DUST Search - Buying a victory?

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Chuckles Brown wrote:

The old argument of protogear:

You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP.

The old response of the proto stomper

Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics

This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent.
If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it?

On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is?

And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills?

Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed.

Untrue.

A large percentage of the games population only continue to log in due to that power fantasy. Even if they haven't attained it yet. You call it a problem? I call it life support.

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T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 163	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:09:00 - [31] - Quote GTA is awesome, it has Vehicle locks, and YOU CAN SIT ON YOUR F*CKING COUCH! Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:10:00 - [32] - Quote Zahle Undt i am pretty much sure that high skilled Eve pilots can use their weapons against you in every sec.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 201	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:16:00 - [33] - Quote ???? why are you playing dust and not GTA then ???? And GTA is not a sandbox its a lvl Based(not skill tree based like sandbox games) open map online game. where you get with your friends on a personal server or if you don't have friends some strangers. Not all players run on the same los santos.[/quote] XD Oki and now we are on what is skill three based and level based, boyo you lose. GTA is sandbox, this is just arena fighting. Just go back count to ten and play CCPs awesome "sandbox" game. XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1780	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:34:00 - [34] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. Indeed. Though, I've never seen a post on the forums complaining about "A squad of Militia Just Dominated the match, we were redlined in a minute." Its something that just doesn't happen, because it doesn't happen. A bunch of guys sitting on a redline with militia/standard gear will be beaten back by the guys in the redline, and the people will at least be able to attack an obby Now, on the other hand, A bunch of guys in proto will dominate the redline, as shown many, many, many times, leaving the guys bottled up, unable to do anything besides die in their own redline. Thats where most of the issue comes from. Being unable to even get out of the safe zone, or get past the outpost gates to attack the obbys. Games where the fighting was hard around the objective are often the games where DUST shines, where you feel fitted your guy better, you skilled better, that your a good player, and you managed to win because of that. Whereas we all know the posts about the games where its an absolute redline, with nothing but running at your doom occurs. This can be attributed to simply not having anywhere to go to stock up on supplies for FW and PC. Which is true. FW stopped giving out ISK for battles a while ago, and PC is open only to the select few with The SP, the ISK, and the sign with a major PC corp. But then, why are you using all you Proto here? It could also be contributed to the lack of other things for Newbies to do to get out of the line of fire. Which is true. With no PVE, they are forced into these meat grinders, with no other option then to not play it. Again, it could also be linked back into the issue with proto being so much better then anything a militia or standard suit can pull. Which is very true. 800-900 HP With Proto Guns IS going to smelt any piece of Militia gear in half a second. I feel that to fix Pubstomping, we need a complicated answer. One just as complicated as the issue itself. We need people being able to be hired to fight a PC match for the corp. We need Tiericide. We need Industry, and trading. We need PVE, and improved Matchmaking. We need all of those things. Now, we won't get them all in one patch, but we need to be asking for these. For DUST to ever increase its current player count, it needs solid NPE, and solid end game. Which I hope one day it does have that. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 776	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:46:00 - [35] - Quote Explosions solve everything. Psycho Scout The more I see the less I like, is it over yet? DONT. TOUCH. ME.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2329	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:59:00 - [36] - Quote get gud scrubz "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 121	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:44:00 - [37] - Quote There is an easier way to "buy a win" but I'm not telling, otherwise it'll get used in pubs, and it's kind of boring.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3026	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:15:00 - [38] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. Untrue. A large percentage of the games population only continue to log in due to that power fantasy. Even if they haven't attained it yet. You call it a problem? I call it life support.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6747	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:31:00 - [39] - Quote In New Eden, you can buy your way to victory. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1784	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:33:00 - [40] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. Untrue. A large percentage of the games population only continue to log in due to that power fantasy. Even if they haven't attained it yet. You call it a problem? I call it life support. It's only life support because of itself. It's a power fantasy that hurts the rest of the game. Don't you think that getting torn to pieces every match has scared off more then a few people who may have liked DUAT otherwise? Once the skill tree was redone, skilling things isn't all that complicated. Really. Fitting is actually somewhat well explained too, making that less of a turn off then before. And the game itself is really quick and fun when fighting isn't so damn lopsided. Other then inevitable FOTM switches that many games that update themselves go through, DUST is ok. But NOBODY wants to play a game which just throws them to the hounds. This is no Dark Souls. Everybody needs to be competitive with everybody else, other wise, the game becomes deserted, much like DUST now, being supported by a few hardcore fans that can't let go of a game that nobody new wants to play because of a ton of epeen stroking Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11423	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:33:00 - [41] - Quote Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 495	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:34:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11423	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:36:00 - [43] - Quote NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff Honestly it shouldn't even be tied to ISK. If it's for E Sports, everything has to be even, so removing SP and ISK from the equation is essential. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 495	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:37:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff Honestly it shouldn't even be tied to ISK. If it's for E Sports, everything has to be even, so removing SP and ISK from the equation is essential. Oh, well exept me to play that 24/7 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Chuckles Brown 129	Posted - 2014.02.23 09:55:00 - [45] - Quote NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff Honestly it shouldn't even be tied to ISK. If it's for E Sports, everything has to be even, so removing SP and ISK from the equation is essential. Oh, well exept me to play that 24/7 Playing professionally bought me a car The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 09:58:00 - [46] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff Honestly it shouldn't even be tied to ISK. If it's for E Sports, everything has to be even, so removing SP and ISK from the equation is essential. Oh, well exept me to play that 24/7 Playing professionally bought me a car What do you mean? I can get like infinite cars though.... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Chuckles Brown 129	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:05:00 - [47] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: NK Scout wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a competitive arena that simply has all skills maxed, that way we can potentially see DUST rise as an E Sport in the distant future. And greatly increased isk payout too to support the proto stuff Honestly it shouldn't even be tied to ISK. If it's for E Sports, everything has to be even, so removing SP and ISK from the equation is essential. Don't say E-Sports, man. Its called competitive gaming. Only MLG's marketing push made up the term "e-sport". There is no such thing as an "e-sport'. DUST will never be a competitive shooter for the obvious reasons, but CCP's surety for failure aside; this game isn't built to be equally competitive... and quite frankly, its to depth filled for people to sit and watch it. Short match chaos simplicity is what competitive craves. The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?


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