - Quote Lasers are awesome, my elm-7 can make guys think twice about hitting the open ground So your proto must be a delight to wipe out foolish red dots in your optimal Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1779	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:39:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, it's the same for me, always loved the LR, and have (unfortunately) skilled it even in 1.0. There are a few things to consider anyway: they're going to buff the damage a bit, and it's ok. They're going to rise maximum heat. And that's ok too. But they're leaving Amarr Assault bonus as it is. I wonder how much damage can a Viziam deal at its maximum heat and I wonder if it actually overheats on an Amarr suit. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 883	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:43:00 - [4] - Quote What! it's getting buffed??? lol, it's funny that because some guys can't use a weapon they cry UP!!! Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1561	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:44:00 - [5] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Yeah, it's the same for me, always loved the LR, and have (unfortunately) skilled it even in 1.0. There are a few things to consider anyway: they're going to buff the damage a bit, and it's ok. They're going to rise maximum heat. And that's ok too. But they're leaving Amarr Assault bonus as it is. I wonder how much damage can a Viziam deal at its maximum heat and I wonder if it actually overheats on an Amarr suit. Actually there not buffing the damage, there just increasing the "range" of its optimal range. It will be better at medium range, and it will have a longer range in general. There not doing anything to the damage of it, and I don't think there touching the heat build up at all. Marston VC, STB Director
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1779	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:45:00 - [6] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: What! it's getting buffed??? lol, it's funny that because some guys can't use a weapon they cry UP!!! Well, I don't think it's going to be a huge buff, it's getting a range buff too, but it's going to be pretty "light" buff afaik >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1561	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:45:00 - [7] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: What! it's getting buffed??? lol, it's funny that because some guys can't use a weapon they cry UP!!! Yeah, its getting an "optimal range buff" which will give it more overall range and more medium range capabilities. I think its a needed buff honestly, just so the LR can actually compete with the RR Marston VC, STB Director
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 202	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:46:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah I don't understand why so many people think the laser is horrible, I mean it can actually compete with the RR and CR you just got to pay a little attention to how much armor that person has. Basically if you don't have at least prof 3 or higher or have the capability to aim for the head continuosly then just stay away from gallente suits, or assault rifle wielding wannabe heavies. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1779	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:47:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Just to help explain, the Laser Rifle isn't actually getting more damage. It's just getting a better optimal/effective range curve so you do more damage over a wider range (both closer and further away). That and the zoom is improving. WAIT!... Its also noted that the more adv vertions are getting less heat build up..? doesnt theat equate to more dmg?? By shooting for longer? Quote: * Laser Rifle: - Increased effective range and increased damage at short range, reduced heat cost at ADV and PRO tiers. - Improved zoom FOV. (effectively more zoom) Mechanically, yes advanced and prototype will get more damage with sustained fire due to being able to fire for longer and you'll be able to stay at a higher damage point for longer. However, when we refer to it getting more damage we would be referring to base damage (or in the case of my earlier post, a better optimal/effective range curve giving it more damage at more ranges) rejoyce my friend :p yeah, I misread the post on the base damage n.n >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1077	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:09:00 - [10] - Quote Marston and his bloody viziam, I remember seeing you all the time running and zapping in chromosome. Getting the templar gear a little while back has made me start playing with the laser again, it's good fun. Can't wait for 1.8 buffs to it. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST

Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 202	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:20:00 - [11] - Quote Marston VC wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Yeah, it's the same for me, always loved the LR, and have (unfortunately) skilled it even in 1.0. There are a few things to consider anyway: they're going to buff the damage a bit, and it's ok. They're going to rise maximum heat. And that's ok too. But they're leaving Amarr Assault bonus as it is. I wonder how much damage can a Viziam deal at its maximum heat and I wonder if it actually overheats on an Amarr suit. Actually there not buffing the damage, there just increasing the "range" of its optimal range. It will be better at medium range, and it will have a longer range in general. There not doing anything to the damage of it, and I don't think there touching the heat build up at all. According to CCP Logibro I believe they're also decreasing heat build up for the higher tiers. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2469	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:43:00 - [12] - Quote Saw you running lasers in a match recently. I like to think a tiny bit of order has been restored to the universe. Hail Satan
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1563	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:49:00 - [13] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Saw you running lasers in a match recently. I like to think a tiny bit of order has been restored to the universe. Lol, I agree Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1563	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:50:00 - [14] - Quote Echoist wrote: Marston VC wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Yeah, it's the same for me, always loved the LR, and have (unfortunately) skilled it even in 1.0. There are a few things to consider anyway: they're going to buff the damage a bit, and it's ok. They're going to rise maximum heat. And that's ok too. But they're leaving Amarr Assault bonus as it is. I wonder how much damage can a Viziam deal at its maximum heat and I wonder if it actually overheats on an Amarr suit. Actually there not buffing the damage, there just increasing the "range" of its optimal range. It will be better at medium range, and it will have a longer range in general. There not doing anything to the damage of it, and I don't think there touching the heat build up at all. According to CCP Logibro I believe they're also decreasing heat build up for the higher tiers. Well if they do then lol, that'll be pretty nice! Even though the proto LR overheats at 17 with the amar suit anyway. I guess that would make the LR usable on other suits as well, similar to how the SR can be used on other suits. Marston VC, STB Director
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 816	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:04:00 - [15] - Quote How's the laser for ammo consumption? I played with it a little a while back and I seemed to run out of ammo much more than I do with AR etc, probably because engagement ranges are relatively long.
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1564	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:18:00 - [16] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: How's the laser for ammo consumption? I played with it a little a while back and I seemed to run out of ammo much more than I do with AR etc, probably because engagement ranges are relatively long. I always carry hives with me, which sucks because I can run a scanner on my SR suit. So basically, yeah, because of the nature of the gun it goes through ammo pretty quick. Marston VC, STB Director
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:19:00 - [17] - Quote Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1564	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:24:00 - [18] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. NOT TRUE!!!! I haven't specced into the proto RR yet Marston VC, STB Director
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:25:00 - [19] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. NOT TRUE!!!! I haven't specced into the proto RR yet I'd argue the scrambler is more powerful. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1564	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:27:00 - [20] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. NOT TRUE!!!! I haven't specced into the proto RR yet I'd argue the scrambler is more powerful. (shhhhhhh, let everyone think the RR is more powerful) But seriously, everyone says the SR is OP but hardly anyone uses them, at least not in comparison to the RR. If it were truly OP I would imagine more people would be using it. Marston VC, STB Director

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4744	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:36:00 - [21] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. NOT TRUE!!!! I haven't specced into the proto RR yet I'd argue the scrambler is more powerful. (shhhhhhh, let everyone think the RR is more powerful) But seriously, everyone says the SR is OP but hardly anyone uses them, at least not in comparison to the RR. If it were truly OP I would imagine more people would be using it. It's because it takes some (Read: minuscule) level of skill to handle, most just want to point their weapon in a direction and get easy kills, when TTK comes up we may see more using it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 816	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:36:00 - [22] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: How's the laser for ammo consumption? I played with it a little a while back and I seemed to run out of ammo much more than I do with AR etc, probably because engagement ranges are relatively long. I always carry hives with me, which sucks because I can run a scanner on my SR suit. So basically, yeah, because of the nature of the gun it goes through ammo pretty quick. Exactly my worry. Laser+Amarr assault sounds appealing but I <3 my scanner. Laser's not really viable on most logis either as you really need the sidearm, though Amarr logi might work.
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1565	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:37:00 - [23] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston you always have chased after the strongest weapons. NOT TRUE!!!! I haven't specced into the proto RR yet I'd argue the scrambler is more powerful. (shhhhhhh, let everyone think the RR is more powerful) But seriously, everyone says the SR is OP but hardly anyone uses them, at least not in comparison to the RR. If it were truly OP I would imagine more people would be using it. It's because it takes some (Read: minuscule) level of skill to handle, most just want to point their weapon in a direction and get easy kills, when TTK comes up we may see more using it. YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS!!!! IT TAKES SKILL TO USE THE SR!!! Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1565	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:39:00 - [24] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Marston VC wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: How's the laser for ammo consumption? I played with it a little a while back and I seemed to run out of ammo much more than I do with AR etc, probably because engagement ranges are relatively long. I always carry hives with me, which sucks because I can run a scanner on my SR suit. So basically, yeah, because of the nature of the gun it goes through ammo pretty quick. Exactly my worry. Laser+Amarr assault sounds appealing but I <3 my scanner. It's not really viable on most logis either as you really need the sidearm, though Amarr logi might work. Well, in my opinion, you should only be engaging in long range anyway, so the scanner is less important. And im sure that by now you know how much of a crutch the scanners are. Considering there getting uber nerfed next build I would start getting off of them if I were you. Marston VC, STB Director
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4747	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:42:00 - [25] - Quote Well Marston minuscule skill is leaps and bounds from no skill I suppose. However as long as my MD remains a more skilled weapon I will not acknowledge that weapon as anything to be proud of. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1566	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:44:00 - [26] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Well Marston minuscule skill is leaps and bounds from no skill I suppose. However as long as my MD remains a more skilled weapon I will not acknowledge that weapon as anything to be proud of. What about the Assault SR??? And the MD is wonderful if you have any sort of high ground on somebody. Especially right now considering everyone runs armor tanks. My LR is worse off because everyone is running armor tanks :( Marston VC, STB Director
Atiim 5211	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:46:00 - [27] - Quote Marston VC wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Yeah, it's the same for me, always loved the LR, and have (unfortunately) skilled it even in 1.0. There are a few things to consider anyway: they're going to buff the damage a bit, and it's ok. They're going to rise maximum heat. And that's ok too. But they're leaving Amarr Assault bonus as it is. I wonder how much damage can a Viziam deal at its maximum heat and I wonder if it actually overheats on an Amarr suit. Actually there not buffing the damage, there just increasing the "range" of its optimal range. It will be better at medium range, and it will have a longer range in general. There not doing anything to the damage of it, and I don't think there touching the heat build up at all. Higher tiers will receive a larger heat sink to add an incentive to use them. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4747	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:47:00 - [28] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Well Marston minuscule skill is leaps and bounds from no skill I suppose. However as long as my MD remains a more skilled weapon I will not acknowledge that weapon as anything to be proud of. What about the Assault SR??? And the MD is wonderful if you have any sort of high ground on somebody. Especially right now considering everyone runs armor tanks. My LR is worse off because everyone is running armor tanks :( The ASR is an abomination worthy of a barrage of rounds from the barrels of a Hel. It shouldn't be as good as it is. I'd say it shouldn't even exist. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2191	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:52:00 - [29] - Quote Can confirm that CCP said the heat build up will decrease as you go up tiers. It's killing me that I have the Templar LR just sitting there gathering dust while I wait for them to fix it!! I want it NAOW CCP! LR is not useless, certainly, but it's infuriating getting taken down by RR scrubs in heavy suits in it's optimal. How a fully automatic weapon with the range of the LR, DPS and ease of use of the AR, no bullet trails, and a better scope than the old TAR made sense to anyone is difficult to comprehend. Without the benefit of the Amarr assault bonus on my logi suits the LR just isn't viable. So I went back to the ScR and CR (similar mechanic but way less fitting cost). For now.... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1566	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:53:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Well Marston minuscule skill is leaps and bounds from no skill I suppose. However as long as my MD remains a more skilled weapon I will not acknowledge that weapon as anything to be proud of. What about the Assault SR??? And the MD is wonderful if you have any sort of high ground on somebody. Especially right now considering everyone runs armor tanks. My LR is worse off because everyone is running armor tanks :( The ASR is an abomination worthy of a barrage of rounds from the barrels of a Hel. It shouldn't be as good as it is. I'd say it shouldn't even exist. Lol sinboto, I respected you up until about one sentence ago I think you need to try out the ASR and see that its pretty bad, especially right now! Marston VC, STB Director



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