I think it should be 5/5/5.

Complex plates are never used lawl

You are saying increase the speed penalty to all of them so that it incentivizes using the heavier plates? Would you then make the case that all shields need the same penalty then too?

You are saying increase the speed penalty to all of them so that it incentivizes using the heavier plates? Would you then make the case that all shields need the same penalty then too?

I don't see why shields should affect speed, but have always found it weird that shield extenders didn't increase your sig radius (they do in eve)... however, since I plan on getting a cal scout I wouldn't want that either ;).

Maybe they should just remove the penalties on both shield and armor, might make it easier to keep the two balanced.

You are saying increase the speed penalty to all of them so that it incentivizes using the heavier plates? Would you then make the case that all shields need the same penalty then too?

I think...also...

There are a few things in combing through the SDE that are a little interesting...

1) Not all speed penalties are created equal. The regular armor plates get movement speed penalty, but also 'speed scale' penalties to jump, turning, and strafing. However reactive plates only have the base movement speed penalty. Is this intented?

2) My concern with regular plates also is that, depending on how the 'movement speed scale' is applied, it could be doubly affecting movementTun.strafespeed. My assumption is that your running strafe speed is a function (90%) of your movement speed, if you get a 5% penalty to movement speed and 5% penalty to your running strafe speed scale, that actually means that your strafe speed will end up being closer to 80% of your initial default suit base speed. So that would mean that if you are stacking 3 complex plates, you'd actually get around a 33% difference between initial ground speed and modified strafe speed. IOW strafe speed has a double penalty. The same could apply to jumping/sprint jumping if it is also a function of movement speed.

Tl;Dr - If this is the case, I don't think people who complain about armor being so strong understand how much better shield users are in strafing fights.

As an amarr armor tanker I'm always surprised at how fast some strafers I come upon are (KBM crutch users aside).

Really?
That's very interesting. Are you sure?

This warrants further investigation and testing.

You'll have to dig really, really deep to find the last time Beren was wrong. Mostly because his thing is data digging.

But testing is always a good thing.

MOAR SCIENCE

Meh, removing the penalty for extenders would be nothing compared to removing the penalty for plates. Extenders didn't even have a drawback pre 1.7

Plates need a slightly higher speed penalty so they don't become the dmg mods of the low slot.

GTFO with this whole "KB/M crutch" s**t. KB/M is in a horrible state right now. There is 0 benefit over DS3 other than turning speed. Its obvious you guys have never used a KB/M in this game because it is terrible in many many ways.

Sluggish aiming, Framerate directly affects how well you can aim, module wheel is difficult to use, selecting spawn location is sometimes 100% impossible etc...

Didn't mean they should remove the penalties without adjusting the HP values, but with the penalties gone there's less variables when balancing.

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Complex plates are never used lawl

Anyone running a heavy and not using a complex plate (when fittings permits) is doing it wrong. My standard sentinel HMG fit uses one and the bricked HMG with Logi piggy-back has two. I use an enhanced on the FG fit but that is because of the complex armor repair mod.

The only excuse are the fast Heavies with their kin-cats. Weirdos one and all.

With regards to the main topic. If data helps my single complex plate can jump up some curbs and not on others (generally in Line Harvest). My double complex plate can't jump any curbs.

Anyone running a heavy and not using a complex plate (when fittings permits) is doing it wrong. My standard sentinel HMG fit uses one and the bricked HMG with Logi piggy-back has two. I use an enhanced on the FG fit but that is because of the complex armor repair mod.

The only excuse are the fast Heavies with their kin-cats. Weirdos one and all.

With regards to the main topic. If data helps my single complex plate can jump up some curbs and not on others (generally in Line Harvest). My double complex plate can't jump any curbs.

Whelp, shield tankers can now STFU

I know, right? If people don't even use anything beyond ADV plates that isn't really all that much more HP especially when it regens crap slow compared to shield.

I really have to do an infographic showing how absurdly efficient basic plates are, and why they're a no-brainer for shield tankers to fit.