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Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4995	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:09:00 - [1] - Quote Operation Mauler is a good idea but allow me some constructive criticism. It seems we've taken a step back in the "play time-to-reward" ratio with this event. A big concern for Triple SP Week was that the multiplier for play wasn't high enough and it significantly increased the amount of time spent playing if you wanted the benefits. It seems as though we've backtracked to that in a way with this event with 500 additional SP for every kill with an HMG/Forge Gun and 250 additional SP for a heavy kill. Now, apart from having a notepad handy with a leaf chart showing Kills and Confirmed Heavy Kills, it seems the amount of time investment necessary is MUCH higher than one would see than previous events. To give an idea of what that's like for everyone, that's 3000 heavy kills with anything besides light weaponry, 1,500 kills with heavy weapons or 1,000 heavy kills with heavy weapons This is something that is going to take a -very- long time. Eight kills with heavy weaponry a game (spitball average) that's about 190 matches. That's 48 hours of Ambush matches spread out over two weeks, which is a lot to ask out of a gamer. There are pros as the player activity goes up and certain behavior is encouraged but we also have to consider the cons which include burn out and a lot of the game's overarching issues become more apparent. Another thing is that it's focusing on a particular specialization that not everyone uses, so it's either drop some SP into Heavies to run them (there are no militia HMGs afterall) as a jumpstart to a larger investment or grind out the 3000 kills otherwise which is an exceptionally long time when you consider that not all of the players on the other team are going to be running heavies. TL;DR - Bonus SP is great but this shouldn't turn Dust 514 into a second job. Or third, if you play Eve Online. Too much time for too little reward. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 360	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote Just wanted to mention something about dropping SP into HMGs (no MLT HMGs after all.) Use a MLT Amarr Heavy Frame with Republic HMG. No SP necessary. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4995	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:17:00 - [3] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Just wanted to mention something about dropping SP into HMGs (no MLT HMGs after all.) Use a MLT Amarr Heavy Frame with Republic HMG. No SP necessary. True but that also goes into Faction Warfare, which is going to add a lot of wait time in between matches and you're more likely to lose more heavies than you can afford to buy (the HMG that is) Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 971	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:19:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Operation Mauler is a good idea but allow me some constructive criticism. It seems we've taken a step back in the "play time-to-reward" ratio with this event. A big concern for Triple SP Week was that the multiplier for play wasn't high enough and it significantly increased the amount of time spent playing if you wanted the benefits. It seems as though we've backtracked to that in a way with this event with 500 additional SP for every kill with an HMG/Forge Gun and 250 additional SP for a heavy kill. Now, apart from having a notepad handy with a leaf chart showing Kills and Confirmed Heavy Kills, it seems the amount of time investment necessary is MUCH higher than one would see than previous events. To give an idea of what that's like for everyone, that's 3000 heavy kills with anything besides light weaponry, 1,500 kills with heavy weapons or 1,000 heavy kills with heavy weapons This is something that is going to take a -very- long time. Eight kills with heavy weaponry a game (spitball average) that's about 190 matches. That's 48 hours of Ambush matches spread out over two weeks, which is a lot to ask out of a gamer. There are pros as the player activity goes up and certain behavior is encouraged but we also have to consider the cons which include burn out and a lot of the game's overarching issues become more apparent. Another thing is that it's focusing on a particular specialization that not everyone uses, so it's either drop some SP into Heavies to run them (there are no militia HMGs afterall) as a jumpstart to a larger investment or grind out the 3000 kills otherwise which is an exceptionally long time when you consider that not all of the players on the other team are going to be running heavies. TL;DR - Bonus SP is great but this shouldn't turn Dust 514 into a second job. Or third, if you play Eve Online. Too much time for too little reward. you're crying about bonus sp. Shut up, entitled brat. Who wants some?
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4998	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:21:00 - [5] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Operation Mauler is a good idea but allow me some constructive criticism. It seems we've taken a step back in the "play time-to-reward" ratio with this event. A big concern for Triple SP Week was that the multiplier for play wasn't high enough and it significantly increased the amount of time spent playing if you wanted the benefits. It seems as though we've backtracked to that in a way with this event with 500 additional SP for every kill with an HMG/Forge Gun and 250 additional SP for a heavy kill. Now, apart from having a notepad handy with a leaf chart showing Kills and Confirmed Heavy Kills, it seems the amount of time investment necessary is MUCH higher than one would see than previous events. To give an idea of what that's like for everyone, that's 3000 heavy kills with anything besides light weaponry, 1,500 kills with heavy weapons or 1,000 heavy kills with heavy weapons This is something that is going to take a -very- long time. Eight kills with heavy weaponry a game (spitball average) that's about 190 matches. That's 48 hours of Ambush matches spread out over two weeks, which is a lot to ask out of a gamer. There are pros as the player activity goes up and certain behavior is encouraged but we also have to consider the cons which include burn out and a lot of the game's overarching issues become more apparent. Another thing is that it's focusing on a particular specialization that not everyone uses, so it's either drop some SP into Heavies to run them (there are no militia HMGs afterall) as a jumpstart to a larger investment or grind out the 3000 kills otherwise which is an exceptionally long time when you consider that not all of the players on the other team are going to be running heavies. TL;DR - Bonus SP is great but this shouldn't turn Dust 514 into a second job. Or third, if you play Eve Online. Too much time for too little reward. you're crying about bonus sp. Shut up, entitled brat. Hahahaha, man - the point went so far over your head I think I can see it in the parking lot. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2746	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:42:00 - [6] - Quote I really don't understand these second job complaints. If you don't have time don't play the game, CCP is not forcing you to get all the SP. Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 248	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:40:00 - [7] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I really don't understand these second job complaints. If you don't have time don't play the game, CCP is not forcing you to get all the SP. I can understand it feeling like a kick in the nuts if you're really invested in the game, but just don't have the time to devote to it to always hit these caps. So it could possibly ultimately drive some players away. Which is bad. That being said, I don't really see anything wrong with events being based around specific roles. That is, as long as they are varied and come frequently enough. Which I'm hoping to see start happening this year with all the racial parity, and as CCP gets back on to a regular schedule. Oh, and I actually did the math myself when this event was announced. Except that I used 15 kills per match as my conservative estimate. Which would mean that as long as I average 8 matches a day where I average 15 kills a match, I'll hit the cap. And that's before even considering any heavies I also kill. So yea, overall I'm pretty happy with this event. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9474	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:42:00 - [8] - Quote I totally agree, it was fun at first, but it feels like a chore now. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 260	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:47:00 - [9] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I totally agree, it was fun at first, but it feels like a chore now. Is there a reason you must cap out? Too much focus on extrinsic rewards and not enough on intrinsic rewards. Killing those bastards that killed you should be enough. Because, that's why.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 56	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:44:00 - [10] - Quote BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3261	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:48:00 - [11] - Quote The only person making it feel like a second job is you. No one is forcing you to participate in the event. Its there if you want to jump in and life is there if you want to jump out. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 12	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:05:00 - [12] - Quote although i am participating in this event as a heavy, and not a heavy killer -so to speak- i agree that people who are going after heavies are not gaining enough sp, 250 is not very fair to people who don't use heavies, plus the fact that they will get NO bonus sp for the vehicle kills so that means it takes them twice as long to get the first portion of the event, and they cannot partake in the second event at all. not a very fair event.... But i'm still having fun :) Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 249	Posted - 2014.02.21 13:20:00 - [13] - Quote safura trotsky wrote: although i am participating in this event as a heavy, and not a heavy killer -so to speak- i agree that people who are going after heavies are not gaining enough sp, 250 is not very fair to people who don't use heavies, plus the fact that they will get NO bonus sp for the vehicle kills so that means it takes them twice as long to get the first portion of the event, and they cannot partake in the second event at all. not a very fair event.... But i'm still having fun :) They removed the vehicle part from the event. You can only get points from kills now. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 460	Posted - 2014.02.21 13:47:00 - [14] - Quote Make the cap to small amd people killing past the cap will whine, make it to long and people with a life and cant hit the cap will whine. Why dont you just kill people like you normaly would and be happy for any rewards you earn at the end.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5014	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:03:00 - [15] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Make the cap to small amd people killing past the cap will whine, make it to long and people with a life and cant hit the cap will whine. Why dont you just kill people like you normaly would and be happy for any rewards you earn at the end. Like all things in Dust 514, it's amazing how hard it is to appeal to the entire player-base isn't it Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 296	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:05:00 - [16] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: safura trotsky wrote: although i am participating in this event as a heavy, and not a heavy killer -so to speak- i agree that people who are going after heavies are not gaining enough sp, 250 is not very fair to people who don't use heavies, plus the fact that they will get NO bonus sp for the vehicle kills so that means it takes them twice as long to get the first portion of the event, and they cannot partake in the second event at all. not a very fair event.... But i'm still having fun :) They removed the vehicle part from the event. You can only get points from kills now. And we get Isk in exchange, to help balance it out, which I enjoy. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1718	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:07:00 - [17] - Quote been fun tho, yesterday I was on the newer skirmish map with the pipes and zig-zag road, ran to B, saw 3 dots on the passives, drop RE then drop out of view BOOOOM 2 heavies and a logi. beautiful start to a match I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2371	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:19:00 - [19] - Quote I'm really enjoying melting heavies from a distance where their HMG tickles. Not liking it so much when three of them jump out of a jeep and turn me into swiss cheese, though. I will likely not come anywhere near the cap, and that's just fine with me.
Echoist Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 179	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:20:00 - [20] - Quote The way I see it is that you don't HAVE to complete the event 100%, I mean I certainly don't plan on ginishing it and if I somehow do then cool. Either way we're all going to accumulate SP over time, so I try not to think about it as my main objective more like a side option if I'm looking for something different to do. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5015	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:27:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. You'd be silly not to! 750,000 SP what with 1.8 racial parity right around the corner? (Reference point: It's 2,000,000+ to Proto out a dropsuit. The 750,000 SP will go a long way to reducing that blow) Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1908	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:30:00 - [22] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Operation Mauler is a good idea but allow me some constructive criticism. It seems we've taken a step back in the "play time-to-reward" ratio with this event. A big concern for Triple SP Week was that the multiplier for play wasn't high enough and it significantly increased the amount of time spent playing if you wanted the benefits. It seems as though we've backtracked to that in a way with this event with 500 additional SP for every kill with an HMG/Forge Gun and 250 additional SP for a heavy kill. Now, apart from having a notepad handy with a leaf chart showing Kills and Confirmed Heavy Kills, it seems the amount of time investment necessary is MUCH higher than one would see than previous events. To give an idea of what that's like for everyone, that's 3000 heavy kills with anything besides light weaponry, 1,500 kills with heavy weapons or 1,000 heavy kills with heavy weapons This is something that is going to take a -very- long time. Eight kills with heavy weaponry a game (spitball average) that's about 190 matches. That's 48 hours of Ambush matches spread out over two weeks, which is a lot to ask out of a gamer. There are pros as the player activity goes up and certain behavior is encouraged but we also have to consider the cons which include burn out and a lot of the game's overarching issues become more apparent. Another thing is that it's focusing on a particular specialization that not everyone uses, so it's either drop some SP into Heavies to run them (there are no militia HMGs afterall) as a jumpstart to a larger investment or grind out the 3000 kills otherwise which is an exceptionally long time when you consider that not all of the players on the other team are going to be running heavies. TL;DR - Bonus SP is great but this shouldn't turn Dust 514 into a second job. Or third, if you play Eve Online. Too much time for too little reward. they are giving two weeks to complete as well instead of one. I got 220 confirmed kills in my time of playing last night. unconfirmed how many were heavy sadly i forgot to keep track. with heavy kills taken into account I suspect i'm closer to 250-280 that would mean I would cap out in about 7 or 8 days, since i have 14 i can take it pretty easy, and reach my goal.
neausea 1987 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 45	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:32:00 - [23] - Quote i like how this event has people testing the water on different suits and styles. i pray that 1.8 is the player base answer for now. (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ what i do to proto suit users
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2720	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:37:00 - [24] - Quote There hasn't been an event yet where I haven't found myself debating the value of the time and labor invested. For bonus SP, I grind. For items, I don't even bother. I just play my game and let it be. This is one of those events where not having a stat tracker is going to cut me short of the full bonus because I have no way to know how far I've gone, and thusly won't put forth the time and effort to achieve all of the outlined goals. I could play all week and insure completion, but that's not going to happen. I GÖú Kittens.
The Attorney General 2177	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:42:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: You'd be silly not to! 750,000 SP what with 1.8 racial parity right around the corner? (Reference point: It's 2,000,000+ to Proto out a dropsuit. The 750,000 SP will go a long way to reducing that blow) Well, if it is too much of an effort to play the game, you can just do what Mark Burkhart was doing and boost. Save time, get your rewards, and hopefully get reset. Either that or just play the game. I played the first day of the event and got 400 heavy kills. I'll get my full bonus SP just capping out twice. Maybe get better with a heavy suit? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1388	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:44:00 - [26] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: you're crying about bonus sp. Shut up, entitled brat. ahh amazing you've managed to make me like aeon more, and i've always thought of him as a loud mouthed douchebag, congrats you've replaced him. +1 aeon you've summed up how i feel about this event perfectly.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:47:00 - [27] - Quote I'm a ok player and I'm averaging about 60 to 100 kills a day in pub matchs.. This is a great event I never had more fun with a A-1 suit and a HMG.. Forge on the other hand has been lack luster but that's because it's needs to be unnerfed NOW. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5018	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:54:00 - [28] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: you're crying about bonus sp. Shut up, entitled brat. ahh amazing you've managed to make me like aeon more, and i've always thought of him as a loud mouthed douchebag, congrats you've replaced him. +1 aeon you've summed up how i feel about this event perfectly. Hey, I get it right sometimes We really should squad up sometime and discuss, yanno? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:50:00 - [29] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. You'd be silly not to! 750,000 SP what with 1.8 racial parity right around the corner? (Reference point: It's 2,000,000+ to Proto out a dropsuit. The 750,000 SP will go a long way to reducing that blow) Most people would rather QQ for a respec.. it's easier. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2586	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:00:00 - [30] - Quote Judging from these calculations I donGÇÖt think I will get the full 750,000 SP. But I should be able to manage the 300 Boundless HMGGÇÖs. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:14:00 - [31] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: You'd be silly not to! 750,000 SP what with 1.8 racial parity right around the corner? (Reference point: It's 2,000,000+ to Proto out a dropsuit. The 750,000 SP will go a long way to reducing that blow) Well, if it is too much of an effort to play the game, you can just do what Mark Burkhart was doing and boost. Save time, get your rewards, and hopefully get reset. Either that or just play the game. I played the first day of the event and got 400 heavy kills. I'll get my full bonus SP just capping out twice. Maybe get better with a heavy suit? It was a troll thread General. No one was boosting man.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2586	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:14:00 - [32] - Quote I like they guys running RR/CR on Heavy suits. If I kill them I get 750 Skill Points. If they kill me they only get 250. I am surprised at how many of them there are. It is almost like they donGÇÖt know that you have to be using a Heavy Weapon to get the 500 point part of the bonus. Also, in a good match I might get 8000 skill points. If I get 16 non heavy kills I double that. That makes me like the event even if I donGÇÖt get cap. Also for people who are capped out, it is a lot better than only getting 1000 SP a match. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2588	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:19:00 - [33] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: There hasn't been an event yet where I haven't found myself debating the value of the time and labor invested. For bonus SP, I grind. For items, I don't even bother. I just play my game and let it be. This is one of those events where not having a stat tracker is going to cut me short of the full bonus because I have no way to know how far I've gone, and thusly won't put forth the time and effort to achieve all of the outlined goals. I could play all week and insure completion, but that's not going to happen. If you only play as Heavy you can watch your kill count on the Weekly Leader Board. You have to discount the ones you kill with your sidearm, grenades, or Warbarge Strikes, etc, but if you are a dedicated Heavy most of your kills will count. It will not tell you how many Heavy kills you get for the extra 250, but it will give you a ballpark figure to work from. Also, I am still a big fan of your Corp name. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
The Attorney General 2183	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:20:00 - [34] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: It was a troll thread General. No one was boosting man. I think we have reached inception. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5023	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:38:00 - [35] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Rynoceros wrote: There hasn't been an event yet where I haven't found myself debating the value of the time and labor invested. For bonus SP, I grind. For items, I don't even bother. I just play my game and let it be. This is one of those events where not having a stat tracker is going to cut me short of the full bonus because I have no way to know how far I've gone, and thusly won't put forth the time and effort to achieve all of the outlined goals. I could play all week and insure completion, but that's not going to happen. If you only play as Heavy you can watch your kill count on the Weekly Leader Board. You have to discount the ones you kill with your sidearm, grenades, or Warbarge Strikes, etc, but if you are a dedicated Heavy most of your kills will count. It will not tell you how many Heavy kills you get for the extra 250, but it will give you a ballpark figure to work from. Also, I am still a big fan of your Corp name. I deleted all of my fits and made a few new ones that don't have grenades/sidearms. I also don't run squad lead. However, I did manage to accidentally kill someone with the LAV I was driving to close the distance. Was kinda sad about that actually. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1004	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:46:00 - [36] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: you're crying about bonus sp. Shut up, entitled brat. ahh amazing you've managed to make me like aeon more, and i've always thought of him as a loud mouthed douchebag, congrats you've replaced him. +1 aeon you've summed up how i feel about this event perfectly. its nice to have a shoulder to cry on. Who wants some?
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2724	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:43:00 - [37] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Rynoceros wrote: There hasn't been an event yet where I haven't found myself debating the value of the time and labor invested. For bonus SP, I grind. For items, I don't even bother. I just play my game and let it be. This is one of those events where not having a stat tracker is going to cut me short of the full bonus because I have no way to know how far I've gone, and thusly won't put forth the time and effort to achieve all of the outlined goals. I could play all week and insure completion, but that's not going to happen. If you only play as Heavy you can watch your kill count on the Weekly Leader Board. You have to discount the ones you kill with your sidearm, grenades, or Warbarge Strikes, etc, but if you are a dedicated Heavy most of your kills will count. It will not tell you how many Heavy kills you get for the extra 250, but it will give you a ballpark figure to work from. Also, I am still a big fan of your Corp name. I hadn't thought about that. I do get a few kills in my tactical fittings, so I can easily discount them. It seems like 25% would be a safe percentage of Heavies killed to adjust for. But really, this is beyond ridiculous that they still do these events with no way to track your personal progress. GÿàThanks. I GÖú Kittens.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6864	Posted - 2014.02.21 20:10:00 - [38] - Quote I respectfully disagree. Here's why 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. 2) You do not have to hit this event cap to benefit from it. 3) Let's say you get 10 HMG kills per match, that is 5000 SP extra per match. That is almost like a pure double SP event. 4) The potential SP possible from this event is 750k. Divide that over two weeks, it is 375k SP per week. If you cap the event, that is like two straight weeks of triple SP. 5) You only need to average 107 kills per day to cap the event There's a few things to complain about this event, like the only viable heavy weapon to hit the cap is the HMG and general lack of heavy weapons and dropsuits, but I don't see any way you can complain about how they are handling the SP. In the past we've had double SP events but it'd only double your WP, so if you averaged 1000 WP a match you'd only get 1000 bonus SP. With this event if you average 10 kills you get 5000 bonus SP. I don't see how this is a step backwards. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Scheherazade VII 225	Posted - 2014.02.21 20:48:00 - [39] - Quote meh, i didn't even have weaponry 5 unlocked so didn't have the SP to even try the event but what would be the point in having MORE heavies? I'd be one out of 6, every game I've played today and recently it's been nothing BUT heavies. The amount of times I've died just because a heavy walks round the corner with over 1000hp whilst I'm almost dead is absurd. I've been keeping my distance, guaranteed you will just get slaughtered at any objective because there's 5 ******* heavies on it. The map with the underground objective complex is stupid, you can't put enough distance between you and the HMG user for him to not be hitting you at full pelt. I've seen so many heavies get amazing scores during this event just because they've been purely in CQC, because of the building housing the objective.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 397	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:00:00 - [40] - Quote its a bit of fun, go enjoy the event and pay no attention to the cap CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5033	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:15:00 - [41] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I respectfully disagree. Here's why 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. 2) You do not have to hit this event cap to benefit from it. 3) Let's say you get 10 HMG kills per match, that is 5000 SP extra per match. That is almost like a pure double SP event. 4) The potential SP possible from this event is 750k. Divide that over two weeks, it is 375k SP per week. If you cap the event, that is like two straight weeks of triple SP. 5) You only need to average 107 kills per day to cap the event There's a few things to complain about this event, like the only viable heavy weapon to hit the cap is the HMG and general lack of heavy weapons and dropsuits, but I don't see any way you can complain about how they are handling the SP. In the past we've had double SP events but it'd only double your WP, so if you averaged 1000 WP a match you'd only get 1000 bonus SP. With this event if you average 10 kills you get 5000 bonus SP. I don't see how this is a step backwards. 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. ^ Source? Why wouldn't it count..? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 252	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:14:00 - [42] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I respectfully disagree. Here's why 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. 2) You do not have to hit this event cap to benefit from it. 3) Let's say you get 10 HMG kills per match, that is 5000 SP extra per match. That is almost like a pure double SP event. 4) The potential SP possible from this event is 750k. Divide that over two weeks, it is 375k SP per week. If you cap the event, that is like two straight weeks of triple SP. 5) You only need to average 107 kills per day to cap the event There's a few things to complain about this event, like the only viable heavy weapon to hit the cap is the HMG and general lack of heavy weapons and dropsuits, but I don't see any way you can complain about how they are handling the SP. In the past we've had double SP events but it'd only double your WP, so if you averaged 1000 WP a match you'd only get 1000 bonus SP. With this event if you average 10 kills you get 5000 bonus SP. I don't see how this is a step backwards. 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. ^ Source? Why wouldn't it count..? What he said. Not sure where you got this from. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6866	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:19:00 - [43] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. ^ Source? Why wouldn't it count..? D'oh, read my source wrong. You are correct. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 493	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:35:00 - [44] - Quote So I decided to see what this was all about. While I've played around with the forge gun, I've never used an HMG before. That's right, a 30M+ SP HMG virgin. My fit: Dren Sentinel High: 1 complex damage mod. Low: 1 enhanced plate, 1 proto ferroscae plate HW: basic AUR HMG LW: toxin AR Nade: M-1 Locus EZ mode in enclosed spaces. People melt. Light suits sometimes by simply passing the spray across them. KDR was about 4. Higher when I got logi love, lower when I was abandoned or too slow to keep up. Got pounded one round by a trio of quality corp squads (FA, VC, and someone else I can't recall) -- I think I died 16 times that round (dwater probably got half of them, lol)....the highest in several months....and I still about broke even ISK-wise and.... I had a blast!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 756	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:52:00 - [45] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. Then I don't think you fully understand the midset of eve players. (They are all about every single last SP.) And damn right too! I'm not sure if I would pick fault like Aeon has however I do sort of see his point. As for the guy near the beginning of the thread name calling with "Entitled brat". That is one of the biggest things that puts me off about this forum. Its great when we all discuss stuff but so many people are just down right rude on here. You don't even know these other people that you interact with on the forum. Show a modicum of respect! (Do they only teach respect in England or something these days?) Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5042	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:00:00 - [46] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. Then I don't think you fully understand the midset of eve players. (They are all about every single last SP.) And damn right too! I'm not sure if I would pick fault like Aeon has however I do sort of see his point. As for the guy near the beginning of the thread name calling with "Entitled brat". That is one of the biggest things that puts me off about this forum. Its great when we all discuss stuff but so many people are just down right rude on here. You don't even know these other people that you interact with on the forum. Show a modicum of respect! (Do they only teach respect in England or something these days?) And people wonder why CCP/CPM isn't active on the forums Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4371	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:39:00 - [47] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: UPDATE: So I decided to see what this was all about. While I've played around with the forge gun, I've never used an HMG before. That's right, a 30M+ SP HMG virgin. So I cooked up a quick fit: Dren Sentinel High: 1 complex damage mod. Low: 1 enhanced plate, 1 proto ferroscae plate HW: basic AUR HMG (rather than spending the SP) LW: toxin AR Nade: M-1 Locus EZ mode in enclosed spaces. People melt. Light suits sometimes by simply passing the spray across them. Grenades? lol Other heavies are your primary concern. Being caught in the open by a ranged weapon is problematic (solution:BPO LAV), but that darn SMG is remarkably powerful out to about 40m or so it seems. Of the assault rifles, CR got me more than AR or RR. KDR was about 4 -- higher than my typical CalLogi ARR suit. My KDR was higher when I got logi love, lower when I was abandoned or too slow to keep up. Got pounded one round by a trio of quality corp squads -- I think I died 16 times that round (dwater probably got half of them, lol)....the highest in several months....and I still about broke even ISK-wise and.... I had a blast! Never knew you fatties had it so good. The Dren Sentinel has a light and heavy slot? Impressive. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5042	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:43:00 - [48] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: UPDATE: So I decided to see what this was all about. While I've played around with the forge gun, I've never used an HMG before. That's right, a 30M+ SP HMG virgin. So I cooked up a quick fit: Dren Sentinel High: 1 complex damage mod. Low: 1 enhanced plate, 1 proto ferroscae plate HW: basic AUR HMG (rather than spending the SP) LW: toxin AR Nade: M-1 Locus EZ mode in enclosed spaces. People melt. Light suits sometimes by simply passing the spray across them. Grenades? lol Other heavies are your primary concern. Being caught in the open by a ranged weapon is problematic (solution:BPO LAV), but that darn SMG is remarkably powerful out to about 40m or so it seems. Of the assault rifles, CR got me more than AR or RR. KDR was about 4 -- higher than my typical CalLogi ARR suit. My KDR was higher when I got logi love, lower when I was abandoned or too slow to keep up. Got pounded one round by a trio of quality corp squads -- I think I died 16 times that round (dwater probably got half of them, lol)....the highest in several months....and I still about broke even ISK-wise and.... I had a blast! Never knew you fatties had it so good. The Dren Sentinel has a light and heavy slot? Impressive. If that's true it's certainly an example of pay-to-win. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2683	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:45:00 - [49] - Quote Bonus SP is what it is, Bonus SP You are not forced to do the event No one puts a gun to your head and makes you play for 5 days straight I used a booster this week and capped out, the event allows me to earn a bit more if i want to play heavy but i only do it if i get a nice map I hope for more events like this in the future, 1 for each class and playstyle that way everyone gets a bite of the apple Intelligence is OP
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:55:00 - [50] - Quote I can't pretend to understand the OPs frustration. I love events. It's bonus SP. You don't have to have it. It's BONUS. It changes the game. Now...heavies...everywhere. I was chased by six heavies yesterday. They were running around punching everything to death. So much WIN! I love seeing the landscape change a bit. I bet even some FOTM players might drop their kali RRs to play as a heavy too and, I don't know, maybe have some fun. Having fun > KDR Having fun > grinding SP Having fun > winning a pub match It's your fault if you turn a game into work. We can pickle that.

Cinder Integ Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:33:00 - [51] - Quote Not trying to brag, because nostop playing is nothing to brag about... I believe I was the first to finish the event. I started Wednesday playing about 8 hours a day. I didn't count kills against heavies, and tallied up all heavy weapon kills on an excel spreadsheet. It was a grind, but I didn't mind it because I would have been playing anyways. Givin that there was 2 weeks to finish this event, I wouldn't personally complain that it would be that hard to complete for most players. Also, extra sp for an event that you don't need to participate in is not worth complaining about, and I would rather take 24 hours of play time and get 750,000 sp than take 12 hours and get 400 suits and 200 Nova Knifes that I could buy with this inflated economy's isk. Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 770	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:42:00 - [52] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Operation Mauler is a good idea but allow me some constructive criticism. It seems we've taken a step back in the "play time-to-reward" ratio with this event. A big concern for Triple SP Week was that the multiplier for play wasn't high enough and it significantly increased the amount of time spent playing if you wanted the benefits. It seems as though we've backtracked to that in a way with this event with 500 additional SP for every kill with an HMG/Forge Gun and 250 additional SP for a heavy kill. Now, apart from having a notepad handy with a leaf chart showing Kills and Confirmed Heavy Kills, it seems the amount of time investment necessary is MUCH higher than one would see than previous events. To give an idea of what that's like for everyone, that's 3000 heavy kills with anything besides light weaponry, 1,500 kills with heavy weapons or 1,000 heavy kills with heavy weapons This is something that is going to take a -very- long time. Eight kills with heavy weaponry a game (spitball average) that's about 190 matches. That's 48 hours of Ambush matches spread out over two weeks, which is a lot to ask out of a gamer. There are pros as the player activity goes up and certain behavior is encouraged but we also have to consider the cons which include burn out and a lot of the game's overarching issues become more apparent. Another thing is that it's focusing on a particular specialization that not everyone uses, so it's either drop some SP into Heavies to run them (there are no militia HMGs afterall) as a jumpstart to a larger investment or grind out the 3000 kills otherwise which is an exceptionally long time when you consider that not all of the players on the other team are going to be running heavies. TL;DR - Bonus SP is great but this shouldn't turn Dust 514 into a second job. Or third, if you play Eve Online. Too much time for too little reward. I think 500SP per heavy kill is reasonable, but the 750,000SP cap is too high (and so was 500,000+250,000, which is what it used to be before they got rid of the vehicle kill bonus). 1500 kills with heavy is very grindy. I think 400,000WP or 800 kills would have been more reasonable.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 495	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:44:00 - [53] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: UPDATE: So I decided to see what this was all about. While I've played around with the forge gun, I've never used an HMG before. That's right, a 30M+ SP HMG virgin. So I cooked up a quick fit: Dren Sentinel A-1 High: 1 complex damage mod. Low: 1 enhanced plate, 1 proto ferroscale plate HW: basic AUR HMG (rather than spending the SP) Sidearm: M-209 SMG <===CORRECTED Nade: M-1 Locus [deleted] Never knew you fatties had it so good. The Dren Sentinel has a light and heavy slot? Impressive. If that's true it's certainly an example of pay-to-win. Sorry, I made a mistake. It's a SMG. I corrected the post, as above.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 770	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:49:00 - [54] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I respectfully disagree. Here's why 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. 2) You do not have to hit this event cap to benefit from it. 3) Let's say you get 10 HMG kills per match, that is 5000 SP extra per match. That is almost like a pure double SP event. 4) The potential SP possible from this event is 750k. Divide that over two weeks, it is 375k SP per week. If you cap the event, that is like two straight weeks of triple SP. 5) You only need to average 107 kills per day to cap the event There's a few things to complain about this event, like the only viable heavy weapon to hit the cap is the HMG and general lack of heavy weapons and dropsuits, but I don't see any way you can complain about how they are handling the SP. In the past we've had double SP events but it'd only double your WP, so if you averaged 1000 WP a match you'd only get 1000 bonus SP. With this event if you average 10 kills you get 5000 bonus SP. I don't see how this is a step backwards. 1) Yes it will take 1500 kills with heavy weapons to hit the cap (do note you have an error, killing a heavy with a heavy weapon is not combined 500 SP + 250 SP, it is just 500 SP), but you have two weeks to do this keep in mind. ^ Source? Why wouldn't it count..? Does count: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: However, if you kill a heavy suit with a HMG then you will get credit for both objectives i.e. kill bonus with HMG and kill bonus for the heavy. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141414&p=5
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 48	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:04:00 - [55] - Quote I hate the event theres heavies every where with HMG killing me from the range of an AR in my double sidearm scout. 5 of the sixteen are heavies and their all usually together and its impossible to evade them with speed. I do take down 2/10 heavies in my 2x sidearm scout but its really annoying. -Open Beta Vet-13.7 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5046	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:49:00 - [56] - Quote Cinder Integ wrote: Not trying to brag, because nostop playing is nothing to brag about... I believe I was the first to finish the event. I started Wednesday playing about 8 hours a day. I didn't count kills against heavies, and tallied up all heavy weapon kills on an excel spreadsheet. It was a grind, but I didn't mind it because I would have been playing anyways. Givin that there was 2 weeks to finish this event, I wouldn't personally complain that it would be that hard to complete for most players. Also, extra sp for an event that you don't need to participate in is not worth complaining about, and I would rather take 24 hours of play time and get 750,000 sp than take 12 hours and get 400 suits and 200 Nova Knifes that I could buy with this inflated economy's isk. Well sure, if anyone's complaining. Constructive criticism =/= Complaining. Seriously, think everyone's getting a little ridiculous with the "no-ones putting a gun to your head" routine. It's a competitive game and you'd be stupid not to try and get the bonus SP for that competitive edge, especially with 1.8 releasing racial parity for both Heavies and Scouts, changing up skill bonuses, etc. Having an additional 750,000 SP to spec into something else when so much is being changed and they haven't -officially- announced that there is going to be a respec is something you'd be insane to ignore. Let's be fair, no-one is forcing a player to play the game and get the bonus SP... Then again, no-one is forcing them to go to work or school either. No-one is putting a gun to your head and saying, you -HAVE- to go to work. But it's nice to have money. Much like it's nice to have bonus SP. See what I'm getting at here? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 252	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:10:00 - [57] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The event isn't "get 1500 kills with a heavy weapon and earn bonus sp" It's "use heavy stuff and get bonus sp" Seriously, is your goal in this game to earn every single skill point possible? That's not what these events are about...it's just an incentive to use a certian playstyle, or a bonus for doing certain things. It's at such a high amount so that players that are hardcore players can earn bonus sp the entire time. You don't have to hit a certain amount. Then I don't think you fully understand the midset of eve players. (They are all about every single last SP.) And damn right too! I'm not sure if I would pick fault like Aeon has however I do sort of see his point. As for the guy near the beginning of the thread name calling with "Entitled brat". That is one of the biggest things that puts me off about this forum. Its great when we all discuss stuff but so many people are just down right rude on here. You don't even know these other people that you interact with on the forum. Show a modicum of respect! (Do they only teach respect in England or something these days?) I was completely with you until the blatant nationalism at the end. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.


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