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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 718	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:07:00 - [1] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it. The Calculation: From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats. Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s) ((.05.3215+.3215)(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s i hope people understand that the minmitar scout will not be able to fit kin cats and still have Pg left over for shield extenders and a cloak, much less weapons of any sort Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 718	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:08:00 - [2] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGÇªonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGÇª. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 719	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:14:00 - [3] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 719	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bormir1r wrote: I don't think we'll be able to fit in a cloak but we should be able to get in shield extenders. max PG with all fitting skills maxed in 1.8 will be 80. The only non-useless shield extender is complex. 45+33=78 pg to have 360 shields and run fastish, without being able to dodge scanners like a gallente. You now have 2 pg left. The basic cloak costs 9 pg, so if you want to run fast and have over 320 shield, your gonna have to use a flay lock and plasma cannon. This is why gallente will be far superior to minmitar scouts come 1.8. If this seems unfair and irrational, i encourage you to support this thread 360 Shields? It's only 343 when you Max it out....and fastish is an understatement when it comes to maxing speed, I've seen 11.11 m/s and it's untouchable. And sure I could help support that thread. yeah but with 11.11, you can't kill anything, unless flay locks and plasma cannons get a massive buff Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 719	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:26:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGÇªonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGÇª. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 720	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:31:00 - [6] - Quote hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 720	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:34:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Good thing we're getting a cpu/pg buff. were not getting a pg buff thoughGÇªonly CPU for minmitar. Gallente get a cpu and pg buff, but not minmitarGÇª. Because we are very limited on both. for gallente? yeah i guess you were, but minmitar is in an even worse position than gallente fittings wise, so i wouldn't be complaining Never said I was. Anywhoo, who runs more then 2 kincats? 10.31 is pretty fast for Gallente and I think Min Scout will be able to get 10.81 with 2 kincats. gallente next patch will fit 3x kin cats, 1x ADV plate, 1x complex extender, 1x damage mod, and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 720	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:35:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm not sure how effective shield extenders will be in 1.8 until I see it for myself. In the meantime, I don't give two ***** about shield extenders. None of my fits have it anymore due to the nature of ttk. Please support this thread anyways, as it is for the good of the community and game as a whole https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1839204#post1839204 Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 725	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:38:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have. i think it will also only take 1 or two more shots to kill a fully shielded minmitar scoutGÇª.. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 725	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:41:00 - [10] - Quote Cinder Integ wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bormir1r wrote: According to the dust stacking penatly calculator which calculates the bonus of a module, and taking into account the kinetic efficacy bonus per level, I have calculated the Minmatar Scout in 1.8 (because of the 3 low slot modules) to be about 11.11 m/s, which is funny because that is the exact same speed the Gallente scout has when they stack 4 Comp. Kin cats. (Coincidence- I think not!) But I want to make sure my calculations are on par so it would be nice if I could get people to back up my calculations or refute it. The Calculation: From the dust stacking penalty calculator (http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties) the bonus is 32.15% with three comp. kin cats. Accounting for the additional 5% bonus from the kinetic cat. skill and base speed for Minja (8.31m/s) ((.05.3215+.3215)(8.31)) +8.31 = approx. 11.11 m/s i hope people understand that the minmitar scout will not be able to fit kin cats and still have Pg left over for shield extenders and a cloak, much less weapons of any sort Plasma Cannon. yeah cause the PLC is really good right now lol. Also, its ironic that we can't even fit ADV knives on our suits, much less the useful ones Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 725	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:42:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: ...and will be faster than a minmitar scout with equal dampening, have more EHP if the minmitar scout puts 3x complex shield extenders in the highs, do more damage, and have the ability to fit a cloak and a scanner and a shotgun and a sidearm. there is no reason to run minmitar in 1.8, unless you really really like hack speed Good thing I trained up a Gallente alt for this eventuality. i did hear a good point to why minmitar are not UP. They can use a plasma cannon, and are therefore not UP Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 725	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: hacking speed isn't worth it if you can't survive running to the point to hack it. Literally, ONE burst of a PRO combat rifle on a double damage modded min commando next patch will insta gib a non-shielded minmitar scout Which is why I often use El Cheapo fits when I go to hack an objective. If I die, big deal. At least my loss won't be expensive especially with the BPOs that I have. i think it will also only take 1 or two more shots to kill a fully shielded minmitar scoutGÇª.. Which is why I don't fit shield extenders anymore. What's the point especially when most guns pump out dozens of shots in a single second? yeahGÇª.please though, comment on this thread about your thoughts so that extenders are no longer useless https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1839204#post1839204 Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

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