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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2014.02.20 05:39:00 -
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I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen. |
843 nerfnut96
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
214
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:52:00 -
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+1
Capt. Nerfnut96 // Ranking Officer // War Director // Burgezz ETF
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1648
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:03:00 -
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Apply to pubs too
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Cinder Integ
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:06:00 -
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Welcome to every online competitive game there is. To be the best, you need to have skill, hardware, and 20-40 ping.
Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
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D34NOS MAZDA
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
317
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:17:00 -
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Cinder Integ wrote:Welcome to every online competitive game there is. To be the best, you need to have skill, hardware, and 20-40 ping.
I have just purchased a hybrid drive and I am now the first into almost every battle where I was normally loading in around 10th when people had already started making there way to the objectives.
Doesn't cost much more than a SSD but gives very similar performance. I also see the warbarge for 8 - 10 secs.
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BulletsOfFury
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:28:00 -
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Suggestions is right HERE
Are they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store?
Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed?
Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
483
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:47:00 -
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Latency is measured in milliseconds and is not a factor in spawning.
The improvement of an SSD to first spawn times is 5-10 seconds, and is an unfair advantage, IMO.
The best PC teams are more than aware of this advantage, and use it religiously. |
Suanar Daranaus
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:41:00 -
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My question is,  Can ALL PS3's use an SSD ?
I want one ! |
Vag Eye Lenol
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.02.20 17:36:00 -
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Recommend a hybrid drive, better for your buck |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
173
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:13:00 -
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Funniest. Thread. Ever.
Dropping an Orbital Strike when a PC starts is fair, right?
Using BPO and saving ton's of ISK if fair, right?
Buying AUR items is not punished neighter restricted AFAIK. Right?
Are you living in a third world country? Are you going to blame God for that?
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
361
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:19:00 -
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Google fiber is OP.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
337
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:24:00 -
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I think it's a combination of SSD and server if they're getting that far ahead.
Just have a countdown (30 seconds?) at the start of matches before the spawns are unlocked. |
TANDIcn TK
Die Valkyrja
Renegade Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:09:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:Funniest. Thread. Ever.
Dropping an Orbital Strike when a PC starts is fair, right?
Using BPO and saving ton's of ISK if fair, right?
Buying AUR items is not punished neighter restricted AFAIK. Right?
Are you living in a third world country? Are you going to blame God for that?
I live in third world countries, my network is poor, the Ping 400~600, but I can kill u as a dogpÇé
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gdttfr433
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:03:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:Funniest. Thread. Ever.
Dropping an Orbital Strike when a PC starts is fair, right?
Using BPO and saving ton's of ISK if fair, right?
Buying AUR items is not punished neighter restricted AFAIK. Right?
Are you living in a third world country? Are you going to blame God for that?
People with the advantages usually dont complain as much as those that dont have it. You use blue prints, aurum, and have really fast internet speed huh? :P |
Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
764
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Posted - 2014.02.21 13:12:00 -
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+1 for OP, clearly a ridiculous situation. On console skill should be the differentiator, not hardware. |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
174
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Posted - 2014.02.21 13:16:00 -
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TANDIcn TK wrote:I live in third world countries, my network is poor, the Ping 400~600, but I can kill u as a dogpÇé
If you can do that then you don't really need a SSD. 
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Baltazar Pontain
Phantom Universe Task Force
Die Fremdenlegion
82
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:51:00 -
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Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen.
Dude this is not counter strike.
Most of the times it does not matter who is first at a certain objective.
It matters how well organized the group is when they approach it.
The enemy is faster? WHO CARES!
Have a good intel and fight them away.
Those seconds do not matter. Preparation does. |
Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
7
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Posted - 2014.02.21 23:36:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen. Dude this is not counter strike. Most of the times it does not matter who is first at a certain objective. It matters how well organized the group is when they approach it. The enemy is faster? WHO CARES! Have a good intel and fight them away. Those seconds do not matter. Preparation does.
You obviously haven't played in a PC where an enemy dropship with spawner gets to your home objective on the top of a hanger before your team spawns in. I don't care how prepared you are, how coordinated...you are set back at least 25% of the game just trying to clear the hurdle that has been presented due to the fact one guy with a dropship had a solid state drive. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
363
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Posted - 2014.02.21 23:39:00 -
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The PS3 doesn't really have the specs to take full advantage of a SSD.
Pineapples on pizza.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2775
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Posted - 2014.02.22 05:38:00 -
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+1
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GRIMSNIPER69
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2014.02.22 07:32:00 -
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i agree with this +1 good sir. it would make sense and i think within that alotted time you shuld also be able to call in you vehicle so its primed and ready for you. and if implemented in pubs /fw this would allow ds pilots to take off with out hitting the RDVs cause theyd be out of the way.
!!!!!SKIRMISH OVERHAUL!!!!!
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1769463#post1769463
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Baltazar Pontain
Phantom Universe Task Force
Die Fremdenlegion
83
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Posted - 2014.02.22 07:47:00 -
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Blackcell SAH wrote:
You obviously haven't played in a PC where an enemy dropship with spawner gets to your home objective on the top of a hanger before your team spawns in. I don't care how prepared you are, how coordinated...you are set back at least 25% of the game just trying to clear the hurdle that has been presented due to the fact one guy with a dropship had a solid state drive.
As mentioned earlier. Don't get yourself to much in a hurry.
I have seen that in so many games.
People think "Oh I need to be very fast there otherwise all is lost".
And all people from both parties thought so.
I remember a map in counter strike where the people were able to count the seconds that need to past to throw a grenade in a certain alley to hit the people that were running through.
And the funniest part was:
When you were able to calm your team, hold back and do not play this style;played your own style;
the enemy team was confused.
To make a long story short, adapt your tactics...
Or keep thinking in one dimension, it does not matter for me.
I just tried to give another perspective. |
Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
301
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Posted - 2014.02.23 00:36:00 -
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I have an SSD and while it does get me in the game faster it doesn't make a huge difference for me(maybe 3 seconds). What made it worth it was that the game used to pause in a match every once in a while when it loaded something new - it doesn't do that anymore. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
2
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Posted - 2014.02.23 07:13:00 -
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i have fast internet, 120Mbits down, I have the BPOs, I have aur. But i refuse to mod my ps3 to give myself an unfair advantage. its crap. CoD even has a countdown timer
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
404
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Posted - 2014.02.23 09:05:00 -
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This has been the real pay to win issue in dust for more than a year now :/.
Does CCP have stock in SSD manufacturing companies? |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
404
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Posted - 2014.02.23 09:06:00 -
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Stile451 wrote:I have an SSD and while it does get me in the game faster it doesn't make a huge difference for me(maybe 3 seconds). What made it worth it was that the game used to pause in a match every once in a while when it loaded something new - it doesn't do that anymore.
What you are likely seeing is the bargain basement HDD that Sony puts into PS3s is giving you issues(HDD performance varies greatly between models).
Every second counts.
Think of it as a chess match. And those with SSDs are always white every time. Their winning percentage end up being higher as a result. Thus not fair. |
Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
13
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:23:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:Blackcell SAH wrote:
You obviously haven't played in a PC where an enemy dropship with spawner gets to your home objective on the top of a hanger before your team spawns in. I don't care how prepared you are, how coordinated...you are set back at least 25% of the game just trying to clear the hurdle that has been presented due to the fact one guy with a dropship had a solid state drive.
As mentioned earlier. Don't get yourself to much in a hurry. I have seen that in so many games. People think "Oh I need to be very fast there otherwise all is lost". And all people from both parties thought so. I remember a map in counter strike where the people were able to count the seconds that need to past to throw a grenade in a certain alley to hit the people that were running through. And the funniest part was: When you were able to calm your team, hold back and do not play this style;played your own style; the enemy team was confused. To make a long story short, adapt your tactics... Or keep thinking in one dimension, it does not matter for me. I just tried to give another perspective.
Adapt your tactics?
You must be running a PS3 with SSD installed :)
We do adapt. We coordinate our fights with a generality and then hone the specifics in the first seconds of the game when we don't know which map we are fighting on. Another point, the beginning seconds matter.
The people who complain "this isn't a valid issue leave it alone" either:
1. Don't care about the strategic advantage it gives players
2. Don't want CCP to think it's a problem needing to be fixed, therefore ruining their advantage
3. Haven't participated in a PC match where two corps evenly matched obviously won due to the SSD players on their team capitalizing on the few seconds it provides.
You have your opinion and I have mine. If I didn't think SSD's had didly squat to do with the outcome of a very close battle, I wouldn't be voicing my opinion about it.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2270
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:49:00 -
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Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen.
Scrublord.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Medical Crash
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
208
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:52:00 -
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After I installed my 840 EVO SSD, DUST is so much better. The "mini freezes" are gone, my game no longer stop every 20-30 seconds. Also, the game is very fluid, no delays really. Of course I'm also in matches very very early. Only running on the PS3's SATA 1, but I still see much improvement over that stock Seagate 5200RPM drive. |
VikingCheech iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
25
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Posted - 2014.02.26 13:46:00 -
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+1 ccp should nerf it with their hammer! give us a 10 secs no spawn cap at begging of battles on all game modes. |
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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
14
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:23:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen. Scrublord.
Troll. |
Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:31:00 -
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BulletsOfFury wrote:Suggestions is right HEREAre they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store? Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed? Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish
Congratulations. I can now replace the worst analogy I've ever heard with this one. |
Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:34:00 -
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gdttfr433 wrote:Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:Funniest. Thread. Ever.
Dropping an Orbital Strike when a PC starts is fair, right?
Using BPO and saving ton's of ISK if fair, right?
Buying AUR items is not punished neighter restricted AFAIK. Right?
Are you living in a third world country? Are you going to blame God for that? People with the advantages usually dont complain as much as those that dont have it. You use blue prints, aurum, and have really fast internet speed huh? :P
+1
And I'm glad someone could pick the meaning out of his statement. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
554
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:52:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen. Dude this is not counter strike. Most of the times it does not matter who is first at a certain objective. It matters how well organized the group is when they approach it. The enemy is faster? WHO CARES! Have a good intel and fight them away. Those seconds do not matter. Preparation does.
Based on my experience with PC, you could not be more wrong.
Those seconds are the MOST important of the game -- defenders (and the uplinks they lay) are at a huge advantage in this game, and even moreso in PC with coordinated defense. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
1765
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:59:00 -
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BulletsOfFury wrote:Suggestions is right HEREAre they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store? Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed? Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish
They who? "They" developers, should guarantee a game as fair as possible. It actually happens to play with crappy connections and you can't do anything about it (my case). So, yeah, if they want to have a wider range of players they should work more on lag compensation and optimizations for HDD.
>Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
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NINEinch WEAPON
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
1
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Posted - 2014.03.01 03:22:00 -
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Maybe CCP need to put an independent server in everyones back yard...that would make it fair yeah...
"winning" an inch at a time
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Otavio Martins
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
215
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:24:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
8
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:38:00 -
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BulletsOfFury wrote:Suggestions is right HEREAre they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store? Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed? Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish
You have a highly valid point. I might invest in an SSD myself now.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
442
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:03:00 -
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BulletsOfFury wrote:Suggestions is right HEREAre they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store? Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed? Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish
once upon a time a young mercenary tried to race his Ferrari in an amateur competition, do to the unfair conditions the race track imposed restrictions on the race to make it depend on skill more than pocket book
Proud Christian
add p2p already!
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
8
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:25:00 -
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in PC its not 'Ferrari vs. Prius'
both teams should be prepared.
Its all fair in love and war. and i believe this is futuristic war.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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The-Errorist
518
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:16:00 -
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VikingCheech iBUN wrote:+1 ccp should nerf it with their hammer! give us a 10 secs no spawn cap at begging of battles on all game modes.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
9
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:49:00 -
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I was looking at how an SSD works compared to a regular hard drive and realized that there is no fix for this (not that this is a problem).
Regardless of the spawn timer, the SSD will allow people to spawn in sooner because their game will load faster. The more recent games use the hard drive as additional temp storage along with the RAM. Being able to read from the drive quicker (the way an SSD allows) makes everything run a lot smoother. Especially since this game runs purely off the hard drive.
I hope im not talking out of my a$$ here, but thats how I understand it.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
446
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:43:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I was looking at how an SSD works compared to a regular hard drive and realized that there is no fix for this (not that this is a problem).
Regardless of the spawn timer, the SSD will allow people to spawn in sooner because their game will load faster. The more recent games use the hard drive as additional temp storage along with the RAM. Being able to read from the drive quicker (the way an SSD allows) makes everything run a lot smoother. Especially since this game runs purely off the hard drive.
I hope im not talking out of my a$$ here, but thats how I understand it.
the fix is to delay the game so that all players can finish loading then the ability to spawn comes in
Proud Christian
add p2p already!
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
446
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:46:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:BulletsOfFury wrote:Suggestions is right HEREAre they preventing you to go buy an SSD at your local store? Are they preventing you from getting higher internet speed? Once upon a time a mercenary bought a Ferrari with his own efforts he managed to pay for it but suddenly everybody felt entitled to either get a free Ferrari or to have the mercenary's Ferrari in the junkyard... interpret it as you wish once upon a time a young mercenary tried to race his Ferrari in an amateur competition, do to the unfair conditions the race track imposed restrictions on the race to make it depend on skill more than pocket book
or even better yet they just told the guy to wait for the checkered flag before he starts the race
Proud Christian
add p2p already!
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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
31
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:24:00 -
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NINEinch WEAPON wrote:Maybe CCP need to put an independent server in everyones back yard...that would make it fair yeah...
Welcome to LOI NINEinch WEAPON!
I don't think this would be necessary. Maybe just regional servers. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
9
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Posted - 2014.03.05 02:27:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I was looking at how an SSD works compared to a regular hard drive and realized that there is no fix for this (not that this is a problem).
Regardless of the spawn timer, the SSD will allow people to spawn in sooner because their game will load faster. The more recent games use the hard drive as additional temp storage along with the RAM. Being able to read from the drive quicker (the way an SSD allows) makes everything run a lot smoother. Especially since this game runs purely off the hard drive.
I hope im not talking out of my a$$ here, but thats how I understand it. the fix is to delay the game so that all players can finish loading then the ability to spawn comes in
regardless of the delay, those with the better equipment will still load everything else faster. If we wait for everyone to load, the match will never start as some people quit while the match is loading
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
31
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:23:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I was looking at how an SSD works compared to a regular hard drive and realized that there is no fix for this (not that this is a problem).
Regardless of the spawn timer, the SSD will allow people to spawn in sooner because their game will load faster. The more recent games use the hard drive as additional temp storage along with the RAM. Being able to read from the drive quicker (the way an SSD allows) makes everything run a lot smoother. Especially since this game runs purely off the hard drive.
I hope im not talking out of my a$$ here, but thats how I understand it. the fix is to delay the game so that all players can finish loading then the ability to spawn comes in regardless of the delay, those with the better equipment will still load everything else faster. If we wait for everyone to load, the match will never start as some people quit while the match is loading
That's why you don't "wait for everyone to load", you create a 15 second spawn delay. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
9
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:48:00 -
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You obviously don't understand the fundamentals of a Solid State Drive and it is pointless to debate this any further.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1917
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Posted - 2014.03.06 05:25:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:Blackcell SAH wrote:I will try to make this as professional and coherent as possible. Please be patient, because it aggravates the living hell out of and I've complained about it(privately) for awhile now.
During PC matches, we have enemy players with dropships midfield before half of our own team even loads into the game. This can only be attributed to a high-speed internet connection and solid state HD and provides an unfair advantage to these players.
CCP, this is what you need to do to fix the issue. If anything, in PC matches to start. Program a 15 second game delay for all players. Other mainstream games do it...I have faith you can, too. This will allow all systems to load the needed data and it will level the playing field for both teams. It is absolutely ridiculous that one force can have troops at a mid-field objective before 15 of the opposing players even see the initial deployment screen. Dude this is not counter strike. Most of the times it does not matter who is first at a certain objective. It matters how well organized the group is when they approach it. The enemy is faster? WHO CARES! Have a good intel and fight them away. Those seconds do not matter. Preparation does.
Because, getting to the Obby's is what matters.
Hcking the obby before the enemy can lets you Spawn there after they kill you, making hacking a obby without guys next to you blapping the spawnee nigh impossible.
Kill,Start Hacking, Spawn, Kill (or die), Restart hacking, Spawn...
Those seconds matter.
All Plans fail to survive first contact.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun
28
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Posted - 2014.03.08 00:20:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:You obviously don't understand the fundamentals of a Solid State Drive and it is pointless to debate this any further.
the fundamentals of a solid state hard drive wouldn't mean **** if the server made everyone wait a short time before they can spawn, regardless of whether they had the match loaded |
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
10
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:31:00 -
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Well then. I'll wait for the day that CCP actually can pull off going into the OS and slow down my hard drive. Until they can legally do that, I will continue enjoying my new hard drive.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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Vag Eye Lenol
Council of Planetary Management
48
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:58:00 -
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Additionally, the time to play time is already pretty long, imo. From boot to shoot but really you should be grateful that you don't even have to sit in the warbarge anymore. That in itself was a great change that was made.
Is there a specific game mode that you find this more problematic? |
Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
33
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Posted - 2014.03.08 02:01:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:Well then. I'll wait for the day that CCP actually can pull off going into the OS and slow down my hard drive. Until they can legally do that, I will continue enjoying my new hard drive.
What the **** are you talking about?
I don't think you really understand how SSD's work and why they perform better. I also feel you failed to read the entire thread to develop a proper argument, leading non-sense you've contributed...thus wasting space on CCP's forum database.
Let me break the mechanics down barney style, special for you SgtMajSquish MLBJ. Then maybe you will be back up to speed with the premise of this argument.
Hard drives have spinning magnetic platter in which data is written. To read this data, a read/write head will moveit can reach from the inside of the platter to the outside. Imagine a doughnut SgtMajSquish MLBJ. From the center the bottom is the distant we need to be able to span. This is done with the read/write arm.
Next, the platter spins since this read/write head on a read/write arm can't move to any point at will on the platter. A drive controller will coordinate the data stream request and move the head to the proper sector on the platter to read data. When drives are fragmented it may need to jump to multiple spots to read the entire request. Keep that part in mind. It's important SgtMajSquish MLBJ. A seek time is where the read/write arm positions the read/write heads to the spot it needs to be and can take around 12 milliseconds. Then there is rotational latency where the up/down position is found but the sector needed is not under the head. This can take 5 milliseconds. The read time is how fast the drive spins the sector under the read/write head and is negligible compared to the previous times.
Now that may not take long if the entire data request is laid out in sequential order, which is probably not likely. So for every jump you are adding 10-20 milliseconds to read. Here, some pictures from a class I took a couple years ago may help you understand SgtMajSquish MLBJ. http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/5ewqf.png
Now, an SSD doesn't have a rotating platter. It pulls the data state(1/0) straight from circuitry. So you the seeking speed is negligible. There are other factors but this post is already getting too long.
So, the original argument, I am bringing back to light is the seconds gained by an SSD. I have an SSD now and after playing on both sides of the fence, I can tell you it is unfair when you have a 4-6 second jump on spawning into the game before most do.
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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
33
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Posted - 2014.03.08 02:03:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:Additionally, the time to play time is already pretty long, imo. From boot to shoot but really you should be grateful that you don't even have to sit in the warbarge anymore. That in itself was a great change that was made.
Is there a specific game mode that you find this more problematic?
Finally a argument with thought placed in it. Thank you.
Yes, PC's are critical in the beginning moments. There's a previous thread where we talk about an SSD squad of mercs setting up shop(and spawners) to killbox the other team. |
Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
59
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Posted - 2014.03.08 02:18:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:Well then. I'll wait for the day that CCP actually can pull off going into the OS and slow down my hard drive. Until they can legally do that, I will continue enjoying my new hard drive.
Slowing the drive is unnecessary. Instead, people are proposing a cooling period between the match loading and being able to call down RDVs and/or leave the veil. This, in theory, prevents one side loading in faster and gaining the unfair advantage of an early deployment.
Purifier. First Class.
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Vag Eye Lenol
Council of Planetary Management
48
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Posted - 2014.03.08 02:19:00 -
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Blackcell SAH wrote:Vag Eye Lenol wrote:Additionally, the time to play time is already pretty long, imo. From boot to shoot but really you should be grateful that you don't even have to sit in the warbarge anymore. That in itself was a great change that was made.
Is there a specific game mode that you find this more problematic? Finally a argument with thought placed in it. Thank you. Yes, PC's are critical in the beginning moments. There's a previous thread where we talk about an SSD squad of mercs setting up shop(and spawners) to killbox the other team at the beginning. The people saying it's all about tactics are missing the point that there is a small disadvantage. A battle should be the wits, skill and coordination of a team against another. When you killbox the team from the beginning this model is lost.
Well there shouldn't be a "killbox" at all in this game. Unfortunately the spawning still needs some tweaks as mentioned in many other threads. But even then the SSD vs a button masher to spawn in would be maybe a second difference in the team game. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1521
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:54:00 -
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I'd say to have a mini loading screen to actually load every asset before attempting to spawn everyone in.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
10
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:16:00 -
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Thanks for the lesson in hard drives. The issue that people are having with spawning is that on the standard hard drive i could count to 5 before i spawned after the timer stated 0seconds. This has been removed since i swapped the hard drive. There was always a couple seconds of lag whenever the initial wave of vehicle were spawned in. That also is now gone due to the SSD. IMO I suggest everyone who is serious about this game to swap over as it is one of the easiest things to do in the world.
Now this spawn jump only works when you have a squad behind you. Many times in domination I have gotten to the objective and been forced out due to the fact that the rest of the team is still 30 seconds out.
The load speed of Dust with an SSD cannot be fixed. It can be reduced from the boost that it is now, but as long as games are using vRAM the SSD will always be superior.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
10
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:06:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:Additionally, the time to play time is already pretty long, imo. From boot to shoot but really you should be grateful that you don't even have to sit in the warbarge anymore. That in itself was a great change that was made.
Is there a specific game mode that you find this more problematic?
I don't see the removal of the warbarge as a good thing. It just leads to more unorganized battles. At least with the warbarge people had a chance to squad up, now it's a free for all if you don't join the battle in a squad. But this is a discussion for another thread.
NERF NERF NERF BUFF BUFF BUFF
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Blackcell SAH
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
34
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Posted - 2014.03.08 23:42:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ,
Sorry if you weren't directing that comment to me. I thought you were trying to tell me I didn't understand how SSDs work. |
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DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
46
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Posted - 2014.03.16 19:47:00 -
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In the meantime you can temporarily fix it yourself!
PUT IN AN SSD AND MAKE SURE YOUR SSD IS FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSES :D
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
264
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Posted - 2014.03.17 13:33:00 -
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dude, you people who cry about needing a fancy hard drive
just get an ISP that doesn't suck
bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you
bamboo x (Ion or Scrambler Pistol) you
bamboo x (Forge Gun) you
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1721
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:04:00 -
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I have an SSD now (mostly because a lot of nasty bugs are easier to deal with or don't occur with SSDs). I agree. Basically what needs to happen, is the match needs a countdown-to-start timer IN THE GAME. Everyone should load in, and the game should keep everyone frozen in place until an exact time.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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