DUST Search - Defending the Proto-Stomp

Crazy Cat Lady wrote:

The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it?

Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff.

I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black!

Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto?

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Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. This invalidates my point, how? Pubstomping, proto or no, IS bad for CCP's business. Because DUST is overflowing with people playing this AWESOME partially complete game where the elite organized bittervets endlessly kick the crap out of the disorganized newbies. Yeah, that's a formula for a successful business model. That's why DUST is averaging under 4000 active players, down from a peak of 8000 last year at this time.
Israckcatarac Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 39	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:11:00 - [32] - Quote Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1590	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:29:00 - [33] - Quote I could wear run proto all the time... but i dont... ... I fly ADS's instead Thats a real rich mans toy lol The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:32:00 - [34] - Quote Satisfaction. You will never feel true satisfaction. Every time you beat someone there will be that voice in the back of your head. ' Did I beat him because I played smarter than he did, or was it just my gear... just my gear.' Greatness. You will never reach true greatness. Setting new challenges everyday, using the most underpowered gear and find a way to achieve greatness even at a huge disadvantage. You will never beat duna2002 in his proto HMG wielding proto heavy suit with nothing but a standard Min Scout and a standard Breach AR and laugh your ass off for ruining his quest for a kdr of 100. @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 194	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:48:00 - [35] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. Dear Cotsy8, Please refrain from calling Cat Lady and idiot or you may earn yourself a special concerted effort from Opus to ensure you are swiftly terminated in battle. As for me, I rarely run proto because i am simply not good enough to make it a financially viable option. As soon as i die consistently less than 3 times per match i will be wearing it with pride.... Kill them all. Are you seriously threatening Cotsy8 for speaking the truth? You're an idiot too then. With an inflated ego. Like ANYONE has to worry about you or your lame little corp. There's a saying, 'Don't hate the player, hate the game' F that. Sucky players flock to this game. It's like a group home for people not good enough to play COD. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 194	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:56:00 - [36] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay. Actually it's the vets ruining the game with their suckiness. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2422	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:03:00 - [37] - Quote Honestly, it's not the suit you wear, it's how many of those suits are on the field. I believe that if you know you are a good player, and you know that you run with other good proto players, then you shouldn't run in squads of 6. Instead, the max should be 3-4. You don't have to fight for your kills as much and you won't redline the enemy as often. The other thing is that not everyone has earned their proto gear with hard work like most of us have. There are a lot of players out there sitting in top tier corps on their however many districts earning billions of isk. These players don't have to work hard to get the isk needed to run proto. Finally, proto weapons are just stupid in general. If you can afford to run proto weapons on a proto suit with proto equipment, and still die 15 times in a match, you are what's wrong with this game. Fitting a prototype suit with complex modules and advanced weapon/equipment is perfectly fine to me though. And you Crazy Cat Lady...you barely have any lifetime kills at all. You are a complete support logi and I respect that. Running proto for survivability is a much better use of fitting space than running proto just to stomp people. And anyone that has a problem with the logi/slayer combo obviously hasn't seen how much teamwork and cooperation it takes to pull it off. Only the best of the best logistics can make it work, proto just lets us carry more equipment and survive longer. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2093	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:04:00 - [38] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: Dust is not a feal good game like COD. By no means is it a fair game. Vets will always stop new players proto or not, and people will always blame it on everything but there bad gameplay. And telling them theynare rightand saying here, just 3 months and you can have it, is what keeps them here. A small amount of protostomping is good for the business model, but the current saturation level not so much. People need think, damn they got proto again, its so cool, I really want that **** but not think, damn they got proto again, I'm better off just dirt napping from the MCC 30 times. New players need to feel like they actually managed to challenge the vets, like they gave them a run for their money. Firing a Mag at a proto player and seeing a GalLogi hit 40% shields does not give that feeling. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Spaceman-Rob 343	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote For me its about respect, I have zero respect for proto stompers, they are the worse kind of people we have playing this game, if you find me in your squad and i see your doing it, your going to get called out for being a puss*
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 190	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:32:00 - [40] - Quote I'm just tired of all the people who are funded by their respective corps to pubstomp and then think that makes them good. CCP needs a Adv suit and lower game mode or something along those lines. *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4719	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:45:00 - [41] - Quote shrug I run proto when I wish, I don't run proto when I wish. Not going to judge someone for using gear they worked for if they want. It's not me trying to be 'leet' or buff my KDR, if it was I wouldn't be a scout, just playing the game having fun and trying to win. shrug Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Viscen Minora Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 44	Posted - 2014.02.28 11:27:00 - [42] - Quote To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Hey man, nice shot
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 195	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:51:00 - [43] - Quote Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
noob cavman The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 712	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:57:00 - [44] - Quote 4 proto suits. Two dont count as you cant proto stomp in a scout suit XD. Wear what you wish, my remotes, knives and shotgun don't judge I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6983	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:03:00 - [45] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. If only that were true. Maybe you do and other do, but there's a large handful of people who are for all practical purposes "printing" ISK. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 22	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:08:00 - [46] - Quote Cat... proto in pubs is overkill, most of all being a logi but if anyone wants to run proto, by all means you're welcome to die to my 1500 ISK basic combat rifle.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP and Comeback Player of the Year.-
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 34	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:40:00 - [47] - Quote Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:52:00 - [48] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? I agree that you have the right to do it and Opus protostomps in pubs 24 7, that being said I dont agree that its healthy for this games player base and if you or salty, viscen, swenla, and whoever give a f u c k about this game you may consider doing otherwise, but no one can make you, plus I see you guys doing it when its not needed, I mean when you could do just as well in std probably, hell one day I left yalls squad because the redlines were just soooooo boring.... Im getting to where I leave matches on instant redline, because theres just nothing to do. As for all that pushing the boundaries of what you can do bull s h I t thats only because of WHO your playing, your not really doing more, your doing the same against LESS....For me there is just no satisfaction in it.....
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2995	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:54:00 - [49] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. I've been reading this kind of crap for a year and yet the numbers are still holding steady. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:55:00 - [50] - Quote Salty Sea Dog wrote: Anyone that plays this game ever been intimate with a woman? I would love to hear about it I got pics theyd be better....

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:56:00 - [51] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. Yeah, say nothing. Good idea. Old players crush new players unil no new players DL the game. Battles suddenly become even. Half of old players dont want fair fights, hence the proto in pubs and the locked districts. They will quit first. Other half of old players quit when there's so few players left battlefinder takes 2 hours to get into a match. Personally, I don't care. I enjoy watching this mess unravel. Some of you should be pissed though that the community for this game is so stupid they can't see what's coming. I've been reading this kind of crap for a year and yet the numbers are still holding steady. Thats completely false...
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 822	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:58:00 - [52] - Quote What I can't understand is why they would continue using it after they have seen That there is no tough opposition, just a rag-tag mix of NPC corps with a few experienced players It just gives people a really bad impression of your ability to kill without it Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 403	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:59:00 - [53] - Quote Viscen Minora wrote: To each their own. I don't see a reason for antagonizing each other about making choices that the game gives us. I agree and personally enjoy fighting you in proto, my point is only about the health of the game.
GG Was VeryEZ Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:03:00 - [54] - Quote I have run less than 50 advanced suits since uprising 1.0, and have gained more than 300m isk since then. I have no reason to run anything less than the best. I don't care about competitive pubs, I get my competitive games in PC.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 406	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:11:00 - [55] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 I can do both.....
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 406	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:16:00 - [56] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. Yes very true, makes it hard as hell to kill, Viscen, Swenla, Frost, whoever shes repping.
Onesimus Tarsus 1242	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:21:00 - [57] - Quote Matchmaking by kdr. Fixed. Next. I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 408	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:21:00 - [58] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. True but any skilled player has passive skills in their dropsuit upgrades that give them a huge advantage in basic gear vs a newberry advanced..... Passive skills will give you the edge without proto and proto just makes it ridiculous.
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 321	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:24:00 - [59] - Quote If you can make the same war points with std, then you have skill. If not, then the gear is simply a crutch used to out hp and dps the newbie with no sp. This game needs a fresh challenge, and running proto gear with all core skills to 5 is nothing. I've been running all standard gear to challenge my skills and grow as a player. HTFU and run std gear against std gear. The proto bears are getting soft, and it shows. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 408	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:24:00 - [60] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Matchmaking by kdr. Fixed. Next. No, not kdr, you need two variables in a matchmaking algorithm kills per game, and wp per game, thats it, matchmaking fixed.



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