DUST Search - Defending the Proto-Stomp

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Jebus McKing wrote:

What do your victories mean? Nothing.

They just make you a shell as empty as your words.

Your skills will wither.

At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before.

There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits.

I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it.

Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code.

For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me.

I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP.

Just seems like a weird way of looking at it to me. It takes a long time to skill up a single role. Why wouldn't you want that grind to pay off?

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Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 61	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto?
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 700	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto?
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:46:00 - [3] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 I go negative in PC, yay
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2092	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote We aren't saying don't ever run it pubs, your quite right you have everyright to flaunt your cool gea. And loose it, feel the loss, like the school bully stole your lolly pop. Then getting revenge on the guy who killed you, like finding that bully is now your housemaid. But 1) Do you have to wear it 24/7 ? 2) Would it not be more skillful to achieve the same thing in mlt? 3) Couldn't you do FW? You know the no holds barred section at the moment. I have proto but it rarely leaves the closet, I can't bear to loose such a plush suit for some KDR padding. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 700	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:51:00 - [5] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? Would you rather QQ about it on the forums or have the balls to compete with it? btw I'll be running Proto in 1.8 when my Caldari Scout comes out <3 Ha it's a legit question. I can beat up a helluva lot of 12 year olds but that doesn't make me a world class boxer. Nor do I get off stroking my epeen.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote i never got annoyed by people protostomping. just one of my ADS' costs slightly over half a mil isk and i call them in almost every game, but if i am on the ground and the bad guys are protostomping i just avoid them or stick around with the good guys and try to focus fire, taking a proto down with an all BPO suit and huckin' a nade on their body to bleed em out feels good. protostomping never bothered me, its your SP and ISK. its not cheating do what makes you happy with it http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:58:00 - [7] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 309	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:03:00 - [8] - Quote The issue isn't the proto gear or those that use it. They have every right to do so. I've ran my proto 6 times and I felt dirty using it in pubs. The problem is there isn't anywhere eles to use it. Pc is all locked down. Fw lacks rewards that people really want. Combine that with broken PC and the result is the proto stomping. my name is boba and im a hoarder.
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:03:00 - [9] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. I go negative in PC, yay
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1576	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:07:00 - [10] - Quote I run proto only when necessary. I have several proto suits, logi, heavy, assault, but the reward vs. risk is not worth it. If you run proto suits and lose more than 3 you are in the red. So I think I do well enough with my cheap suit or advance suit. I know I have enough ISK but I cannot justify spending millions so a tank or an RE destroys it. No thanks just going to run what I am used to until heavies are true heavies again. That meaning a RR or another light weapon cannot melt my heavy suit in a few hits. A heavy before 1.8

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:09:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. And a damn good one at that!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:11:00 - [12] - Quote Back to the topic at hand, I run proto the vast majority of the time these days (and obviously I have no issue with others that do the same). Don't like it? Kill me enough to change suits. It's not that hard, as I'm not that good.
Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:15:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. Cat Lady is a 100% dedicated Support Logi with a KDR less than 0.50. Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1548	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:19:00 - [14] - Quote i see no problem in running proto, as a matter of fact, i like it when people do, and i run proto as well. it gives me a challenge, which is very hard to find these days. while i hate being killed by proto RRs and CRs in under a second, that's pretty much the only way for me to be challenged, and even then, i rarely see a proto who actually challenges me. that's why i respect you and Minora so much. you guys are some of the only people who actually gets my adrenaline pumping again, knowing it's sure to be a great fight against you. on a side note, does it count as protostomping if i'm doing it in a scout suit? Anime > EVERYTHING
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:25:00 - [15] - Quote What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:25:00 - [16] - Quote You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. It's just you using the gear you've earned to outmatch your opponents to increase your chance for a better score, increasingly your seemingly low confidence. This isn't frowned upon, even in pub matches. It can be argued, less skilled players should use Proto gear to help them compete. So you are only trying to do your best to keep up with the rest, this shouldn't be perceived as a negative. You've earned the right to use whatever gear you want, when you want, and play how you want. If you need a boost to compete, then you need a boost. FYI - You'll know when you get Proto stomped, if you need to see a video you can check out Moody's 'I reported you' video on YouTube. If you think spawning and dying before you can fire a shot the entire match is perfectly acceptable, then find a group of elite players and join a pub match. Oh, and please remember before the match starts check out the player lists, and if you see elite players on the opposite team quickly leave the lobby. This way you avoid and sort of misunderstanding or a competing match. - Cots
Patrick57 5567	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:39:00 - [17] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Your point? It doesn't really matter if you're running proto in pubs to murder newbies or rep the guys in proto... murdering the newbies. WoT put a swift end to farming newbies. Why? It was bad for business. Any skilled player could murder noobies just as easily without the Proto. Teamwork is the problem, not the Proto. I go negative in PC, yay
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11746	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:40:00 - [18] - Quote I've had full proto fits unlocked since a bit before Uprising. I still have yet to use them more than a handful of times for giggles Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 176	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:51:00 - [19] - Quote The main problem with proto is the try hard district holding corps that lock their districts and make buckets and budgets of isk. They can then run proto endlessly in pub matches without having to worry about staying isk positive. They are causing a huge imbalance in the game as district locking removes the risk/reward of using proto gear since they can use proto all day everyday and still make isk. Nothing even remotely close to district locking exists in EVE. Your SOV can be attacked at any time and you MUST be willing to defend it 24/7. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 30	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:59:00 - [20] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: You're an idiot Cat, what you're describing isn't exactly Proto stomping. You're lending support to a cause you seem not to be able to describe or have experienced before. Dear Cotsy8, Please refrain from calling Cat Lady and idiot or you may earn yourself a special concerted effort from Opus to ensure you are swiftly terminated in battle. As for me, I rarely run proto because i am simply not good enough to make it a financially viable option. As soon as i die consistently less than 3 times per match i will be wearing it with pride.... Kill them all.

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 177	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:02:00 - [21] - Quote i mainly run my proto gear as its the best/most effecient/effecitve gear i have.. sometimes i like running my bpo suits to grind the cash to keep them stocked. but when i want to win........or have fun.
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 96	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:03:00 - [22] - Quote Let's just say this :) When you break out your proto, You're letting the other team know that they're allowed to proto stomp you. Because the instant you kill someone with it, they have every right to go full proto and stomp you out. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2988	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:05:00 - [23] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1263	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:15:00 - [24] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 198	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:56:00 - [25] - Quote I only wear it when I think I can carry my whole team to victory in my absurdly large backpack =) What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2989	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:59:00 - [26] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP. Just seems like a weird way of looking at it to me. It takes a long time to skill up a single role. Why wouldn't you want that grind to pay off? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2150	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:03:00 - [27] - Quote Personally, I think proto should stay out of pubs. As such, I never run it there (actually I never really run it as I am not among the dust 1% who can afford to do so regularly). Skilled players can dominate without it, no doubt about that, but there are plenty who use it as a crutch, just like all the heavies with RRs out there. Nonetheless, matchmaking is a bigger issue. The "stomps" would not be so bad if teams were not so lopsided all the time. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1325	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:20:00 - [28] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: My question to you is this: what's more important to you, maxing your SP use or competitive gameplay? Would you rather stomp noobs with proto gear or fight competitive matches in non-proto? This is exactly what I ask the "I only run proto" players I squad with. Personally I run advanced even though I have the skills and isk to run full proto from here until the end of time. I play this game to be challenged, and there is nothing challenging about me crushing new-berries beneath the boots of my red-eyed suits. In fact, I would like to promote the idea that we all adjust our suits to match the challenge our opponents present. If we are playing a team of all basic fits, we should run basic fits too. Our higher SP totals will give us an advantage but the matches will be just that much more fun and competitive. None of us really enjoys a redline stomp after all, they are just boring. Fun > Realism
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1332	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: Crazy Cat Lady wrote: The amazing thing about wearing your proto suit is that it lets you explore the boundaries of this gameGÇª. What is actually possible when you have tens of million lifetime SP invested into skills and are running the strongest most efficient gear- how many people can you kill? How many war points can you get? And how much further can you push it? Running proto is a privilege which has been earned through dedication to this game. We work hard over a long time to gather SP to be able to upgrade our equipment and get stronger and more efficient tools. We carefully balance our ISK (and grind hard) so that we can afford to use this stuff. I confess- I run proto in public matches and love doing it. But we have earned our proto suits and should be allowed to enjoy what we can become when wearing black! Do you agree with people who whine when people are running proto suits.. Or should we give everyone a break and let them enjoy their hard earned isk? Why do you run proto? So. Newbies deserve to die all the time to validate your "right" to pubstomp? DUST 514 is the only free-to-play game where institutionalized griefing has been allowed to exist as long as it has. apathy Who wants some?
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1271	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:29:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: What do your victories mean? Nothing. They just make you a shell as empty as your words. Your skills will wither. At the end, after so much time and effort invested, you will stand there, alone, and be worse than you were before. There is something to this. I took a long break from PC and spent a while running proto quite a bit. Pub stomping is really bad for you because it's so much different than PC. If you are running around in proto, pushing the limits of your suit you can develop really poor habits. I do think it's good for newer players to break it out everyone and then to get your fitting to your liking and to understand what you can get away with. But I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it. Like others have said, it never bothers me, it never has. The words, "those dudes are running proto" have never come out of my mouth. It's weird how this idea has become ingrained in some people that proto is breaking some ethical code. For me, it's not a matter of some ethical code. Good and evil aren't real. It's just a matter of how much I respect the person who just killed me. I run advanced gear pretty much all the time unless I'm heavying or scouting. When I get wasted by someone in standard gear, I tip my metaphorical hat to them and their superior skills. When I get beaten by someone else in advanced gear, I salute their skills and focus up. When I get beaten by someone in proto gear, when they win by a HP margin that's less than the EHP/DPS gap caused by our gear, I shake my head and sigh at my lack of SP. Just seems like a weird way of looking at it to me. It takes a long time to skill up a single role. Why wouldn't you want that grind to pay off? It just seems odd to me that training and practicing for a long time to skill up a role, spending months honing your skills, rewards you with the ability to win despite having been outplayed by your opponent, purely by virtue of your equipment. I play to test my skills- there's no rush like beating someone in prototype gear in a head-on fight while wearing a standard suit. That, to me, is much more exciting than seeing how many militia-geared idiots I can gun down in my suit with twice their EHP and 30% more damage. In my opinion, maxed skills should provide moderately-sized passive bonuses and open up unusual role customizations (like a suit with assault HP and speed, but a heavy weapon slot, or a 2-weapon light suit like the Black Eagle), not unlock increasingly effective crutches.



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