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NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:34:00 - [1] - Quote And what can the cal scout scan at level 5 that he cant scan at 0 or 1? And what can gallente hide from with the bonus? 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 881	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:37:00 - [2] - Quote I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:38:00 - [3] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 A need a one in clear english please. And what would it take for a caldari to avoid a gallente bonus focused scanner 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 883	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:41:00 - [4] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 A need a one in clear english please. And what would it take for a caldari to avoid a gallente bonus focused scanner -_-;; I hereby revoke your scout license if you are unable to comprehend that table.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:42:00 - [5] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 A need a one in clear english please. And what would it take for a caldari to avoid a gallente bonus focused scanner -_-;; I hereby revoke your scout license if you are unable to comprehend that table. Sorry im not used to reading that And I'll still scout after. I kinda understand the table but I need to be aure 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 883	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:43:00 - [6] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 A need a one in clear english please. And what would it take for a caldari to avoid a gallente bonus focused scanner -_-;; I hereby revoke your scout license if you are unable to comprehend that table. Sorry im not used to reading that And I'll still scout after. I will give you one hint: 1b = 1 basic dampener, 1e = 1 enhanced dampener, 1c = 1 complex dampener.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11157	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:46:00 - [7] - Quote Proto Gallente scout only needs one enhanced dampener to dodge all scanners? That is....******* hot.... Oh that's cloaked. Still, complex and enhanced to dodge all scanners is nice Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:46:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: NK Scout wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 A need a one in clear english please. And what would it take for a caldari to avoid a gallente bonus focused scanner -_-;; I hereby revoke your scout license if you are unable to comprehend that table. Sorry im not used to reading that And I'll still scout after. I will give you one hint: 1b = 1 basic dampener, 1e = 1 enhanced dampener, 1c = 1 complex dampener. I know but I want a clearer table because I may have misread some parts, and wow a cal scout with 2 c damps cant avoid focused without cloak unless not usingna galogi 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1113	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:52:00 - [9] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread feedback section of the forums, top of the page
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:54:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread feedback section of the forums, top of the page Not the bonuses, the bonuses effect at 5, but I think I found the numbers 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 969	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:54:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1113	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:06:00 - [12] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread feedback section of the forums, top of the page Not the bonuses, the bonuses effect at 5, but I think I found the numbers its written in plain english.. just multiply by 5 math is hard
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:08:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) scan precision? 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) I would only use 1 on my sneaky fit. 3 complex shields 1 enhancer Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Cruxio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 12	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:41:00 - [14] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Also even if you were adding your percentages together, your second part seems off (or I'm off) I got 54.4 compared to your 53.2 20+17.4+11.4+5.6 So... what did I goof on?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1113	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:46:00 - [15] - Quote Cruxio wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Also even if you were adding your percentages together, your second part seems off (or I'm off) I got 54.4 compared to your 53.2 20+17.4+11.4+5.6 So... what did I goof on? its (suit bonus 1) * (skill bonus 1) * (module bonus 1) * (DR module bonus 2) * ( DR module bonus 3) etc etc each module is calculated seperatly and stacks with previous modules but suffers from diminishing returns (stacking penalty DR) for every module past the 2nd. you never add together
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6888	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:58:00 - [16] - Quote Cruxio wrote: Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Well, in high school algebra maybe. But Eve Online and Dust 514 (both developed by CCP) operate under the following principle... 1. Skill Book percentages per level are added before being applied. Example: Minmatar Scout Dropsuit Operation (5% NK damage per level) at level 5 = 25% total. 2. Modules don't add their percentages together before being applied. Example: First Basic Sidearm Damage Mod (3%) is multiplied against the base before applying the second damage mod, then the third, fourth, etc. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:17:00 - [17] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Cruxio wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Also even if you were adding your percentages together, your second part seems off (or I'm off) I got 54.4 compared to your 53.2 20+17.4+11.4+5.6 So... what did I goof on? its (suit bonus 1) * (skill bonus 1) * (module bonus 1) * (DR module bonus 2) * ( DR module bonus 3) etc etc each module is calculated seperatly and stacks with previous modules but suffers from diminishing returns (stacking penalty DR) for every module past the 2nd. you never add together You are all terrible at math. A Caldari with four complex precision enhancers would have a scan precision of 16.78 dB. The following equation demonstrates how this number is arrived at: Profile dampening skill is calculated thusly: 1 + .2 GÇó Lv = x 45x(1 - .25) GÇó (1 - .2) GÇó (1 - (.869 GÇó .2)) GÇó (1 - (.571 GÇó .2)) GÇó (1 - (.283 GÇó .2)) = 16.78 {:)}{3GÇó>
Cruxio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 12	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:19:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: 1. Skill Book percentages per level are added before being applied. Example: Minmatar Scout Dropsuit Operation (5% NK damage per level) at level 5 = 25% total. This I knew, but what about two different skill books multiplying the same skill? I thought they were multiplied Maken Tosch wrote: 2. Modules don't add their percentages together before being applied. Example: First Basic Sidearm Damage Mod (3%) is multiplied against the base before applying the second damage mod, then the third, fourth, etc. This is what I thought it was, which I thought contradicted what vulpes had (or I read it wrong) Ghosts Chance wrote: its (suit bonus 1) * (skill bonus 1) * (module bonus 1) * (DR module bonus 2) * ( DR module bonus 3) etc etc each module is calculated seperatly and stacks with previous modules but suffers from diminishing returns (stacking penalty DR) for every module past the 2nd. you never add together This is how I thought it operated, but it contradicts the earlier poster who added the precision skill and the caldari precision skill together to get 35%, which is why I was confused. That being the case the number should look like / be calculated like this then 45(.9)(.75)=30.375 base skill 30.375(.8)(.826)(.886)(.944)=16.78, which means the chart is correct, I did think it was this way initially, my confidence was just shaken from seeing the other post.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 668	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:20:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Cruxio wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Also even if you were adding your percentages together, your second part seems off (or I'm off) I got 54.4 compared to your 53.2 20+17.4+11.4+5.6 So... what did I goof on? its (suit bonus 1) * (skill bonus 1) * (module bonus 1) * (DR module bonus 2) * ( DR module bonus 3) etc etc each module is calculated seperatly and stacks with previous modules but suffers from diminishing returns (stacking penalty DR) for every module past the 2nd. you never add together Ghost is correct. Here's the formula 450.90.750.8(1-(0.20.869))(1-(0.20.571))(1-(0.2*0.283)). That's Caldari scanning with all complex precision enhancers. Sub in adv or basic if you need to. I'll do the math for you. No enhancers:30.375. 1 complex enhancer: 24.3. 2 mods: 20.076. 3 mods: 17.3839. 4 mods: 16.7773. Gal can dampen to 23.625Db with just skills. With 4 complex dampeners 11.483. 1 complex and 1 enhanced dampener gets to 14.6392, enough to get below any scanner except the focused from a Gal Logi.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1115	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:21:00 - [20] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Cruxio wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I forget who made this spreadsheet- it wasn't me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFhORUVidFFTOEhpUG0xOVRUb0pkakE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 Cal scouts can get well below 15dB. Gëê13.7, actually. 45-(45.35) = 29.25dB (skills alone) 29.25-(29.25.532) = 13.7 (4 cplx precision mods) Stacking penalty formula taken from here. To my knowledge, the stacking penalty is the same in Eve. Interesting, so your actually adding your %'s together? I was always told otherwise Also even if you were adding your percentages together, your second part seems off (or I'm off) I got 54.4 compared to your 53.2 20+17.4+11.4+5.6 So... what did I goof on? its (suit bonus 1) * (skill bonus 1) * (module bonus 1) * (DR module bonus 2) * ( DR module bonus 3) etc etc each module is calculated seperatly and stacks with previous modules but suffers from diminishing returns (stacking penalty DR) for every module past the 2nd. you never add together You are all terrible at math. A Caldari with four complex precision enhancers would have a scan precision of 16.78 dB. The following equation demonstrates how this number is arrived at: Profile dampening skill is calculated thusly: 1 + .2 GÇó Lv = x 45x(1 - .25) GÇó (1 - .2) GÇó (1 - (.869 GÇó .2)) GÇó (1 - (.571 GÇó .2)) GÇó (1 - (.283 GÇó .2)) = 16.78 lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc Don't know what you're talking about. My comment wasn't directed at you, which should have been obvious by the math involved. Also, it was a demonstration of how the math is arrived at, not trying to ease the burden trying to teach. The equation I posted was very accurate. If you want accurate results you'll follow my math. {:)}{3GÇó>
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1115	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:40:00 - [22] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc Don't know what you're talking about. My comment wasn't directed at you, which should have been obvious by the math involved. Also, it was a demonstration of how the math is arrived at, not trying to ease the burden trying to teach. The equation I posted was very acurate. If you want acurat results you'll follow my math. you were missing the precision enhancement skill bonus :P
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:43:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc Don't know what you're talking about. My comment wasn't directed at you, which should have been obvious by the math involved. Also, it was a demonstration of how the math is arrived at, not trying to ease the burden trying to teach. The equation I posted was very acurate. If you want acurat results you'll follow my math. you were missing the precision enhancement skill bonus :P No im not. Is = x. {:)}{3GÇó>
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1115	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:44:00 - [24] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc Don't know what you're talking about. My comment wasn't directed at you, which should have been obvious by the math involved. Also, it was a demonstration of how the math is arrived at, not trying to ease the burden trying to teach. The equation I posted was very acurate. If you want acurat results you'll follow my math. you were missing the precision enhancement skill bonus :P No im not. Is = x. i missed that :P
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1260	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:46:00 - [25] - Quote Gah! These maths is burnin' my eyes! Since you are all adding up bonuses from modules, I'll ask this here GÇö looking at the info below, with the vehicle core skill for module cooldown, am I right in just taking 25% for lvl 5 and multiplying that by the base cooldown (60) to get the proper amount of reduced cooldown? Complex vehicle shield hardener: 60sec cooldown and 24sec active. That would be 60sec being reduced to 45sec an 24 being increased to 30? Don't give me those weird symbols. I'm not a math nerd; I'm an artist. Equations hurt my eyes. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:46:00 - [26] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lol calling me terrible at math.... then you proceed to use the exact same math but with numbers instead of words also simplify if your going to try to be all specific, 1-.25 is the exact same as .75, 1-.2 =.8, etc etc etc Don't know what you're talking about. My comment wasn't directed at you, which should have been obvious by the math involved. Also, it was a demonstration of how the math is arrived at, not trying to ease the burden trying to teach. The equation I posted was very acurate. If you want acurat results you'll follow my math. you were missing the precision enhancement skill bonus :P No im not. Is = x. i missed that :P Had to edit it once. Used a + instead of a -. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:50:00 - [27] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Gah! These maths is burnin' my eyes! Since you are all adding up bonuses from modules, I'll ask this here GÇö looking at the info below, with the vehicle core skill for module cooldown, am I right in just taking 25% for lvl 5 and multiplying that by the base cooldown (60) to get the proper amount of reduced cooldown? Complex vehicle shield hardener: 60sec cooldown and 24sec active. That would be 60sec being reduced to 45sec an 24 being increased to 30? I don't have the vehicle skills memorized, but it sounds like you're on the right track to me. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:02:00 - [28] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i missed that :P Had to edit it once. Used a + instead of a -. Oops just found another clarical error, called it profile dampening instead of precision enhancement. Fixed. {:)}{3GÇó>


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