DUST Search - I know how to make Scrambler Rifles not OP.

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it.

Actually I OHKO lots of people with my LOLviziam. But this is so people don't QQ anymore. ALso the combat rifle needs a 50% clip reduction, the AR needs an overheat mechanic, the Rail RIfle needs a 50% damage reduction, and the laser rifle needs to overheat faster. The shotgun is pretty OP also. I gt like 2-4 hit KOed yesterday. I'd recommend a 30% damage nerf. The flaylock pistol needs a buff.

I don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot, but if it is the latter, I no longer take ANYTHING you say seriously.

Let us begin.

Combat Rifle) Already blows through ammo quickly due to the high ROF, the clip size is fine as is.

Plasma Rifle) Was tweaked to be more of a CQC weapon; if you're using it at long range - you're doing it wrong, it does not need an overheat.

Rail Rifle) Simply needs a longer spool up time, it is simply too short currently.

Laser Rifle) If you feel this needs to overheat faster, you're just mind numbingly stupid - it is the most situational of all weapons, if anything it needs a few buffing tweaks.

Shotgun) Is fine as is, it simply suffers from hit detection issues.

Flaylock Pistol) Could use a bit of a splash buff.

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Tectonic Fusion 1118	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:49:00 - [1] - Quote Change their bonus back to what they use to be. Discuss. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5407	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:50:00 - [2] - Quote They'll still have high alpha damage and take skill to use. Fatal Absolution's official bench warmer (scoot over Faquira) and mascot I go negative in PC, yay
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 515	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:51:00 - [3] - Quote The bonus was? 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2028	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:54:00 - [4] - Quote -5% to charge up time "But we have been blessed"
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1792	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:56:00 - [5] - Quote The ScR is OP? Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5055	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:58:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: They'll still have high alpha damage and take skill to use. Compared to what? lolSCRs, lolRRs, lolCRs, and lolARs require about as much skill as a 3x3 puzzle board. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU... ...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5058	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:59:00 - [7] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: The ScR is OP? All the rifles are OP. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU... ...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 880	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:03:00 - [8] - Quote how to make the ScR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the CR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the AR not OP-remove aim assist how to make the RR not OP-remove aim assist Im starting to see a general trend with weapons with aim assist. just for reference: weapons without aim assist include-flaylock, mass driver, laser rifle (to a degree), sniper rifle, plasma cannon, nova knives, and shotgun Weapons with aim assist include- AR, CR, ScR, RR, SMG, scram pistol, HMG, etc. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 107	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:03:00 - [9] - Quote Change the over heat mechanic from time based to number of shots based. Currently (from my limited testing) the scrambler will over heat over a set amount of time of continous firing, no matter how many shots are made during that period. I propose changing it so with continus firing it will over heat after X amount of shots, not after X secs have elapsed.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2819	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:04:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: how to make the ScR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the CR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the AR not OP-remove aim assist how to make the RR not OP-remove aim assist Im starting to see a general trend with weapons with aim assist. just for reference: weapons without aim assist include-flaylock, mass driver, laser rifle (to a degree), sniper rifle, plasma cannon, nova knives, and shotgun Weapons with aim assist include- AR, CR, ScR, RR, SMG, scram pistol, HMG, etc. Just furthering the gap between vets and noobs. The vets will learn to deal with it the noobs will say **** it i can't kill anyone and leave. Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 299	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:08:00 - [11] - Quote Then only the vanilla variant gets a bonus, screwing over the Assault variants. All other weapon bonuses effect all variants, so, no. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
echo47 Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:08:00 - [12] - Quote So now scrambler rifles are OP and need a change. I guess we should just remove all weapons and melee each other the entire match. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 759	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:10:00 - [13] - Quote echo47 wrote: So now scrambler rifles are OP and need a change. I guess we should just remove all weapons and melee each other the entire match. Fists are OP. Buff legs, nerf arms. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution 3508	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:10:00 - [14] - Quote I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 515	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:18:00 - [15] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it. Its rof does need a tweqk and it damage profile changed to Shields 115% damage Armor 85% damage Just a slight rof tweak 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Tectonic Fusion 1119	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:22:00 - [16] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it. Actually I OHKO lots of people with my LOLviziam. But this is so people don't QQ anymore. ALso the combat rifle needs a 50% clip reduction, the AR needs an overheat mechanic, the Rail RIfle needs a 50% damage reduction, and the laser rifle needs to overheat faster. The shotgun is pretty OP also. I gt like 2-4 hit KOed yesterday. I'd recommend a 30% damage nerf. The flaylock pistol needs a buff. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 131	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:24:00 - [17] - Quote I dont think the are OP. They require skill to use and overheat
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1709	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:30:00 - [18] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Fists are OP. Buff legs, nerf arms. How can you talk about buffing legs and nerfing arms without addressing torso? It's at the center of all the issues. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution 3510	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:37:00 - [19] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it. Actually I OHKO lots of people with my LOLviziam. But this is so people don't QQ anymore. ALso the combat rifle needs a 50% clip reduction, the AR needs an overheat mechanic, the Rail RIfle needs a 50% damage reduction, and the laser rifle needs to overheat faster. The shotgun is pretty OP also. I gt like 2-4 hit KOed yesterday. I'd recommend a 30% damage nerf. The flaylock pistol needs a buff. I don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot, but if it is the latter, I no longer take ANYTHING you say seriously. Let us begin. Combat Rifle) Already blows through ammo quickly due to the high ROF, the clip size is fine as is. Plasma Rifle) Was tweaked to be more of a CQC weapon; if you're using it at long range - you're doing it wrong, it does not need an overheat. Rail Rifle) Simply needs a longer spool up time, it is simply too short currently. Laser Rifle) If you feel this needs to overheat faster, you're just mind numbingly stupid - it is the most situational of all weapons, if anything it needs a few buffing tweaks. Shotgun) Is fine as is, it simply suffers from hit detection issues. Flaylock Pistol) Could use a bit of a splash buff. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1711	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:41:00 - [20] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm not even arguing anymore with you "nerf the SCR" people, I simply assume you got OHK'ed by a Viziam and are T_T on the forum about it. Actually I OHKO lots of people with my LOLviziam. But this is so people don't QQ anymore. ALso the combat rifle needs a 50% clip reduction, the AR needs an overheat mechanic, the Rail RIfle needs a 50% damage reduction, and the laser rifle needs to overheat faster. The shotgun is pretty OP also. I gt like 2-4 hit KOed yesterday. I'd recommend a 30% damage nerf. The flaylock pistol needs a buff. I don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot, but if it is the latter, I no longer take ANYTHING you say seriously. Let us begin. Combat Rifle) Already blows through ammo quickly due to the high ROF, the clip size is fine as is. Plasma Rifle) Was tweaked to be more of a CQC weapon; if you're using it at long range - you're doing it wrong, it does not need an overheat. Rail Rifle) Simply needs a longer spool up time, it is simply too short currently. Laser Rifle) If you feel this needs to overheat faster, you're just mind numbingly stupid - it is the most situational of all weapons, if anything it needs a few buffing tweaks. Shotgun) Is fine as is, it simply suffers from hit detection issues. Flaylock Pistol) Could use a bit of a splash buff. Almost agreed on anything. "Almost" because the Laser rifle needs a severe buff, not just some tweaks. I'm not talking about damage buff, anyway, but a range buff of 25 mt would be great! >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1712	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:47:00 - [21] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot, but if it is the latter, I no longer take ANYTHING you say seriously. Let us begin. Okay... Some of what Fusion said was stupid, but are you trolling? Combat Rifle) I may agree about the ammo, but the high ROF is the problem. Plasma Rifle) Was given a range buff for 1.7. How is that tweaking to be more of a CQC weapon? And it's the weakest AR right now. Rail Rifle) Any amount of spool up time under a second will be worked around with few issues by competent players. Any Forge Gunner can tell you that. The Rail Rifle needs a straight DPS nerf, to a similar value as the SMG (383 base level), to be balanced. We agree on the rest... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1712	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:51:00 - [22] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Plasma Rifle) (..) And it's the weakest AR right now. Simply it's not. I still use my Gek in Urban areas because I seriously suck with shotguns and before you ask, yes, I do melt rail rifles. The high rof and the high dps with no recoil makes it the perfect close to medium range rifle. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1712	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:58:00 - [23] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: yes, I do melt rail rifles. I'm sure you do. The Assault Rifle has higher DPS inside 40m... by 1%. However the rail rifle has 70% longer optimal than you do in exchange for that. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 230	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:12:00 - [24] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Then only the vanilla variant gets a bonus, screwing over the Assault variants. All other weapon bonuses effect all variants, so, no. it already doesn't effect the assault scrambler no matter what suit you use you can fire a clip and a half without overheating about a clip and 3/4 with the bonus
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1713	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:15:00 - [25] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: yes, I do melt rail rifles. I'm sure you do. The Assault Rifle has higher DPS inside 40m... by 1%. However the rail rifle has 70% longer optimal than you do in exchange for that. I'll venture a guess that most of the engagements you win, you get the drop on the RR user. The problem is that RR users with high situational awareness (most "pros") don't suffer that problem. Well, then you should complain about people with "high situational awerness" also known as campers (in this case)! Sometimes I do get the drop on RR, sometimes I don't. It's not just a matter of numbers: in urban areas I use a shield-tanked Cal suit and a Gek with one damage mod. Why? Rail rifles (I'm sure you already know it) deals 80% damage on shields. Moreover if you strafe a little in close combats the RR is over: the spool up time should also be included in dps calculations don't forget it, and the low rof gives you some more chances to win! I'm not saying it's ok as it is, but a longer spool up time should be enough. I just don't want it to be hit hard by the nerf hammer like the laser rifle or the flylock pistol. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1795	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:17:00 - [26] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: how to make the ScR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the CR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the AR not OP-remove aim assist how to make the RR not OP-remove aim assist Im starting to see a general trend with weapons with aim assist. just for reference: weapons without aim assist include-flaylock, mass driver, laser rifle (to a degree), sniper rifle, plasma cannon, nova knives, and shotgun Weapons with aim assist include- AR, CR, ScR, RR, SMG, scram pistol, HMG, etc. Just furthering the gap between vets and noobs. The vets will learn to deal with it the noobs will say **** it i can't kill anyone and leave. Exactly. Because the ARs are OP, here's my ideas on how to fix it. RR- Reduce ROF to 450 CR- Either reduce damage or add a .1 second break between bursts. AR- Leave alone. The 1.7 nerf was enough to reign it in to where it should be. ScR- reduce quick fire damage slightly leaving charge damage unaffected. Those are my recommendations on the AR Issue. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 160	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:24:00 - [27] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: how to make the ScR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the CR not OP- remove aim assist how to make the AR not OP-remove aim assist how to make the RR not OP-remove aim assist Im starting to see a general trend with weapons with aim assist. just for reference: weapons without aim assist include-flaylock, mass driver, laser rifle (to a degree), sniper rifle, plasma cannon, nova knives, and shotgun Weapons with aim assist include- AR, CR, ScR, RR, SMG, scram pistol, HMG, etc. Just furthering the gap between vets and noobs. The vets will learn to deal with it the noobs will say **** it i can't kill anyone and leave. Exactly. Because the ARs are OP, here's my ideas on how to fix it. RR- Reduce ROF to 450 CR- Either reduce damage or add a .1 second break between bursts. AR- Leave alone. The 1.7 nerf was enough to reign it in to where it should be. ScR- reduce quick fire damage slightly leaving charge damage unaffected. Those are my recommendations on the AR Issue. Only 1 problem. The AR was buffed in 1.7, not nerfed... It too needs a nerf. Also, ScR needs its RoF nerfed, not its damage. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1712	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:25:00 - [28] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Sometimes I do get the drop on RR, sometimes I don't. It's not just a matter of numbers: I was going to type up this big response, but then I realized that I'm arguing to nerf something when the person affected most is saying it isn't that bad. To keep it short, though, it is most definitely a matter of numbers, because that's the entirety of the game whether you realize it or not. You can't account for personal skill in balancing, because it's human and completely unpredictable. There are players with the skill to completely circumvent an artificial handicap like spool-up time. The actual balance is in the numbers. Quote: I just don't want it to be hit hard by the nerf hammer like the laser rifle or the flylock pistol. Believe it or not, I agree with you. And +1 for that. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 162	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:31:00 - [29] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Sometimes I do get the drop on RR, sometimes I don't. It's not just a matter of numbers: I was going to type up this big response, but then I realized that I'm arguing to nerf something when the person affected most is saying it isn't that bad. To keep it short, though, it is most definitely a matter of numbers, because that's the entirety of the game whether you realize it or not. You can't account for personal skill in balancing, because it's human and completely unpredictable. There are players with the skill to completely circumvent an artificial handicap like spool-up time. The actual balance is in the numbers. Quote: I just don't want it to be hit hard by the nerf hammer like the laser rifle or the flylock pistol. Believe it or not, I agree with you. And +1 for that. You should always balance for skill. 100% of the time. Always. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Rusty Shallows 1019	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:32:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: The ScR is OP? All the rifles are OP. Negative good Sir. Everything else is under-powered. CCP just prefers Nerfing over any sort of balancing. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game



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