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Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 61	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto?
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 700	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto?
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:46:00 - [3] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 I go negative in PC, yay
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2092	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote We aren't saying don't ever run it pubs, your quite right you have everyright to flaunt your cool gea. And loose it, feel the loss, like the school bully stole your lolly pop. Then getting revenge on the guy who killed you, like finding that bully is now your housemaid. But 1) Do you have to wear it 24/7 ? 2) Would it not be more skillful to achieve the same thing in mlt? 3) Couldn't you do FW? You know the no holds barred section at the moment. I have proto but it rarely leaves the closet, I can't bear to loose such a plush suit for some KDR padding. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 700	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:51:00 - [5] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 Ha it's a legit question. I can beat up a helluva lot of 12 year olds but that doesn't make me a world class boxer. Nor do I get off stroking my epeen.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote i never got annoyed by people protostomping. just one of my ADS' costs slightly over half a mil isk and i call them in almost every game, but if i am on the ground and the bad guys are protostomping i just avoid them or stick around with the good guys and try to focus fire, taking a proto down with an all BPO suit and huckin' a nade on their body to bleed em out feels good. protostomping never bothered me, its your SP and ISK. its not cheating do what makes you happy with it http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:58:00 - [7] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 309	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:03:00 - [8] - Quote The issue isn't the proto gear or those that use it. They have every right to do so. I've ran my proto 6 times and I felt dirty using it in pubs. The problem is there isn't anywhere eles to use it. Pc is all locked down. Fw lacks rewards that people really want. Combine that with broken PC and the result is the proto stomping. my name is boba and im a hoarder.
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:03:00 - [9] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. I go negative in PC, yay
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1576	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:07:00 - [10] - Quote I run proto only when necessary. I have several proto suits, logi, heavy, assault, but the reward vs. risk is not worth it. If you run proto suits and lose more than 3 you are in the red. So I think I do well enough with my cheap suit or advance suit. I know I have enough ISK but I cannot justify spending millions so a tank or an RE destroys it. No thanks just going to run what I am used to until heavies are true heavies again. That meaning a RR or another light weapon cannot melt my heavy suit in a few hits. A heavy before 1.8

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:09:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. And a damn good one at that!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:11:00 - [12] - Quote Back to the topic at hand, I run proto the vast majority of the time these days (and obviously I have no issue with others that do the same). Don't like it? Kill me enough to change suits. It's not that hard, as I'm not that good.
Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:15:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1548	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:19:00 - [14] - Quote i see no problem in running proto, as a matter of fact, i like it when people do, and i run proto as well. it gives me a challenge, which is very hard to find these days. while i hate being killed by proto RRs and CRs in under a second, that's pretty much the only way for me to be challenged, and even then, i rarely see a proto who actually challenges me. that's why i respect you and Minora so much. you guys are some of the only people who actually gets my adrenaline pumping again, knowing it's sure to be a great fight against you. on a side note, does it count as protostomping if i'm doing it in a scout suit? Anime > EVERYTHING
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:25:00 - [15] - Quote What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:25:00 - [16] - Quote You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. It's just you using the gear you've earned to outmatch your opponents to increase your chance for a better score, increasingly your seemingly low confidence. This isn't frowned upon, even in pub matches. It can be argued, less skilled players should use Proto gear to help them compete. So you are only trying to do your best to keep up with the rest, this shouldn't be perceived as a negative. You've earned the right to use whatever gear you want, when you want, and play how you want. If you need a boost to compete, then you need a boost. FYI - You'll know when you get Proto stomped, if you need to see a video you can check out Moody's 'I reported you' video on YouTube. If you think spawning and dying before you can fire a shot the entire match is perfectly acceptable, then find a group of elite players and join a pub match. Oh, and please remember before the match starts check out the player lists, and if you see elite players on the opposite team quickly leave the lobby. This way you avoid and sort of misunderstanding or a competing match. - Cots
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:39:00 - [17] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. I go negative in PC, yay
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11746	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:40:00 - [18] - Quote I've had full proto fits unlocked since a bit before Uprising. I still have yet to use them more than a handful of times for giggles Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 176	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:51:00 - [19] - Quote The main problem with proto is the try hard district holding corps that lock their districts and make buckets and budgets of isk. They can then run proto endlessly in pub matches without having to worry about staying isk positive. They are causing a huge imbalance in the game as district locking removes the risk/reward of using proto gear since they can use proto all day everyday and still make isk. Nothing even remotely close to district locking exists in EVE. Your SOV can be attacked at any time and you MUST be willing to defend it 24/7. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 30	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:59:00 - [20] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. Dear Cotsy8, Please refrain from calling Cat Lady and idiot or you may earn yourself a special concerted effort from Opus to ensure you are swiftly terminated in battle. As for me, I rarely run proto because i am simply not good enough to make it a financially viable option. As soon as i die consistently less than 3 times per match i will be wearing it with pride.... Kill them all.

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 177	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:02:00 - [21] - Quote i mainly run my proto gear as its the best/most effecient/effecitve gear i have.. sometimes i like running my bpo suits to grind the cash to keep them stocked. but when i want to win........or have fun.
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 96	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:03:00 - [22] - Quote Let's just say this :) When you break out your proto, You're letting the other team know that they're allowed to proto stomp you. Because the instant you kill someone with it, they have every right to go full proto and stomp you out. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2988	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:05:00 - [23] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1263	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:15:00 - [24] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 198	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:56:00 - [25] - Quote I only wear it when I think I can carry my whole team to victory in my absurdly large backpack =) What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2989	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:59:00 - [26] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP. Just seems like a weird way of looking at it to me. It takes a long time to skill up a single role. Why wouldn't you want that grind to pay off? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2150	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:03:00 - [27] - Quote Personally, I think proto should stay out of pubs. As such, I never run it there (actually I never really run it as I am not among the dust 1% who can afford to do so regularly). Skilled players can dominate without it, no doubt about that, but there are plenty who use it as a crutch, just like all the heavies with RRs out there. Nonetheless, matchmaking is a bigger issue. The "stomps" would not be so bad if teams were not so lopsided all the time. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1325	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:20:00 - [28] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? This is exactly what I ask the "I only run proto" players I squad with. Personally I run advanced even though I have the skills and isk to run full proto from here until the end of time. I play this game to be challenged, and there is nothing challenging about me crushing new-berries beneath the boots of my red-eyed suits. In fact, I would like to promote the idea that we all adjust our suits to match the challenge our opponents present. If we are playing a team of all basic fits, we should run basic fits too. Our higher SP totals will give us an advantage but the matches will be just that much more fun and competitive. None of us really enjoys a redline stomp after all, they are just boring. Fun > Realism
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1332	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. apathy Who wants some?
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1271	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:29:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP. Just seems like a weird way of looking at it to me. It takes a long time to skill up a single role. Why wouldn't you want that grind to pay off? It just seems odd to me that training and practicing for a long time to skill up a role, spending months honing your skills, rewards you with the ability to win despite having been outplayed by your opponent, purely by virtue of your equipment. I play to test my skills- there's no rush like beating someone in prototype gear in a head-on fight while wearing a standard suit. That, to me, is much more exciting than seeing how many militia-geared idiots I can gun down in my suit with twice their EHP and 30% more damage. In my opinion, maxed skills should provide moderately-sized passive bonuses and open up unusual role customizations (like a suit with assault HP and speed, but a heavy weapon slot, or a 2-weapon light suit like the Black Eagle), not unlock increasingly effective crutches.

Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. This invalidates my point, how? Pubstomping, proto or no, IS bad for CCP's business. Because DUST is overflowing with people playing this AWESOME partially complete game where the elite organized bittervets endlessly kick the crap out of the disorganized newbies. Yeah, that's a formula for a successful business model. That's why DUST is averaging under 4000 active players, down from a peak of 8000 last year at this time.
Israckcatarac Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 39	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:11:00 - [32] - Quote Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1590	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:29:00 - [33] - Quote I could wear run proto all the time... but i dont... ... I fly ADS's instead Thats a real rich mans toy lol The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:32:00 - [34] - Quote Satisfaction. You will never feel true satisfaction. Every time you beat someone there will be that voice in the back of your head. ' Did I beat him because I played smarter than he did, or was it just my gear... just my gear.' Greatness. You will never reach true greatness. Setting new challenges everyday, using the most underpowered gear and find a way to achieve greatness even at a huge disadvantage. You will never beat duna2002 in his proto HMG wielding proto heavy suit with nothing but a standard Min Scout and a standard Breach AR and laugh your ass off for ruining his quest for a kdr of 100. @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 194	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:48:00 - [35] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. Dear Cotsy8, Please refrain from calling Cat Lady and idiot or you may earn yourself a special concerted effort from Opus to ensure you are swiftly terminated in battle. As for me, I rarely run proto because i am simply not good enough to make it a financially viable option. As soon as i die consistently less than 3 times per match i will be wearing it with pride.... Kill them all. Are you seriously threatening Cotsy8 for speaking the truth? You're an idiot too then. With an inflated ego. Like ANYONE has to worry about you or your lame little corp. There's a saying, 'Don't hate the player, hate the game' F that. Sucky players flock to this game. It's like a group home for people not good enough to play COD. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 194	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:56:00 - [36] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay. Actually it's the vets ruining the game with their suckiness. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2422	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:03:00 - [37] - Quote Honestly, it's not the suit you wear, it's how many of those suits are on the field. I believe that if you know you are a good player, and you know that you run with other good proto players, then you shouldn't run in squads of 6. Instead, the max should be 3-4. You don't have to fight for your kills as much and you won't redline the enemy as often. The other thing is that not everyone has earned their proto gear with hard work like most of us have. There are a lot of players out there sitting in top tier corps on their however many districts earning billions of isk. These players don't have to work hard to get the isk needed to run proto. Finally, proto weapons are just stupid in general. If you can afford to run proto weapons on a proto suit with proto equipment, and still die 15 times in a match, you are what's wrong with this game. Fitting a prototype suit with complex modules and advanced weapon/equipment is perfectly fine to me though. And you Crazy Cat Lady...you barely have any lifetime kills at all. You are a complete support logi and I respect that. Running proto for survivability is a much better use of fitting space than running proto just to stomp people. And anyone that has a problem with the logi/slayer combo obviously hasn't seen how much teamwork and cooperation it takes to pull it off. Only the best of the best logistics can make it work, proto just lets us carry more equipment and survive longer. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2093	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:04:00 - [38] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay. And telling them theynare rightand saying here, just 3 months and you can have it, is what keeps them here. A small amount of protostomping is good for the business model, but the current saturation level not so much. People need think, damn they got proto again, its so cool, I really want that **** but not think, damn they got proto again, I'm better off just dirt napping from the MCC 30 times. New players need to feel like they actually managed to challenge the vets, like they gave them a run for their money. Firing a Mag at a proto player and seeing a GalLogi hit 40% shields does not give that feeling. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Spaceman-Rob 343	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote For me its about respect, I have zero respect for proto stompers, they are the worse kind of people we have playing this game, if you find me in your squad and i see your doing it, your going to get called out for being a puss*
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 190	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:32:00 - [40] - Quote I'm just tired of all the people who are funded by their respective corps to pubstomp and then think that makes them good. CCP needs a Adv suit and lower game mode or something along those lines. *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4719	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:45:00 - [41] - Quote shrug I run proto when I wish, I don't run proto when I wish. Not going to judge someone for using gear they worked for if they want. It's not me trying to be 'leet' or buff my KDR, if it was I wouldn't be a scout, just playing the game having fun and trying to win. shrug Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Viscen Minora Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 44	Posted - 2014.02.28 11:27:00 - [42] - Quote To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Hey man, nice shot
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 195	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:51:00 - [43] - Quote Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
noob cavman The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 712	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:57:00 - [44] - Quote 4 proto suits. Two dont count as you cant proto stomp in a scout suit XD. Wear what you wish, my remotes, knives and shotgun don't judge I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6983	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:03:00 - [45] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. If only that were true. Maybe you do and other do, but there's a large handful of people who are for all practical purposes "printing" ISK. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 22	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:08:00 - [46] - Quote Cat... proto in pubs is overkill, most of all being a logi but if anyone wants to run proto, by all means you're welcome to die to my 1500 ISK basic combat rifle.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP and Comeback Player of the Year.-
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 34	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:40:00 - [47] - Quote Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:52:00 - [48] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? I agree that you have the right to do it and Opus protostomps in pubs 24 7, that being said I dont agree that its healthy for this games player base and if you or salty, viscen, swenla, and whoever give a f u c k about this game you may consider doing otherwise, but no one can make you, plus I see you guys doing it when its not needed, I mean when you could do just as well in std probably, hell one day I left yalls squad because the redlines were just soooooo boring.... Im getting to where I leave matches on instant redline, because theres just nothing to do. As for all that pushing the boundaries of what you can do bull s h I t thats only because of WHO your playing, your not really doing more, your doing the same against LESS....For me there is just no satisfaction in it.....
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2995	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:54:00 - [49] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. I've been reading this kind of crap for a year and yet the numbers are still holding steady. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:55:00 - [50] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it I got pics theyd be better....

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:56:00 - [51] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. I've been reading this kind of crap for a year and yet the numbers are still holding steady. Thats completely false...
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 822	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:58:00 - [52] - Quote What I can't understand is why they would continue using it after they have seen That there is no tough opposition, just a rag-tag mix of NPC corps with a few experienced players It just gives people a really bad impression of your ability to kill without it Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 403	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:59:00 - [53] - Quote Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. I agree and personally enjoy fighting you in proto, my point is only about the health of the game.
GG Was VeryEZ Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:03:00 - [54] - Quote I have run less than 50 advanced suits since uprising 1.0, and have gained more than 300m isk since then. I have no reason to run anything less than the best. I don't care about competitive pubs, I get my competitive games in PC.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 406	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:11:00 - [55] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 I can do both.....
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 406	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:16:00 - [56] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. Yes very true, makes it hard as hell to kill, Viscen, Swenla, Frost, whoever shes repping.
Onesimus Tarsus 1242	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:21:00 - [57] - Quote Matchmaking by kdr. Fixed. Next. I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 408	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:21:00 - [58] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. True but any skilled player has passive skills in their dropsuit upgrades that give them a huge advantage in basic gear vs a newberry advanced..... Passive skills will give you the edge without proto and proto just makes it ridiculous.
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 321	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:24:00 - [59] - Quote If you can make the same war points with std, then you have skill. If not, then the gear is simply a crutch used to out hp and dps the newbie with no sp. This game needs a fresh challenge, and running proto gear with all core skills to 5 is nothing. I've been running all standard gear to challenge my skills and grow as a player. HTFU and run std gear against std gear. The proto bears are getting soft, and it shows. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 408	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:24:00 - [60] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Matchmaking by kdr. Fixed. Next. No, not kdr, you need two variables in a matchmaking algorithm kills per game, and wp per game, thats it, matchmaking fixed.

Onesimus Tarsus 1242	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:26:00 - [61] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Matchmaking by kdr. Fixed. Next. No, not kdr, you need two variables in a matchmaking algorithm kills per game, and wp per game, thats it, matchmaking fixed. Agreed. I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:32:00 - [62] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it Especially if you are a woman. Because, that's why.
Onesimus Tarsus 1242	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:35:00 - [63] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it Especially if you are a woman. Who comes here to ask this? I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1987	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:50:00 - [64] - Quote Kdr padding is cheaper with bpo tanks. But yeah, it's fun but too expensive. I like seeing my wallet grow more than my kdr. I only run proto when I know I'll win. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2171	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:50:00 - [65] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it Especially if you are a woman. Who comes here to ask this? People who have not, obviously. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 562	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:00:00 - [66] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it The better question is... Has anyone been intimate with a woman WHILE playing this game? Inquiring minds want to know!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1822	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:39:00 - [67] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 Compete and proto should never be implied to be in the same sentence. Twice the EHP, 10% native gun boosts, plus Proficency and Damage mods. Seriously. Stop this crazy line of thinking. Newbs cant fight proto in the gear they have. Not anywhere near effectively. So either A) Hide in the redline until the end of the match (boring, constantly complained about) B) Use OP gear (eventually nerfed, very low-blow. And the protostompers are doing that anyway) C) Be protobear stat padding (between boring and extremely annoying, and is just not fun) D) Uninstall DUST and go back to whatever shooter they came from (Most oft used method of coping with protostomping) Is player skill a factor? Maybe. Depends on the person. Is SP a factor? likely. Is Proto a factor? Definitely. Look at second line of text in my post. Tell me that has NOTHING to do with the massive stomps that the game just is full of. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1822	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:49:00 - [68] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: What I can't understand is why they would continue using it after they have seen That there is no tough opposition, just a rag-tag mix of NPC corps with a few experienced players It just gives people a really bad impression of your ability to kill without it epeen stroking, man. Thats all pubstomping is. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1822	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:56:00 - [69] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Let's just say this :) When you break out your proto, You're letting the other team know that they're allowed to proto stomp you. Because the instant you kill someone with it, they have every right to go full proto and stomp you out. 2 things. 1- The matchmakers ********, and puts people who just made a fresh clone against pubstomping corp squads. 2- Even if the game is evenly matched, the pubstomping corp just quits the match and joins another one which doesn't have another corp squad in it. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 703	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:59:00 - [70] - Quote team work isnt so much as a problem for me. i know how to go up against Superior teams when solo. if they were in mlt. it wouldnt be a contest. especially for the mlt vets who have put their sp not into suits but into core skills. currently proto is a pain in the ass to take down for lower leveled suits. and nearly impossible when its being used in mass numbers thus the proto stomps. i ran my cheap weak mlt and didnt complain about getting ran over by an lav. it rarely happened to me. the guys getting pancaked were proto stompers standing in the middle of the road. im not bitching about a tank killing me while im running around on foot in mlt. i rarely die to them. because i dont stand still and look down the barrels of their turrets while wearing full proto. (except back in 1.6 and before where rail tanks sniping infantry were prevalent. it was kinda difficult to get across open terrain with out getting sniped back then.).

Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 835	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:08:00 - [71] - Quote I run proto on my dropship because it needs it to survive. My windows of engagement are short so I have to spit out all the fire power I can, and when my mods go up I need them back quickly to get back into the fight. A couple days ago I played against your proto squad with my dropship and one of my gunners. We came up against each other 4 times. The first game didn't go very well for you guys, I remember you having a 0/9. The second game you guys remembered me and I think a forge gun shot at me a few times also you stayed clear of where I came down, very wise. The third game there was some heavy forge and I think rail tank fire trying to get me. Then in the fourth game we were against each other on line harvest, a rail tank was moving by the A cru and when we went to engage it we got hit with forges and swarms a lot of av. Not sure if it was your squad but I had the feeling it was a good trap. Its awesome that you guys adapted and actually thought about how to bring me down. Your squad work is awesome and I salute you o7 Next time I'm bringing two gunners
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1044	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:10:00 - [72] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady, saw you guys last night and had a hell of a fight, good times. I have almost 38mil sp and a LOT of proto. It's personal choice of using vs not using proto gear. 95% of the time we don't run it cause we do just fine in basic or adv, plus I enjoy taking out proto suits wearing one of my BPO's, and go positive most of the time. Believe me, I know what I'm capable of with proto in pubs, I get no satisfaction running it unless we meet up with some of the big corps, nor have the need unless we meet up with them. Breaking proto in pubs daily with basic... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~


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