Nope

If i have 4ppl in it to use it its 4 proto AV to kill it

Like you said now its only takes 1 to use it so it should be 1 to kill it

This. Having the main weapon as a huge glorified AR is simply moronic on so many levels. If we didn't have them tankers would rely on gunners for close AP support, you now, have a need for teamwork, as AV currently need to be any sort of effective.

Tanks = perfectly fine

Large blasters on the current tank frames = game breaking for so many players it should be threated seriously, not merely by HTFU and adpt or die.

Did you ever hear anyone QQ about dying to a missile tank or rail tank as infantry? I have never heard any, its the blasters that pisses people off.

Perhaps its ttime for light weapons doing damage to tanks, l mean if they can shoot me with their AR, wwhy shouldn't my AR do dmage to them?

So even if you only had a driver and a main gunner it would still take 4 Proto AV to kill your HAV? lol, sad thing is I know you're serious with that despite the fact that it is a ludicrous demand.

Is the HAV Proto too or is it just a run of the mill Gunnlogi/Madrugar?

IMHO, if the HAV is anything less than Proto, against Proto AV it should take no more than 2 AV guys to pop the HAV.

Personally, I think that anywhere from two to four to operate effectively (ie drive and fire at the same time) would be balanced with a requirement of 3 AV of equivalent tier to the hull in order to destroy the hull. Remember, I am basing these comparisons on the assumption that the AV has no damage mods and the HAV has no hardeners.

If damage mods/hardeners are included, they should modify the base requirements though the base requirements should be calculated off of a "No damage mods/hardeners" assumption.

Another thing to take into account.

If you have a full-time driver and a full-time main gunner (not to mention the possibility of two full-time secondary gunners), both (all) of whom are dedicating their attention to their position in the crew and you still can't evade/kill three AVers of equivalent tier to the hull?

Well, if that is the case, you deserve to lose that HAV.

Not my rules, infantry keep saying 1 is in so 1 to kill well if 4 is in it 4 to kill

Proto HAV, but a specalized HAV since it requires 4 to use it

If i have a driver/3 gunners then i will not die to 3 AVers because remember your rule, its takes the same amount of ppl to kill whats in the tank

4 is the magic number

Tanks right now are fast, durable, and can deal massive damage to infantry.
Which two aspects would you like to keep? Because you're not allowed to have all three.

Funny, I play with a tank like everything else in the game. I play to enjoy things. Really, many of you players need to reevaluate why you play a video game. You keep wanting to assume others play this game with the same dire attitude that you do. You could play a tank too; but, choose not to and then show an unreasoned hatred for it. If you are playing for any other reason than fun then please quit the game. You are ruining it for everyone else.

Console kiddies. Whatcha gonna do.

It is a TANK... Not a little dropsuit... Tank vs. Humanoid... Hmm my bets are on the tank...

Oh to answer your poll,,, ill take all 3 tyvm

Yea i did

Closed beta, but large missiles then got nerfed to uselessness even tho we fired 4 missiles at the feet of infantry and infantry complained that it killed them

Can you guess how much damage 12 large missiles does to infantry?

It barely scratches them and you need a direct hit to even get that chance of a kill but yet they can stand in the middle of 12missiles and be fine

Not my rules, infantry keep saying 1 is in so 1 to kill well if 4 is in it 4 to kill

Proto HAV, but a specalized HAV since it requires 4 to use it

If i have a driver/3 gunners then i will not die to 3 AVers because remember your rule, its takes the same amount of ppl to kill whats in the tank

4 is the magic number

Tankers = thales users.

They want to be safe from most of the game while still killing others.

Unfortunately thales users, and soon to be nerfed tanks, incite a mouth frothing rage that makes people forget about isk efficiency, K/D ratios, and anything else in the quest to kill the carebears.

So, when tanks get nerfed and AV vs tanks is balanced, expect every single tank that gets deployed to be mercilessly destroyed almost instantly because of the hatred that you tankers have caused. Just like what happened after tanks got nerfed the first time, people remember and they do not forgive.

Tank crew should be 3, at least initially, because this is dead easy for CCP to implement. Give the driver the front small turret, move the 3rd person view to the top turret.

Now balance that against 3 AV infantry with roughly the same SP, spending about the same amount of ISK. That should be a 50/50 fight.

OK you probably did, fair enough. My point still stands though. The large blasters are the main problem with tanks. AP with the main turret should be skillfull weapon use, not the spray and kill everything in sight we have now. If we did get a locking mechanic for the small turrets, or something as simple as "for squad members only", do you then agree that the most effective AP guns should be in the form of the smaller turrets?

The ccombination of speed, durability and the awsome destructive power vs just about anything is a tad too much.

The real reason l believe for most of the QQ is the current scale of it all, its magnitude if you like. As a CQC slayer and infantry support player it really gets old to have to spend this amount of games hideing to tanks, its not fun and l am left with either hideing or use about 5 m sp for an somewhat effective AV fit. Or l can simply call in a militia tank of my own, all of which are bad for me cause llike to push objectives and slay reddots.

All in all tanks are way too dominant, they make life misserable for such a large part of this community and we have to ask ourselves if this is really what we want. You and so many others QQ about my use of protogear in pubgames, so l can flip it around and say why use a tank in pubgames? Think about those poor new players... And you''ll say "Duh, l'm a tanker, thats what l do, what do you expect me to do?" And l can say, l'm a logi, try putting the proto medkit, an insanely expensive to fit allotek hive and a proto scanner on an enhanced cal logi suit...... And the circle of QQ continues...

Solguess the only thing we can really agree upon is that militia tanks should be ne+òfed, this will make life a lot easierfor most players. The "true tankers" will have an easier time vs scrub tankers and so will the infantry too.That someone thats invested 20 m sp and spent 500k - 1 m isk on a tank is hard to kill we all get.

I don't claim to have the ansver, but something needs to be done, its simply not fun for the vast majorityof theplayerbase, and that can't be a good thing.

(Some bad writing here, sorry, l never should have gotten a tablet)

Uhh.. in what world are forge guns better than tanks? D.

TANKAHIRO! WHERE IS MY PUBLIC APOLOGY!?

I think you still owe me one after i proved you wrong about rail guns oh so long ago, and i have been anticipating it with bated breath.

I think? source?