DUST Search - Buying a victory?

Paul Ellinas wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Martyr Saboteur wrote:

Teiricide. That is all.

Solves very little IMO

You know of any examples of tiercide? I do (several in fact), and tiercide helped those game out a lot.

Every example of tiericide I've read about on these forums or bantered about with friends still had some sort of difference with more sp, maybe less difference but still there. now if you have no difference with sp how is this game different than any other shooter? All MMOs have advantages given due to experience. Most solve this discrepancy by having different levels of activities to coincide with level of a character. I understand EVE does this with high sec, null sec, etc... Thus I think completely flattening things makes Dust less unique and the solution is to give "high level players" more to do than pub stomp and give new players away to catch up to vets (PvE and roll over SP caps are examples of ways to do this). End game activities that aren't stupid and broken for vets

(typed on phone so please forgive any mistakes/horrid grammar)

I think nowGÇª
3 different pub contracts for low-,high- and null sec with different ISK payout. This way good players will run null sec pubs with the biggest ISK payout, low sec for the etcGÇª. Sure protos can still run high sec but thats the MMORPG side of the game.

I believe CCP thought they did that with pubs, FW, and PC. But PC is broken (district lockdown must be removed,timer 0.5-1 hour before battle) in FW no one notice the ISK-LP balance and that it was meant for Qsync ( something like corp battles but inside the eve story).

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

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Chuckles Brown 118	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:22:00 - [1] - Quote The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5026	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:31:00 - [2] - Quote inb4 KingBabar and the ~~Proto~~ Rainbow Effecf inb4 30mil SP vets saying "leul" "git gud" "HTFU" "Welcome To New Eden" etc. inb4 lock Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU... ...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 141	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:31:00 - [3] - Quote Teiricide. That is all. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 743	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:31:00 - [4] - Quote It only matters as long as pub matches and FW are all most of the player base has to do in this lobby shooter and as long as certain players have an unlimited source of ISK compared to all others. When the few can withstand the ire of the entirety of the rest of the player base than the EVE like emergent gameplay will never exist in Dust Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 743	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:33:00 - [5] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Tectonic Fusion 1098	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:33:00 - [6] - Quote All I know if my 9k isk combat rifle mlt minja owned like 3 protobears in a row, so it's not just the gear... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1101	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:35:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: inb4 KingBabar and the ~~Proto~~ Rainbow Effecf inb4 30mil SP vets saying "leul" "git gud" "HTFU" "Welcome To New Eden" etc. inb4 lock As an avid ADV stomper, I'm honestly insulted you all don't notice us ADV stompers as douches and punks. And as a guy with almost 30 mil sp, I'm also insulted that you don't have any panty dropper beats on you thread chuckles. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5026	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:39:00 - [8] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: inb4 KingBabar and the ~~Proto~~ Rainbow Effecf inb4 30mil SP vets saying "leul" "git gud" "HTFU" "Welcome To New Eden" etc. inb4 lock As an avid ADV stomper, I'm honestly insulted you all don't notice us ADV stompers as douches and punks. And as a guy with almost 30 mil sp, I'm also insulted that you don't have any panty dropper beats on you thread chuckles. I can only stomp in ADV gear because of my Core Skills. When I had ADV without my core skills and Proficiency I got my @$$ handed to me. Maybe I'm just bad ._. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU... ...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1743	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:39:00 - [9] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO You know of any examples of tiercide? I do (several in fact), and tiercide helped those game out a lot. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 142	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:40:00 - [10] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO Explain your opinion, please. It solves or alleviates: NPE (gets rid of the STD-PRO efficacy gap, give NPs a fighting chance) Protostomping (no more PRO things = noi more Protostomping) Balance Issues (less tiers to balance) New Content Production Speed (Each suit type requires less tiers, therefore they can move onto the next thing faster.) Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1710	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:42:00 - [11] - Quote tactics and gear play a role. the problem is the higher or better gear you have the less tactics you need to use versus people with lower gear. so, there is no such thing is "i have better gear I win" or "im just a better player get over it". Both play a critical role. ideally you want the game to be 75%-90% skill and 25%-10% gear. but, now it is more of 40-50% skill and 60%-50% gear. why is this bad? well, if you get wins because you can rely on your gear to carry yoou through (ie charging into a heavy with an AR because you know you can out gun him), then the only people you need to worry about are people with your level gear. gear should make a difference. but it should only enhance your game, not win it for you. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 743	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:59:00 - [12] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO You know of any examples of tiercide? I do (several in fact), and tiercide helped those game out a lot. Every example of tiericide I've read about on these forums or bantered about with friends still had some sort of difference with more sp, maybe less difference but still there. now if you have no difference with sp how is this game different than any other shooter? All MMOs have advantages given due to experience. Most solve this discrepancy by having different levels of activities to coincide with level of a character. I understand EVE does this with high sec, null sec, etc... Thus I think completely flattening things makes Dust less unique and the solution is to give "high level players" more to do than pub stomp and give new players away to catch up to vets (PvE and roll over SP caps are examples of ways to do this). End game activities that aren't stupid and broken for vets (typed on phone so please forgive any mistakes/horrid grammar) Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 160	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:17:00 - [13] - Quote When I see protobears fighting a whole team of newberries, I wonder what if CCP intended it to be that way, or if the protostompers are just afraid. I'm sure they will all say, 'eat it noob' or something generic like that, or even a longwinded arrogant paragraph describing why they use their BEST gear against people who can't differentiate an amarr medium and minmatar scout. Pathetic. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Forever ETC 703rd 21	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:26:00 - [14] - Quote You won't have protostompers if you have good matchmaking. Since you will have Proto vs Proto. I already have an idea to solve matchmaking I'll post tomorrow. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:31:00 - [15] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO You know of any examples of tiercide? I do (several in fact), and tiercide helped those game out a lot. Every example of tiericide I've read about on these forums or bantered about with friends still had some sort of difference with more sp, maybe less difference but still there. now if you have no difference with sp how is this game different than any other shooter? All MMOs have advantages given due to experience. Most solve this discrepancy by having different levels of activities to coincide with level of a character. I understand EVE does this with high sec, null sec, etc... Thus I think completely flattening things makes Dust less unique and the solution is to give "high level players" more to do than pub stomp and give new players away to catch up to vets (PvE and roll over SP caps are examples of ways to do this). End game activities that aren't stupid and broken for vets (typed on phone so please forgive any mistakes/horrid grammar) I think nowGÇª 3 different pub contracts for low-,high- and null sec with different ISK payout. This way good players will run null sec pubs with the biggest ISK payout, low sec for the etcGÇª. Sure protos can still run high sec but thats the MMORPG side of the game. I believe CCP thought they did that with pubs, FW, and PC. But PC is broken (district lockdown must be removed,timer 0.5-1 hour before battle) in FW no one notice the ISK-LP balance and that it was meant for Qsync ( something like corp battles but inside the eve story).
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 195	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:32:00 - [16] - Quote If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 160	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:33:00 - [17] - Quote OH! I forgot, DEV Sabrewing doesn't like equality, so expect FOTM every update. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 775	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:35:00 - [18] - Quote i like the system currently, and i have under 7 mil SP. I just wish that the NPE included tutorials, a longer and more tiered battle academe, and no more alts in battle academy (i.e. 1 academy goer per IP address). It encourages sandbox gameplay as well as increased player retention. Win-Win Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 195	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:37:00 - [19] - Quote CCP balancing: "Oki we can make this less effective and there we put some more kick and low power..ehhhmmm..wait what weapon i have right now?!" voice from other office "Hey do you finaly fixed that rifle, nooo?! ......Hmmm forget it just nerf it how its possible.." XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:37:00 - [20] - Quote Paul Ellinas wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Teiricide. That is all. Solves very little IMO You know of any examples of tiercide? I do (several in fact), and tiercide helped those game out a lot. Every example of tiericide I've read about on these forums or bantered about with friends still had some sort of difference with more sp, maybe less difference but still there. now if you have no difference with sp how is this game different than any other shooter? All MMOs have advantages given due to experience. Most solve this discrepancy by having different levels of activities to coincide with level of a character. I understand EVE does this with high sec, null sec, etc... Thus I think completely flattening things makes Dust less unique and the solution is to give "high level players" more to do than pub stomp and give new players away to catch up to vets (PvE and roll over SP caps are examples of ways to do this). End game activities that aren't stupid and broken for vets (typed on phone so please forgive any mistakes/horrid grammar) I think nowGÇª 3 different pub contracts for low-,high- and null sec with different ISK payout. This way good players will run null sec pubs with the biggest ISK payout, low sec for the etcGÇª. Sure protos can still run high sec but thats the MMORPG side of the game. I believe CCP thought they did that with pubs, FW, and PC. But PC is broken (district lockdown must be removed,timer 0.5-1 hour before battle) in FW no one notice the ISK-LP balance and that it was meant for Qsync ( something like corp battles but inside the eve story). Yeah Faction can not be "low sec" at the moment because without a player market and no ISK payout most people have to run Pub matches to pay for their FW. PC doesn't work as "null sec" because of the reasons you listed and there is no room there for the independent contractor or 5 guys who are friends in a small corp together but have a ton of SP. I like the lowered timer, we also need some tools like Eve has (I think) where a toon and/or players reputation or something could be tracked. If you have only an hour to scrape together a team but had a place where you can find reliable mercs outside your corp to help you fight....that would be a better "endgame" IMO Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:37:00 - [21] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 198	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:39:00 - [22] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª. XD How long do you playing games boyo, i bet not long or you just join role of devil advocate XD small edit.: BTW sandbox ey, where do you mean that skill tree, Is that that sandbox?! Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:41:00 - [23] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª. Even the most hardcore of MMOs ....EVE online has a safer place for noobs to become less noobish unless I am mistaken Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7402	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:44:00 - [24] - Quote I don't get it. IN New Eden the more ISK, the more pride, the more you put into a fight the more you get out. If people are willing to coming hundreds of thousands of ISK to win a fight, and get kills then they are entitled to it. Walking armour crying because you want to use basic gears as you want is not a good enough reason to tell people they cannot use what they earnt. I flew a Coercer the other day through FW space. I got jumped by a couple of Jaguars. They are to my Coercer what Proto is to Basic. I didn't cry. Because that's just how New Eden is. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:44:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª. Even the most hardcore of MMOs ....EVE online has a safer place for noobs to become less noobish unless I am mistaken Yes but there is NO matchmaking !!!! Sam Tektzby google: most popular sandbox mmo What did you expect from CCP ??? A new version of Halo ???
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 198	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:57:00 - [26] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª. Even the most hardcore of MMOs ....EVE online has a safer place for noobs to become less noobish unless I am mistaken Yes but there is NO matchmaking !!!! Sam Tektzby google: most popular sandbox mmo What did you expect from CCP ??? A new version of Halo ??? Tell me where do you have sandbox in this game, in map what basicaly closed battle arena. Only free thing what do you have here is marketplace and skill, no other aspect of snadbox here boyo. Try GTA for real feel of sandbox. Races, Deathmatches, Sports, Markets, DMs, TDMs, Flying, Parachuting, Survival, Leisure, Hijacking, Hell you can have even jetfighter, GANG wars and many many more with buying propherties, cars custimizations and whole that is actually conected to your clan/corp/crew. And what we have here market with gear, few vehicles and arena maps hmmm i forgot skill tree. XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:59:00 - [27] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Yeah Faction can not be "low sec" at the moment because without a player market and no ISK payout most people have to run Pub matches to pay for their FW. PC doesn't work as "null sec" because of the reasons you listed and there is no room there for the independent contractor or 5 guys who are friends in a small corp together but have a ton of SP. I like the lowered timer, we also need some tools like Eve has (I think) where a toon and/or players reputation or something could be tracked. If you have only an hour to scrape together a team but had a place where you can find reliable mercs outside your corp to help you fight....that would be a better "endgame" IMO A tool like http://dustboard.com/global ??? CCP can make 3 versions of pub contracts with different ISK payouts, FW with more LP and PC with max ISK payout. All in all 5 different contracts.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:04:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't get it. IN New Eden the more ISK, the more pride, the more you put into a fight the more you get out. If people are willing to coming hundreds of thousands of ISK to win a fight, and get kills then they are entitled to it. Walking armour crying because you want to use basic gears as you want is not a good enough reason to tell people they cannot use what they earnt. I flew a Coercer the other day through FW space. I got jumped by a couple of Jaguars. They are to my Coercer what Proto is to Basic. I didn't cry. Because that's just how New Eden is. The difference is you CHOSE to fly through FW space bro, just like in any MMO you can choose to go to the high level dungeon or PvP area if you don't care about dying. Now I don't care about proto users much, if it bothered me I can through proto right back, however, the 20 mil plus player is not my concern when it comes to this debate. Right now the new player doesn't have a choice and not enough rats to slay before he gets thrown in against us vets. To be successful and grow this game needs to embrace some MMO ideas. I think a big part of the solution is PvE, more specialized game modes, player market, vastly improved PC. Matchmaking is basically a band aid while we are still a lobby shooter. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:05:00 - [29] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: If you want good matchmaking dont look for CCP games XP A MMO Game sandbox is NO place for matchmaking !!! Try CoD, BF etcGÇª. Even the most hardcore of MMOs ....EVE online has a safer place for noobs to become less noobish unless I am mistaken Yes but there is NO matchmaking !!!! Sam Tektzby google: most popular sandbox mmo What did you expect from CCP ??? A new version of Halo ??? Tell me where do you have sandbox in this game, in map what basicaly closed battle arena. Only free thing what do you have here is marketplace and skill, no other aspect of snadbox here boyo. Try GTA for real feel of sandbox. Races, Deathmatches, Sports, Markets, DMs, TDMs, Flying, Parachuting, Survival, Leisure, Hijacking, Hell you can have even jetfighter, GANG wars and many many more with buying propherties, cars custimizations and whole that is actually conected to your clan/corp/crew. And what we have here market with gear, few vehicles and arena maps hmmm i forgot skill tree. XD ???? why are you playing dust and not GTA then ???? And GTA is not a sandbox its a lvl Based(not skill tree based like sandbox games) open map online game. where you get with your friends on a personal server or if you don't have friends some strangers. Not all players run on the same los santos.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 473	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:08:00 - [30] - Quote Solo proto suit with current lol TTK is easy to kill with a even a malita AR, Its when you get entire teams of them camping on buildigns with 100m rail rifles and perma scans it gets rediculus.



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