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Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 752	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:31:00 - [1] - Quote So my fellow python pilots, I have a question for all of you. How many of you fit turrets? It is my belief that the proper way to fit a python is with turrets and gunners, though I have talked to other pilots and they disagree with me. I fit all active mods so my tank is pretty low, but the fire power of a python with gunners is a force to be reckoned with. I believe that coming in on a position and hitting all the targets you can is more valuable than a buffer tank. Its true that flying with an active tank is more sketchy and requires agood management of your mods and cool down, but the fire power and troop carrying abilities make up for the lost tank. My fit Complex shield hardener Complex booster Basic afterburner Complex pg extender 3 xt missile launchers The python follows the caldari philosophy of hit and run, come in lay down the fire and leave. The bonus to missiles gives the python the ability to spit out missiles fast, a pilot gun is good but having dedicated gunners adds on two more that can shoot a lot better than the pilot and cover a wider arch without the dropship rotating. This also gives the python room to carry a total of 4 troops. When an operation requires more than one or two infantry you have the option to deploy three or four. My favorite dropship tactic is to get a speed hacker in my ship and control the outer points with the pythons speed and fire power combined with the quick hacking. Sometimes on smaller 4 point maps the hacker will need a team to safely complete the mission and get back to the dropship, if that is the case two infantry can a company him to the point and the fourth can stay in the gun to provide cover. Strafe runs are much more effective and destroying tanks at the edge of the redline becomes possible. Gunners can watch your blind spots for you and occasionally take forge and rail hits for you. In my mind having gunners and turrets in your dropship is much more valuable than fitting a buffer tank. What do you other pilots think about this?
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 35	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote isnt that the minmatar philospgy? i thought caldari thought from miles away>
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 591	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:33:00 - [3] - Quote just curious what is the total ehp of your dropship? Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote terrible fit is terrible enjoy getting 1 or 2 shotted 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4077	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote I have 2 different types of fits with my ADSes- one for soloing, one for gunners. I have to drop a tier with the extra turrets, but it's more effective that way. I am your scan error.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1243	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote Well, ppl bitched about blueberries hopping on the turrets so the turrets got nerfed and cost too much pg/cpu now in addition to gunners not really being able to hit anything most of the time and the tank not being able to withstand rail hits as is. SoGÇª question is now moot. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 752	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote NK Scout wrote: terrible fit is terrible enjoy getting 1 or 2 shotted I'm sure it seems terrible to pilots that don't fly with gunners. The way I fly and the skill of my gunners makes it good, thuIs fit isn't for the average pilot and gunner crew. It is true I can be one or two shotteded but my gunners can alert me threats in my blind spots giving me the advantage. Out of curiosity what is your fit?
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 414	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:34:00 - [8] - Quote I have a dual xt-1 fits with 2800 shields and after burners And a really good triple at-1 fit. They go ham in spambush. -Luck is just one of my skills Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3033	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:37:00 - [9] - Quote I haven't had much luck fitting a shield booster since it doesn't do much good when I'm already falling out of the sky. I don't usually run with a squad so I just fit for shield buffer and run away at the first sign of trouble to evaluate the situation. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 752	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:45:00 - [10] - Quote @ cmdr Wolfe, the hit and run philosophy is both caldari and minmatar as they use shields, yes minmatar more so but equally for the caldari. While the caldari fight at range with rail guns they also fight up close with missiles. Shields are hit and run if your brawling, you can't stand and reliever like with armor. The caldari dropship is very hit and run, that's how I play it with my fit, if I need to get out I can, if I'm going into a hot spot I can for a limited time, with more turrets I can use my hardener time more efficiently. I mostly rely on my shield regen and the pythons agility. @ vitharr foebane, I'll have to get on and check, I don't have anything to buff my tank so my HP un hardened is the base python stats, 1500 ish shields and 960 armor and I have one complex hardener.

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 421	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: terrible fit is terrible enjoy getting 1 or 2 shotted I'm sure it seems terrible to pilots that don't fly with gunners. The way I fly and the skill of my gunners makes it good, thuIs fit isn't for the average pilot and gunner crew. It is true I can be one or two shotteded but my gunners can alert me threats in my blind spots giving me the advantage. Out of curiosity what is your fit? Adv heavy extender Complex light boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles Your gunners cant alert you to rails 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:47:00 - [12] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: isnt that the minmatar philospgy? i thought caldari fight from miles away> Well Dust is messed up in terms of Caldari "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 419	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:51:00 - [13] - Quote I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:52:00 - [14] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. And can use a afterburner 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 753	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: terrible fit is terrible enjoy getting 1 or 2 shotted I'm sure it seems terrible to pilots that don't fly with gunners. The way I fly and the skill of my gunners makes it good, thuIs fit isn't for the average pilot and gunner crew. It is true I can be one or two shotteded but my gunners can alert me threats in my blind spots giving me the advantage. Out of curiosity what is your fit? Adv heavy extender Complex light boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles Your gunners cant alert you to rails So there are a few differences in our fits, you fit more of a tank with the extender but sacrafise mobility and fire power. That sounds like it fits with your play style which is perfectly fine, to each their own. But how many at missiles do you fit? 3? 2? Actually my gunners can alert me to rails, they do it all the time. "Numnutz we got a vehicle getting called down in the red possible rail tank" "numnutz rail tank 4 o'clock evade evade!" Etc for some reason infantry and tanks render much better for gunners than for the pilot, plus they can look to the side of the dropship. Also equipment renders much much better for pilots for some reason.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:58:00 - [16] - Quote enemy called in rail when you called your ship boom i dont have xt missiles no gunner because lol mines alot cheaper your fit is crap, an AB on a python? LOLOL 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 162	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote With the right mentality, gunners are going to wreck face. Especially AT and XT. But itt must be your expertise and you will have to practice with a consistent crew to benefit. I run aerial recon for my tankers, assist with anti armour kills ( even get my own from time to time), and bust down enemy fortifications (nano and link clusters). A gunner in my vessel would be doing more damage on the ground. If team size was bigger I would love to have one for my fights against forge. But in my current role, one body can fill enough roles. However, Pvt has a fun fit, and I will try it out. Adv heavy extender Adv turbo boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles FAME
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 755	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:02:00 - [19] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: With the right mentality, gunners are going to wreck face. Especially AT and XT. But itt must be your expertise and you will have to practice with a consistent crew to benefit. I run aerial recon for my tankers, assist with anti armour kills ( even get my own from time to time), and bust down enemy fortifications (nano and link clusters). A gunner in my vessel would be doing more damage on the ground. If team size was bigger I would love to have one for my fights against forge. But in my current role, one body can fill enough roles. However, Pvt has a fun fit, and I will try it out. Adv heavy extender Adv turbo boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles replace AB for booster, or else never live 20 second depleted delay is lol and a AB on a python is stupid, i tried it, forges wrech you 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying. incubus is faster and can fit a AB, a python cannot 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 162	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:07:00 - [21] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: With the right mentality, gunners are going to wreck face. Especially AT and XT. But itt must be your expertise and you will have to practice with a consistent crew to benefit. I run aerial recon for my tankers, assist with anti armour kills ( even get my own from time to time), and bust down enemy fortifications (nano and link clusters). A gunner in my vessel would be doing more damage on the ground. If team size was bigger I would love to have one for my fights against forge. But in my current role, one body can fill enough roles. However, Pvt has a fun fit, and I will try it out. Adv heavy extender Adv turbo boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles replace AB for booster, or else never live 20 second depleted delay is lol and a AB on a python is stupid, i tried it, forges wrech you I do just fine with this fit. I am a demon with that speed. I rarely get hit a second time. But I will try the booster again. Da red onzz go fasta bro, and minzz iz allwaz on FAME
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 755	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: With the right mentality, gunners are going to wreck face. Especially AT and XT. But itt must be your expertise and you will have to practice with a consistent crew to benefit. I run aerial recon for my tankers, assist with anti armour kills ( even get my own from time to time), and bust down enemy fortifications (nano and link clusters). A gunner in my vessel would be doing more damage on the ground. If team size was bigger I would love to have one for my fights against forge. But in my current role, one body can fill enough roles. However, Pvt has a fun fit, and I will try it out. Current fit: Adv heavy extender Adv turbo boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles It is all about mentality and play style. My fit requires quite a bit of module management to stay alive and is very sketchy, you have to be on your toes. The great thing about dropships is that gunners can deploy to assist on the ground where the ground troops need them then be across the map to assist other troops. I pride myself on giving gunners the best angles for them to shoot rather than my own skill with the pilot gun because they are entirely focused on killing while I'm focusing flying and staying alert, that's what my fit depends on. One question about your fit, adv turbo boost, you mean afterburner right? Overdrives only work on ground vehicles
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 757	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:21:00 - [23] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying. incubus is faster and can fit a AB, a python cannot The incubus handles and accelerates slower than the python. The python can in fact fit an afterburner, the reason I fit one is so I can evade rail and forge fire and get around the map even faster. I see how you feel about afterburners but you have to understand I fly with very skilled gunners in this fit, I'm usually not around long enough for rails or forge guns to get a bead on me. I fly in, my gunners kill/deploy/get in and I'm gone, that's why I don't need more tank and I pray for the speed I need to do my job. A pilot with no gunners has to float and spin around to get kills, I position the dropship and my gunners kill them. This is why I think a python without gunners is less effective than one without. Can't carry as many troops, cant kill as quickly or effectively, can't respond as fast.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 425	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying. incubus is faster and can fit a AB, a python cannot The incubus handles and accelerates slower than the python. The python can in fact fit an afterburner, the reason I fit one is so I can evade rail and forge fire and get around the map even faster. I see how you feel about afterburners but you have to understand I fly with very skilled gunners in this fit, I'm usually not around long enough for rails or forge guns to get a bead on me. I fly in, my gunners kill/deploy/get in and I'm gone, that's why I don't need more tank and I pray for the speed I need to do my job. A pilot with no gunners has to float and spin around to get kills, I position the dropship and my gunners kill them. This is why I think a python without gunners is less effective than one without. Can't carry as many troops, cant kill as quickly or effectively, can't respond as fast. And I sit and tank and kill the forgers no problem with mods active, and my icubus is faster by default 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 425	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [25] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: NK Scout wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: With the right mentality, gunners are going to wreck face. Especially AT and XT. But itt must be your expertise and you will have to practice with a consistent crew to benefit. I run aerial recon for my tankers, assist with anti armour kills ( even get my own from time to time), and bust down enemy fortifications (nano and link clusters). A gunner in my vessel would be doing more damage on the ground. If team size was bigger I would love to have one for my fights against forge. But in my current role, one body can fill enough roles. However, Pvt has a fun fit, and I will try it out. Adv heavy extender Adv turbo boost Complex hard Complex pg upgrade At missiles replace AB for booster, or else never live 20 second depleted delay is lol and a AB on a python is stupid, i tried it, forges wrech you I do just fine with this fit. I am a demon with that speed. I rarely get hit a second time. But I will try the booster again. Da red onzz go fasta bro, and minzz iz allwaz on You activated booster when around 25% or so shield, so you can get away or tank more 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 757	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:24:00 - [26] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Da red onzz go fasta bro, and minzz iz allwaz on +1 for the 40k reference. Can't wait to get my dropship painted red to go fasta! I've already put on mor dakka!
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 757	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:30:00 - [27] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying. incubus is faster and can fit a AB, a python cannot The incubus handles and accelerates slower than the python. The python can in fact fit an afterburner, the reason I fit one is so I can evade rail and forge fire and get around the map even faster. I see how you feel about afterburners but you have to understand I fly with very skilled gunners in this fit, I'm usually not around long enough for rails or forge guns to get a bead on me. I fly in, my gunners kill/deploy/get in and I'm gone, that's why I don't need more tank and I pray for the speed I need to do my job. A pilot with no gunners has to float and spin around to get kills, I position the dropship and my gunners kill them. This is why I think a python without gunners is less effective than one without. Can't carry as many troops, cant kill as quickly or effectively, can't respond as fast. And I sit and tank and kill the forgers no problem with mods active, and my icubus is faster by default And I kill the forge gun faster because I have both my gunners focusing fire, or one of my gunners gets out and kills him while my other gunner hacks a point in 4 seconds and then we all get out. I still don't know why you think the incubus is faster, but I'll bet a mil isk that in a dragrace my python will win every time.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 401	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:45:00 - [28] - Quote Numnutz, I hear you on gunner fits. I've had much success with the following carrying two competent gunners: Python Basic Shield Hardener (only Basic/Enhanced, because my fitting skills are not maxed yet) Enhanced Shield Hardener Basic Afterburner Enhanced PG Upgrade 3x AT-1 Missiles I run with AT-1 Missiles to keep the cost down, because in a pub-match venue I would rather lose less ISK. An AT-1 is 24k ISK versus the XT-1's 106k ISK: it's a very large jump in cost for what amounts to a ~30 HP direct and splash damage increase! Relevant Skills: I have Caldari ADS 4, Shield Fitting 2, Missile Fitting 2. I run the best Hardeners I can (because Cooldown is very important) and the Afterburner is amazing: it requires skill and some pretty intense reflexes to AB away when getting shot at by a Railgun, but it possible to evade the second shot (though it's hard.) Primarily, the vehicle is fit up to operate like you describe: drop in on an area, unload your missiles and use Hardeners to sustain damage then AB to rapidly move/redeploy. I've not played with a large enough squad to comment on dropping players to different places, but I definitely see the merit: dropships are incredibly valuable when utilised as transports and the Python with guns makes for a very effective transport, combining speed and firepower when dropping mercs. I have, however, had experience playing taxi to give a squad-mate positional advantage (sniper, forge gunner, etc) and a dropship is incredibly useful. As far as solo-flying is concerned, my primary fit is: Python Complex Shield Hardener Complex Shield Hardener Enhanced Afterburner Missile Ammo Capacity (or empty) 1x AT-1 Missile I started to use Afterburners after playing several times alongside Mobius Wyvern, who explained his reasoning. After trying them out repeatedly, I found much merit in the use: speed is much more effective at surviving the insanely high power shots of railguns than an extra ~1000 shields. Railguns will go through your buffer too fast anyway and evading at high speeds will make target acquisition that much harder. A Militia Railgun (1450 HP/shot) with a single damage mod (up to 1885 HP/shot) will do make a Python with a Complex Shield Extender (2873 Shields/960 Armour) will be down to 1177 Shields after the first hit, assuming damage profiles are working correctly (ie, -10% versus Shields.) Assuming you activate your Hardener in time (which is reasonable) the second shot will almost drop your shields and the third would be the killshot: with a single Hardener, you have only thirty seconds (at max Engine Core Cal.) of time to survive in the line of fire. While the Afterburner fit has less buffer and cannot afford to take the first hit before activating Hardener, it has a much greater ability to evade the follow up shots, thus allowing it to recharge it's shields and get actual combat time in under either one or both Hardeners. Two Hardeners activated is, I believe, roughly an 80% damage reduction. This means that when aware of a Railgun's threat, you can activate both Hardeners as you drop on the enemy and reduced even double damage-modded Particle Cannon shots down to doing just over a third of your Shields, instead of doing roughly half damage. The Booster is really the kicker: with good reflexes a pilot will usually be able to kick one module into life after the first Railgun shot lands. If this is your Booster, you have gotten roughly 1100 shields back, but will then get smacked for substantially more than that by the following shot. If your first module is your Hardener, your shields will be incredibly low after the second shot (if not entirely depleted.) The main issue I have, personally, with the Extender/Booster/Hardener set-up is that you must recover from the kinetic impulse effects of AV fire with standard manoeuvrability: while the Python's handling is excellent for Dropships, it is often insufficient when facing such high power shots. If an Afterburner is fitted, instead of worrying about multiple module activations and regaining control under normal power, you have to activate a single module and make like a tree. But, a lot of that is my opinion. I did originally use the Ex/B/H set-up, then I moved to an Ex/H/H set-up, but eventually I have found that the AB/H/H set-up to be superior in general, regardless of gunner presence.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 428	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:50:00 - [29] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: darkiller240 wrote: I still think there UP, Incibis can withstand much more punishment, And it has a higher top speed............. They don't have a higher speed, all dropships have a max speed of 5000 m/s gal or cal don't know where you got that from..... Yes incubi can withstand more punishment but the advantage of the python is in its fire power with gunners, that's what I'm saying. incubus is faster and can fit a AB, a python cannot The incubus handles and accelerates slower than the python. The python can in fact fit an afterburner, the reason I fit one is so I can evade rail and forge fire and get around the map even faster. I see how you feel about afterburners but you have to understand I fly with very skilled gunners in this fit, I'm usually not around long enough for rails or forge guns to get a bead on me. I fly in, my gunners kill/deploy/get in and I'm gone, that's why I don't need more tank and I pray for the speed I need to do my job. A pilot with no gunners has to float and spin around to get kills, I position the dropship and my gunners kill them. This is why I think a python without gunners is less effective than one without. Can't carry as many troops, cant kill as quickly or effectively, can't respond as fast. And I sit and tank and kill the forgers no problem with mods active, and my icubus is faster by default And I kill the forge gun faster because I have both my gunners focusing fire, or one of my gunners gets out and kills him while my other gunner hacks a point in 4 seconds and then we all get out. I still don't know why you think the incubus is faster, but I'll bet a mil isk that in a dragrace my python will win every time.[/quote] My python kills him fast and survives Your fit just sucks dude......2 forgers and your dead 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Sargon Akkadi Ordus Trismegistus 33	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:31:00 - [30] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Your fit just sucks dude......2 forgers and your dead FWIW, that is not what I have observed with Pvt in practice. The AB Python is a very legitimate fit.



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