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Bormir1r
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:57:00 -
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According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it.
The Calculation:
From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats.
Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s)
((.05*.3215+.3215)*(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:00:00 -
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I keep hearing people talk about a possible 1m/s buff to all suits when I'm in a squad, but I cant find the source anywhere.
Oh, its going to be a pain to manage PG with three Kin Cats.
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Bormir1r
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:05:00 -
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Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
718
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:07:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it.
The Calculation:
From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats.
Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s)
((.05*.3215+.3215)*(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s
i hope people understand that the minmitar scout will not be able to fit kin cats and still have Pg left over for shield extenders and a cloak, much less weapons of any sort
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:08:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff.
were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ.
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:11:00 -
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I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:14:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders.
max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:22:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread
360 Shields? It's only 343 when you Max it out....and fastish is an understatement when it comes to maxing speed, I've seen 11.11 m/s and it's untouchable. And sure I could help support that thread.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2361
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:24:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ.
Because we are very limited on both.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Tectonic Fusion
1086
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:25:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread 360 Shields? It's only 343 when you Max it out....and fastish is an understatement when it comes to maxing speed, I've seen 11.11 m/s and it's untouchable. And sure I could help support that thread.
Not if you/they use a combat rifle with aim assist at 20m.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:25:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread 360 Shields? It's only 343 when you Max it out....and fastish is an understatement when it comes to maxing speed, I've seen 11.11 m/s and it's untouchable. And sure I could help support that thread.
yeah but with 11.11, you can't kill anything, unless flay locks and plasma cannons get a massive buff
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:26:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ. Because we are very limited on both.
for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Tectonic Fusion
1086
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:28:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining
I'm personally giving up the Minmatar scout for the Caldari because EHP > Speed. I like to be fast while having good shields, but the Minmatar has too many restrictions...
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:29:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining I'm personally giving up the Minmatar scout for the Caldari because EHP > Speed. I like to be fast while having good shields, but the Minmatar has too many restrictions...
That hacking speed though XD
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2361
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:31:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining
Never said I was.
Anywhoo, who runs more then 2 kincats? 10.31 is pretty fast for Gallente and I think Min Scout will be able to get 10.81 with 2 kincats.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:31:00 -
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hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:33:00 -
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I'm not sure how effective shield extenders will be in 1.8 until I see it for myself. In the meantime, I don't give two ***** about shield extenders. None of my fits have it anymore due to the nature of ttk.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:34:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGǪonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGǪ. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining Never said I was. Anywhoo, who runs more then 2 kincats? 10.31 is pretty fast for Gallente and I think Min Scout will be able to get 10.81 with 2 kincats.
gallente next patch will fit 3x kin cats, 1x ADV plate, 1x complex extender, 1x damage mod, and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
73
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:34:00 -
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oing to enjoy minny heavy bull rushn at sprt speed of 8 or close to it . chart says 405 and thats the speed of most assaults |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:35:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm not sure how effective shield extenders will be in 1.8 until I see it for myself. In the meantime, I don't give two ***** about shield extenders. None of my fits have it anymore due to the nature of ttk.
Please support this thread anyways, as it is for the good of the community and game as a whole
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1839204#post1839204
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:35:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout
Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have.
i think it will also only take 1 or two more shots to kill a fully shielded minmitar scoutGǪ..
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Cinder Integ
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:39:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it.
The Calculation:
From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats.
Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s)
((.05*.3215+.3215)*(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s i hope people understand that the minmitar scout will not be able to fit kin cats and still have Pg left over for shield extenders and a cloak, much less weapons of any sort
Plasma Cannon.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
6917
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:40:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
...and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed
Good thing I trained up a Gallente alt for this eventuality.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:41:00 -
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Cinder Integ wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it.
The Calculation:
From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats.
Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s)
((.05*.3215+.3215)*(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s i hope people understand that the minmitar scout will not be able to fit kin cats and still have Pg left over for shield extenders and a cloak, much less weapons of any sort Plasma Cannon.
yeah cause the PLC is really good right now lol. Also, its ironic that we can't even fit ADV knives on our suits, much less the useful ones
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:42:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
...and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed
Good thing I trained up a Gallente alt for this eventuality.
i did hear a good point to why minmitar are not UP. They can use a plasma cannon, and are therefore not UP
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
6917
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:42:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have. i think it will also only take 1 or two more shots to kill a fully shielded minmitar scoutGǪ..
Which is why I don't fit shield extenders anymore. What's the point especially when most guns pump out dozens of shots in a single second?
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have. i think it will also only take 1 or two more shots to kill a fully shielded minmitar scoutGǪ.. Which is why I don't fit shield extenders anymore. What's the point especially when most guns pump out dozens of shots in a single second?
yeahGǪ.please though, comment on this thread about your thoughts so that extenders are no longer useless
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1839204#post1839204
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
2588
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:54:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread 360 Shields? It's only 343 when you Max it out....and fastish is an understatement when it comes to maxing speed, I've seen 11.11 m/s and it's untouchable. And sure I could help support that thread. Not if you/they use a combat rifle with aim assist at 20m.
I think this might be more of an issue than Aim Assist if you are stacking KinCats.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2361
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:59:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
gallente next patch will fit 3x kin cats, 1x ADV plate, 1x complex extender, 1x damage mod, and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed
We aren't going to have 5 lows?
Also, with a enhanced plate and 3 kincats we will run at 10.41mps and with 2 kins and a plate we run at 9.71. If we drop the plate and run 3 kincats, we get 10.73. I think Minmatar will run at 10.81mps with 2 kincats.
You guys hack and slash, we hide and scan.
Edit:Also you guys are getting 62/366 base PG/CPU. Not sure how much that is with max skills.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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