DUST Search - Buying a victory?

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Chuckles Brown wrote:

The old argument of protogear:

You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP.

The old response of the proto stomper

Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics

This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent.
If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it?

On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is?

And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills?

Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed.

Untrue.

A large percentage of the games population only continue to log in due to that power fantasy. Even if they haven't attained it yet. You call it a problem? I call it life support.


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Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1780	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:34:00 - [1] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. Indeed. Though, I've never seen a post on the forums complaining about "A squad of Militia Just Dominated the match, we were redlined in a minute." Its something that just doesn't happen, because it doesn't happen. A bunch of guys sitting on a redline with militia/standard gear will be beaten back by the guys in the redline, and the people will at least be able to attack an obby Now, on the other hand, A bunch of guys in proto will dominate the redline, as shown many, many, many times, leaving the guys bottled up, unable to do anything besides die in their own redline. Thats where most of the issue comes from. Being unable to even get out of the safe zone, or get past the outpost gates to attack the obbys. Games where the fighting was hard around the objective are often the games where DUST shines, where you feel fitted your guy better, you skilled better, that your a good player, and you managed to win because of that. Whereas we all know the posts about the games where its an absolute redline, with nothing but running at your doom occurs. This can be attributed to simply not having anywhere to go to stock up on supplies for FW and PC. Which is true. FW stopped giving out ISK for battles a while ago, and PC is open only to the select few with The SP, the ISK, and the sign with a major PC corp. But then, why are you using all you Proto here? It could also be contributed to the lack of other things for Newbies to do to get out of the line of fire. Which is true. With no PVE, they are forced into these meat grinders, with no other option then to not play it. Again, it could also be linked back into the issue with proto being so much better then anything a militia or standard suit can pull. Which is very true. 800-900 HP With Proto Guns IS going to smelt any piece of Militia gear in half a second. I feel that to fix Pubstomping, we need a complicated answer. One just as complicated as the issue itself. We need people being able to be hired to fight a PC match for the corp. We need Tiericide. We need Industry, and trading. We need PVE, and improved Matchmaking. We need all of those things. Now, we won't get them all in one patch, but we need to be asking for these. For DUST to ever increase its current player count, it needs solid NPE, and solid end game. Which I hope one day it does have that. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1784	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:33:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The old argument of protogear: You're only good because of your gear. You're just a punk with more SP. The old response of the proto stomper Get gud. Its not the gear, its the tactics This is an all out fantasy. The reason we have SP in this game is to gain advantages over players that have it used elsewhere or less of it. SP = better player, because it gives you skill edges over an opponent. If proto gear wasn't better, then why would anyone use it? On the other side of the coin. Tactics and teamwork are the center of this game. If you run with 5 elite players, you can run around in the most worthless fit you can create and probably still do rather decent. Can you really blame the players for playing how the game was intended to be played; no matter how flawed it is? And before you come on here saying "I own protos with militia gear, blah blah, blah..." Ask yourself how much SP you have in weapons and core skills? Protostomping is the biggest problem in this game and eventually will lead to its complete downfall if not addressed. Untrue. A large percentage of the games population only continue to log in due to that power fantasy. Even if they haven't attained it yet. You call it a problem? I call it life support. It's only life support because of itself. It's a power fantasy that hurts the rest of the game. Don't you think that getting torn to pieces every match has scared off more then a few people who may have liked DUAT otherwise? Once the skill tree was redone, skilling things isn't all that complicated. Really. Fitting is actually somewhat well explained too, making that less of a turn off then before. And the game itself is really quick and fun when fighting isn't so damn lopsided. Other then inevitable FOTM switches that many games that update themselves go through, DUST is ok. But NOBODY wants to play a game which just throws them to the hounds. This is no Dark Souls. Everybody needs to be competitive with everybody else, other wise, the game becomes deserted, much like DUST now, being supported by a few hardcore fans that can't let go of a game that nobody new wants to play because of a ton of epeen stroking Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?