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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6887	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:27:00 - [31] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without a basic damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6887	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:32:00 - [32] - Quote For the record, I can wear the proto suit, but I refuse to wear due to the cost. The Scout M-1 does just fine. PS: It's late at night right now and I'm feeling a bit sleepy. Please forgive me if my posts are a little... off. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 213	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:09:00 - [33] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without complex damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). EDIT: Damn it, I need to proof-read more often. Don't need to bro! Musturd checked it in PC,
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 213	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:18:00 - [34] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: For the record, I can wear the proto suit, but I refuse to wear due to the cost. The Scout M-1 does just fine. PS: It's late at night right now and I'm feeling a bit sleepy. Please forgive me if my posts are a little... off. You still get the 25% bonus for the suit an 15 for proficiency
Oswald Rehnquist 1257	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:43:00 - [35] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without complex damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). EDIT: Damn it, I need to proof-read more often. Don't need to bro! Musturd checked it in PC, I don't even know where I heard this but I remember something like a hidden 120% bonus to both armor and shields which might account for the confusion here. Below 28 dB
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 668	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:47:00 - [36] - Quote Kin cats are a must and so is 1 dampener. You might be able to get by with some precision enhancers in the highs instead of shield extenders. Those have pretty sensible PG/CPU requirements. It's always nice to see people coming. 2 complex precision enhancers should allow you to see any medium or heavy running even dual complex dampeners depending on rounding out to 30m. It's definitely glass cannon but you could kill efficiently.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 860	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:55:00 - [37] - Quote Personally I have no need of Kin Cats. Greens are much more useful to me "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 237	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:29:00 - [38] - Quote I don't knife, but if I did, I'd be crying about this too. It's not like a PG reduction would make knives OP would it? Even if proto-knives got AdV CPU/pg costs, I still don't think they would be OP or anything. This is because they are knives- who gets killed by a knife and thinks 'damn, I hope they don't get a buff anytime soon, Nyain San will be spamming that ****'? You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 668	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:49:00 - [39] - Quote Well I've done the math with the new PG/CPU and pretty much all skills at lvl 5 (Core Upgrades, Electronics, Engineering, Light weapon operation, Sidearm operation, CR optimization, Explosives etc). Here's my best build: Lows-2 Pro Kin Cats & 1 Pro dampener. Highs-2 Pro Precision Enhancers & 1 Pro Shield Extender. Equipment-Adv cloak & no secondary. Light weapon-Adv CR (or Pro specialist faction CR). Sidearm-Pro Knives Grenade-Core Locust. A little glass cannon but deadly. You're struggling for PG but slip by. Conversely if you trade 1 Kin Cat for a Pro Cardiac Regulator you could change it up. You then could trade a precsion enhancer for a sidearm dmg mod or add a secondary equipment like Pro remotes, injector, repair tool. Or trade a Kin Cat for Reg plus use Adv grenade and you could add in a second shield extender rather than the enhancer. I think the Minja well be OK.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 216	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:45:00 - [40] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Well I've done the math with the new PG/CPU and pretty much all skills at lvl 5 (Core Upgrades, Electronics, Engineering, Light weapon operation, Sidearm operation, CR optimization, Explosives etc). Here's my best build: Lows-2 Pro Kin Cats & 1 Pro dampener. Highs-1 Pro Precision Enhancer & 2 Pro Shield Extenders. Equipment-Adv cloak & no secondary. Light weapon-Adv CR (or Pro specialist faction CR). Sidearm-Pro Knives Grenade-Core Locust. A little glass cannon but deadly. You're struggling for PG but slip by. Conversely if you trade 1 Extender for a Precision Enhancer you could add a nice secondary equipment or a better CR. Or you could add a Dmg mod in place of the Extender. I think the Minja will be OK. Ya it ll be fine but no skill is still stupid when your makin a fit an over by 1, any assault can max a light an a side arm optimization , an the suit that runs a bonus with this sidearm cannot it's just down right lame.

Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 181	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:56:00 - [41] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: First off, the problem is that minmitar scouts have the most abysmal fittings in the game, so that they don't have any synergy with nova knives, as they should. I don't even use nova knives anymore due to the cost, and settle for a shotgun instead, unless i really want to embarrass someone. The fittings just don't work, as you have to use kin cats to stay effective. I assume that you are not trolling, but rather are posting in a misinformed manner, without appreciating the full scope of the situation. Finally a real scout speaks with intelligence an a understanding of sarcasm. Thank you good merc I am proud to have you in my thread, it almost got tainted by a whole lot of people that had no idea what I ment. The fitting cost and lack of a nessacary skill in the tree horribly affects the suit and it's purpose and has waited too long for a hotfix I think that if the PG fittings were reduced to flay lock level, it would be exponentially more viable. Currently, a core flay lock is easier to fit than ADV knives on a minmitar scout, which simply does not make logical sense. If minmitar have low PG and normal CPU, nova knives should cost low PG and normal CPU. That makes the synergy function far better than it currently does Wonders why Caldari tech is being compared to Matari tech Your argument is invalid. Edit: Your also comparing a lower tech small missile launcher to a high tech knife that involves a lot of science. (PS3 unavailable so couldn't get description) *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 216	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:10:00 - [42] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: First off, the problem is that minmitar scouts have the most abysmal fittings in the game, so that they don't have any synergy with nova knives, as they should. I don't even use nova knives anymore due to the cost, and settle for a shotgun instead, unless i really want to embarrass someone. The fittings just don't work, as you have to use kin cats to stay effective. I assume that you are not trolling, but rather are posting in a misinformed manner, without appreciating the full scope of the situation. Finally a real scout speaks with intelligence an a understanding of sarcasm. Thank you good merc I am proud to have you in my thread, it almost got tainted by a whole lot of people that had no idea what I ment. The fitting cost and lack of a nessacary skill in the tree horribly affects the suit and it's purpose and has waited too long for a hotfix I think that if the PG fittings were reduced to flay lock level, it would be exponentially more viable. Currently, a core flay lock is easier to fit than ADV knives on a minmitar scout, which simply does not make logical sense. If minmitar have low PG and normal CPU, nova knives should cost low PG and normal CPU. That makes the synergy function far better than it currently does Wonders why Caldari tech is being compared to Matari tech Your argument is invalid. Edit: Your also comparing a lower tech small missile launcher to a high tech knife that involves a lot of science. (PS3 unavailable so couldn't get description) Argument invalid?????? IT'S THE ONLY WEAPON IN THE GAME MISSING A SKILL! What's not to get?! You don't think knives deserve the skill because there knives or because there caldari knifes? Either way it's missing a skill plain and simple! Edit: that's like saying your gallente LOGI doesn't get a rail rifle optimization skill
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 384	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:19:00 - [43] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without complex damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). EDIT: Damn it, I need to proof-read more often. tosh your wrong prof 5 with proto knives will do 1428damage with a full charge when both knives hit. i have tested this, the math doesnt add up but those are the numbers that happen trust me
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 217	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:21:00 - [44] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without complex damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). EDIT: Damn it, I need to proof-read more often. tosh your wrong prof 5 with proto knives will do 1428damage with a full charge when both knives hit. i have tested this, the math doesnt add up but those are the numbers that happen trust me Thank you
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6891	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:03:00 - [45] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ya I kno they haven't been cruel mackintosh , the thread title is a joke and why are you running damage mod don't you have a proto min an proficiency 5 yet? 1428 damage bro get them skillz up Run your math again, bro. You can't get 1,428 HP damage without complex damage mod even with NK Proficiency to level 5 and Minmatar Scout Dropsuit to level 5 (which I already have). EDIT: Damn it, I need to proof-read more often. tosh your wrong prof 5 with proto knives will do 1428damage with a full charge when both knives hit. i have tested this, the math doesnt add up but those are the numbers that happen trust me Sigh... Let me guess... Some magical extra damage going on here I can't see in the math? Better not be any ponies behind this. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 666	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:10:00 - [46] - Quote It's a charge knife... so of course it needs CPU/PG cost I will agree that it is much to hard to fit a good Minja scout We get 2 lows with a crappy fitting limit so that means 1 low is usually a CPU upgrade Leaving us with one slot to buff our speed/armour/dampening.... Thats really smart, make a scout without the ability to dampen or speed tank Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6891	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:11:00 - [47] - Quote Overall, I don't think it would hurt to include an optimization skill for the knives. It does seem odd that they don't have one but other weapons do. Let's just wait and see what CCP will put into the patch notes for 1.8. Even then CCP often sneaks in changes that aren't apparent in the patch notes. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6893	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:05:00 - [48] - Quote Source: http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/356632 Here are the stats for the knives in its entirety. Apparently the knives have a "magazine size" of 10? "Max Ammo Count" of 100? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 880	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:08:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: So you want to use nova knives? You want to be a minja an have a 25% nova knife bonus? Ok here you go enjoy............ Wait.... We regret to inform you that your suit is highly reliable on PG even though to knife properly your kincats are going to eat your pg and so are your shields... And thennnnnnnnmnNnnnn..... We're gonna let you skill your proto knives with a obscene fitting cost of something like 48/8, only for you to realize....... IT'S THE ONLY WEAPON WITH NO FITTING OPTIMIZATION SKILL! So yes we gave you a suit bonus to a weapon that totally screws up how you fit your entire suit and destroys your suits maximum potential! Sincerely all of us at CCP=ƒæì Common hahaha really dudes it's been a year hook us up and fire the guy that forgot this! And...... you can fit NK on a Min Scout easily. Did I even mention the ScR has the most obscene fitting costs of the four rifles? Do I ***** as a result? No. So HTFU and Stfu Who wants some?
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 218	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:07:00 - [50] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: So you want to use nova knives? You want to be a minja an have a 25% nova knife bonus? Ok here you go enjoy............ Wait.... We regret to inform you that your suit is highly reliable on PG even though to knife properly your kincats are going to eat your pg and so are your shields... And thennnnnnnnmnNnnnn..... We're gonna let you skill your proto knives with a obscene fitting cost of something like 48/8, only for you to realize....... IT'S THE ONLY WEAPON WITH NO FITTING OPTIMIZATION SKILL! So yes we gave you a suit bonus to a weapon that totally screws up how you fit your entire suit and destroys your suits maximum potential! Sincerely all of us at CCP=ƒæì Common hahaha really dudes it's been a year hook us up and fire the guy that forgot this! And...... you can fit NK on a Min Scout easily. Did I even mention the ScR has the most obscene fitting costs of the four rifles? Do I ***** as a result? No. So HTFU and Stfu Uuummmmm, it doesn't have a skill that every other weapon has( fitting optimization) what makes it so hard to understand that this needs a fix?



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