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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13096	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:45:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 744	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:52:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar Medic: 2 shield extenders, recharger. Flaylock, smg, locus. Needle. Minmatar Sniper: Precision rifle, Smg, damage mod, extender and recharger. Minmatar demolitions/Av: mass driver, Smg, remote explosives, locus. Shield extender, damage mod(S)(L) Minmatar infitrator(Light frame) cardiac regulator, kinetic catalyzer. militia Assault Cr(if not, then SMG) Nova knives, remotes. Minmatar frontline: Combat rifle, flaylock, locus. 2extenders, damage mod. Minmatar Sentinel: Hmg, flaylock. (Forget militia slot layout, will edit) These. No using Myrofibs on a medic CCP >.<' Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1623	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:52:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. Is this an implication that we are getting the Amarr sniper Rifle, Precision Rifle and Trenchgun (in addition to any other weapons I might be forgetting) in 1.8 as well? Vehicles too? "and the like" would lead me to believe so. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5739	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:53:00 - [4] - Quote When you say "militia only", do you only want fits using currently available militia items, or is it assumed that all modules equipped are of a militia grade (regardless if it has a militia variant or not)? This thread is sorely needed. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5114	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:55:00 - [5] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Is this an implication that we are getting the Amarr sniper Rifle, Precision Rifle and Trenchgun (in addition to any other weapons I might be forgetting) in 1.8 as well? Vehicles too? "and the like" would lead me to believe so. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, I'm sorry....I can't stop laughing > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1623	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:56:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Is this an implication that we are getting the Amarr sniper Rifle, Precision Rifle and Trenchgun (in addition to any other weapons I might be forgetting) in 1.8 as well? Vehicles too? "and the like" would lead me to believe so. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, I'm sorry....I can't stop laughing I can hope can't I? I'm pretty sure I am not the only one hoping either. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2332	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:11:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. I know my Gal so I'll do my gal Sniper Sniper Rifle, Magsec SMG Scanner (Need a MLT version) 3 Reps Recon Shotgun, Ion Pistol, Scanner Scout Damp in lows, Range Amp Highs Medic, AR, Ion Pistol, Injector 2 Plates 1 Rep Frontline, AR, Ion Pistol, Scanner 2 Reps 1 Plate Heavy AV, Gal AV/Forge gun 2 Plates Heavy, Gal Heavy Weapon 2 Reps Listen I'll change the song every week
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 571	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:14:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. Can we get militia everything please? It seems asinine that only some items come in militia form. The increased fitting costs is fair.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1096	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:23:00 - [9] - Quote Not even going to try anymore until there are more militia items. Also, we only need Frontline (assault/damage), medic (assault/defense), Sniper (light), and anti-armor (heavy) WE know about the extra classes that you're trying to create and what they're roles should be, but chances are that the newer players don't. Giving them too many options may be a negative thing. Unless, of course, Academy is fixed until 25wp and you unlock the other roles as pre-fitted BPC when they reach 10k WP or something. This way, there won't be much of an impact on BPOs and they'll learn their play style and how to minimize loss since they only have say 100 suits of the pre-fitted roles. But again, you have to add/fix a few things first before recreating the starter suits.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:29:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. The hard part is that we don't have all racial weapons in all sizes but I will try for Amarr Sniper- Sniper rifle, scrambler pistol, light damage mod, plate and rep. Recon- Shotgun, Precision Enhancer, uplink and rep. Medic- SMG, sidearm damage mod, rep tool and plate. Frontline- AR, grenades, shield recharger, needle and reps. (A hive would work instead of the needle.) Heavy AV- Forge, scrambler pistol, heavy damage mod, dual plate. Heavy- HMG, heavy damage mod, grenades and dual plate. There is no militia scrambler or laser rifle so I didn't put them in but I would give the Frontline a scrambler and the Heavy a LR. I know it sounds weird because of the current bonus but it is almost as good as the assaults heat build up bonus. A heavy doesn't have to have a heavy weapon. I have a templar set and I use the LR on the sentential, I love that suit with that rifle. I like the combo enough that I am about to put some SP in to heavy suits as they are now. Their turn speed and large pool of HP make the laser rifle pretty easier to use. All of these suits need a static bonus that is different from any other suit's bonus. The bonus needs to emphasize one thing and be good enough that it allows us to alter the starter fits enough so that dumping SP into a suit isn't needed until the core is leveled up. Much like the suits we have now but with a bonus. The starter fits we have now are very robust and with good core skills can save a lot of ISK and SP because you don't have to use higher tier suits to be able to stay in the fight. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1625	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:32:00 - [11] - Quote Almost forgot, Sniper, <-Precision Rifle, SMG, Locus, Nanohive, Shield Extender, Precision Enhancer, Profile Damp Medic, <-Combat Rifle, Flaylock, Flux, Injector, Shield Extender, Shield Recharger, Shield Regulator Frontline, <-Combat Rifle, SMG, Locus, Remotes, Shield Extender (x2), Shield Regulator Heavy, <-HMG, Flaylock, AV, Prox, Shield Extender, KinCat, Shield Regulator This is on the assumption that we've got MLT everything. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 179	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:34:00 - [12] - Quote I miss the arbiter scout starter, so PLEASE BRING IN A STARTER SCOUT FIT Amar: Damage mod Scr Scp Armor And armor rep Calamari Sniper rifle Magsec/knives Shields Red / green Gallente Percision mod Sg Pistol Profile damp Range Armor rep Minmatar Shields Combat rifle Smg Red/green We need starters with race weapons and gear even tho we don't have militia variants, or you need to make militia variants, and the light weapon should be associated with the job and play style , we need light suits, but not all need to have snipers as the light weapon for the scout although the caldari could be debatable for the sniper or RR and the gallente could be a AR or a SG or the black eagle could be the scout starter although it wouldn't be able to cloak like other starter scouts
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:39:00 - [13] - Quote Get us militia versions of all the racial weapons and it's easy. Without, what's the point?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1096	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:40:00 - [14] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. The hard part is that we don't have all racial weapons in all sizes but I will try for Amarr Sniper- Sniper rifle, scrambler pistol, light damage mod, plate and rep. Recon- Shotgun, Precision Enhancer, uplink and rep. Medic- SMG, sidearm damage mod, rep tool and plate. Frontline- AR, grenades, shield recharger, needle and reps. (A hive would work instead of the needle.) Heavy AV- Forge, scrambler pistol, heavy damage mod, dual plate. Heavy- HMG, heavy damage mod, grenades and dual plate. There is no militia scrambler or laser rifle so I didn't put them in but I would give the Frontline a scrambler and the Heavy a LR. I know it sounds weird because of the current bonus but it is almost as good as the assaults heat build up bonus. A heavy doesn't have to have a heavy weapon. I have a templar set and I use the LR on the sentential, I love that suit with that rifle. I like the combo enough that I am about to put some SP in to heavy suits as they are now. Their turn speed and large pool of HP make the laser rifle pretty easier to use. All of these suits need a static bonus that is different from any other suit's bonus. The bonus needs to emphasize one thing and be good enough that it allows us to alter the starter fits enough so that dumping SP into a suit isn't needed until the core is leveled up. Much like the suits we have now but with a bonus. The starter fits we have now are very robust and with good core skills can save a lot of ISK and SP because you don't have to use higher tier suits to be able to stay in the fight. Invalid fittings. Militia Amarr frames don't have low slots. They only have 2 highs. These are the slots for the militia medium: Amarr: -L Weapon -S Weapon -Equipment -2 High Slots Minmatar: -L Weapon -S Weapon -Equipment -3 High Slots Caldari: -Same weapons and equipment -2 High -1 Low Gallente: -again same -3 lows Not sure about CPU and PG these suits have since I haven't really checked it lately. Will update once I get back on PS3 if no one has done it by that time.
Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:45:00 - [15] - Quote So a hint on OP or other post to make a Heavy Anti Vehicle which I'm guessing would be a heavy with a mlt forge gun and whatever heavy AV weapons they come up later on; the idea of ANY heavy frame being part of the Starter fits seems a blatant overlooking of the chance to just change that yellow frame to be a cheap pseudo assault. I believe even AV heavies shouldn't ever be included as starter because it is so cheap to have that kind of fit even as a casual or low SP toon that it should be something that you think of putting together than just a default option. Anyhow, One suit I would love to see tweaked, ever so slightly, any and all Medic frames. Please include a Rep Tool, this focuses more on support and patching your teammates than being an opportunist looking for those sweet WP's A scout starter fit would be idyllic for more people to dip their toe and realize how useful it can be, regardless of HP. Minmatar Stalker KinCat Dampener L: Combat Rifle* S: SMG grenades militia CR and RR are way overdue Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!! Lucky Number 29*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4687	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:06:00 - [16] - Quote I'm confused. Is this implying that there will be militia items for the new suits as well?
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 746	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:09:00 - [17] - Quote Most likely not, but it's more of a 'rather than Ccp make them up(and we all know how good they are at that lol)I'm askin you guys what you think these stsrter fits should be' For instance the Gallente fits ALL feature 2 rep 1 armor. The minmatar medic has a damage mod and a myrofib(blue bottle) Caldari sniper has a cardireg and 2 rechargers. Amarr has no low slots (WTF.) Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 450	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:34:00 - [18] - Quote Amarr: Sniper : none available, must use caldari sniper weapon Medic: none available, must use caldari needles/minmatar reps Recon: Amarr scout/amarr uplinks Frontline: just change the rifle to a scrambler Heavy AV : none available Heavy : no weapon available Of course the amarr medium frames should change from 2 high slots to 2 low slots and they should both be armor plates. Real simple actually for amarr: Highs (if any) should be damage, lows should be plates. All suits should use Scrambler/Scrambler pistol and thats it because we only have 3 weapons and I wouldn't wish the laser rifle on a noob. QED. Just because there is suit racial parity doesn't mean that we have enough to make a starter fit racial parity. Amarrians have no: Grenades Heavy weapons Sniper rifles 2nd equipment type AV So it is pretty difficult to make amarr starter suits like that. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4201	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:04:00 - [19] - Quote There should be a class know as "Vanguard". This would be your standard anti proto suit. Militia Heavy Militia Rifle Militia SMG Militia Locus Grenades Militia Shield Extenders Militia Armor Reps My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:19:00 - [20] - Quote Do the actual classes need to be 1-to-1 identical across the races? Will the Amarr, for instance, ever have an actual Sniper Rifle or Shotgun or Light AV? Why not create Mil versions of their ALL the weapons and build the starter classes around the more interesting playstyles some of them allow? Amarr Suppressor w/ LR, Min Demo with MD, Gal Breacher with PlC (or Shotgun, if you wanna be... casul), et cetera. Could list the starter fits at racial selection screen, or at least info about a race's style to guide new players' choice.

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 749	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:38:00 - [21] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Do the actual classes need to be 1-to-1 identical across the races? Will the Amarr, for instance, ever have an actual Sniper Rifle or Shotgun or Light AV? Why not create Mil versions of their ALL the weapons and build the starter classes around the more interesting playstyles some of them allow? Amarr Suppressor w/ LR, Min Demo with MD, Gal Breacher with PlC (or Shotgun, if you wanna be... casul), et cetera. Could list the starter fits at racial selection screen, or at least info about a race's style to guide new players' choice. While that does make sense considering what ee have now- we can't have Amarr completeley lacking in a reliable anti vehicle measure. Same as caldari lacking a CQC building breacher-aka shotgun. Same with a Gallente answer to Long range firepower- in Eve that's accomplished with drones. Along those same lines- minmatar for the longest time needed SOME way to breach a heavily defended building with cover- thus the heavy will be born. Amarr needed a fast response intel relayer.scout. For the tome being though, we could have Amarr use the Caldari Sniper, same for the gallente. Amarr's AV could be the swarm, as they also use missile tech. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3436	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:00:00 - [22] - Quote Since it's "on-topic" here, I'll note that I made a post about adding a MLT Assault Scrambler Rifle. Why a MLT Assault Scrambler and not a regular one? Well, because the math on the regular one means that the Amarr Frontline is capped out on PG with a STD Scrambler slotted and no skills - so, if you want to do the normal MLT thing and raise the fitting, you can't use a STD Scrambler as-is. Note that the Amarr Frontline model is currently: 2 MLT Light Damage mods 1 MLT AR 1 MLT Scrambler Pistol 1 MLT Locus Grenade So, it's not a particularly exotic fitting that's straining it. There's also some balance issues with existing stats. The MLT Scrambler Pistol and MLT SMG have the same fitting stats (20 CPU, 5 PG), the STD Scrambler Pistol on the other hand has lower fitting than a STD SMG - so the MLT Scrambler Pistol is being penalized for some reason, relative to the other available MLT sidearm. As has been pointed out, the Amarr Militia suit has 2 high slots, which seems a little odd for an armor tanking race. I suppose the theory is that the high slots are for damage mods? The MLT Damage mods comprise a fair chunk of the fitting issues on the suit as well though. At 30 CPU 5 PG, they have the same power draw as an enhanced mod, and take a third of the base PG on the suit. In my aforementioned post, I provide potential stats for a "MLT Assault Scrambler Rifle", with the idea being that we could create a militia model capable of fitting on the current suit. This has the benefit of giving a starting character another "assault" type rifle which is user-friendly in a way the semi-auto rifle is not. The stats are scaled percentage-wise in the same way that most of the weapons in the game are. That said, there are other solutions. The Amarr suits recently revealed as the new Sentinel, Commando, Scout, and such have experienced a shift towards more defined armor-tanking. In the process, they also made the slot numbers even between the races. In that framework, you could create an Amarr MLT suit that is more suited to Armor tanking and has equal slots to its compatriots. I'd recommend a split similar to the Caldari, like 1H, 2L. With that sort of layout, you could drop a damage mod for an armor plate and an armor repairer. The combined PG cost for the MLT armor plate 15cpu 2 pg and MLT armor repper 25cpu 2pg = 40cpu 4pg (iirc), which is actually slighty cheaper PG-wise than a single MLT damage mod. Much better. That +1 PG savings won't do much for allowing fitting for a rifle with higher PG-reqs than a STD Scrambler though. Fitting shield modules on an Amarr suit would also be silly. I think it'll be odd going forward if the Amarr medium frames are alone among the Amarr frames for not having equal slots or the shift towards armor tanking seen in the other suits. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:03:00 - [23] - Quote Talking about slight different things. Suits classes (as in Light/Medium/Heavy) are one thing, and every race needs an option for each with racially appropriate stats. However, weapons/equipment (and the "themed" fittings to be built with them) are another. Caldari are essentially long range fighters, so the RR and SR and (well, pre-nerf) Swarms make sense. A Cal Shotty wouldn't really jive with their philosophy (though I guess... dumbfire swarms!). We don't know what the third Amarr weapon will be, but I wouldn't bet on it being a shotty, either. What I guess we really need to know is if the weapons are going stop at Racial Rifle, Racial Specialist, Racial AV, or if those are even the way CCP is approaching weapon development. If we look at them: Cal: RR SR SL Gal: AR SG PlC Min: CR MD Precision Rifle (.50 cal with armor piercing rounds?) Amarr: ScR LR ??? It would appear we could categorize them in the aforementioned trifurcate manner, but who knows, things get murky. Like, is the laser a suppressive weapon or their version of a sniper? The PlC is described as being designed for "confined space combat", but a dev mentioned it as being an AV weapon in a post here (works best in those confined spaces rather than AV, ime). If the PR is the Min instance of the Sniper class, then do they have AV coming? Alternatively, none of these classifications or ideas could be the reality. CCP might be thinking every race gets three weapons plain and simple with regard for "class", or maybe they'll just give us more and more new weapons over time whenever they cook up something they like.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:08:00 - [24] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. The hard part is that we don't have all racial weapons in all sizes but I will try for Amarr Sniper- Sniper rifle, scrambler pistol, light damage mod, plate and rep. Recon- Shotgun, Precision Enhancer, uplink and rep. Medic- SMG, sidearm damage mod, rep tool and plate. Frontline- AR, grenades, shield recharger, needle and reps. (A hive would work instead of the needle.) Heavy AV- Forge, scrambler pistol, heavy damage mod, dual plate. Heavy- HMG, heavy damage mod, grenades and dual plate. There is no militia scrambler or laser rifle so I didn't put them in but I would give the Frontline a scrambler and the Heavy a LR. I know it sounds weird because of the current bonus but it is almost as good as the assaults heat build up bonus. A heavy doesn't have to have a heavy weapon. I have a templar set and I use the LR on the sentential, I love that suit with that rifle. I like the combo enough that I am about to put some SP in to heavy suits as they are now. Their turn speed and large pool of HP make the laser rifle pretty easier to use. All of these suits need a static bonus that is different from any other suit's bonus. The bonus needs to emphasize one thing and be good enough that it allows us to alter the starter fits enough so that dumping SP into a suit isn't needed until the core is leveled up. Much like the suits we have now but with a bonus. The starter fits we have now are very robust and with good core skills can save a lot of ISK and SP because you don't have to use higher tier suits to be able to stay in the fight. Invalid fittings. Militia Amarr frames don't have low slots. They only have 2 highs. These are the slots for the militia medium: Amarr: -L Weapon -S Weapon -Equipment -2 High Slots Minmatar: -L Weapon -S Weapon -Equipment -3 High Slots Caldari: -Same weapons and equipment -2 High -1 Low Gallente: -again same -3 lows Not sure about CPU and PG these suits have since I haven't really checked it lately. Will update once I get back on PS3 if no one has done it by that time. I don't know them so I was just throwing them out there. I do know that one of the Gal starters doesn't have highs. Also, I figure they'll redo the starter fits so might as well get wild like T-Rex eggs. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 335	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:19:00 - [25] - Quote I know Gal so i'll suggest for them... Replace all basic plates with reactive,leave rep mods the same. Remove MLT injectors and replace with MLT rep tool. Add a MLT scanner to frontline versions. 4 different versions of frontline,each equipped with a different rifle (assault,burst,tac,breach) to allow experimentation with them. For heavies...uhh...i'll let someone who plays a heavy tell you good load outs. Same for light... Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Rogue Saint Science For Death 782	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:11:00 - [26] - Quote The whole NPE needs to be rethought as many of us know. I would prefer if the NPE was way more structured: Player chooses race. Player chooses suit class. Player gets ONE MLT suit appropriate to that class with its fittings locked (i.e. you can't override the slots) The skill tree is cut right back to the skills needed for the class Player grinds the Academy until he/she gets certain levels in the reduced skill tree (guided of course) Player graduates from Academy once certain skills are at the correct levels On graduation the MLT is removed and replaced with X number of fitted "real" suits These new suits are not locked so modules etc. can be changed. The entire skill tree is then unlocked. This process will produce better focused players, who have a reasonable amount of SP and understanding of all the maps/modes. My 2 cents worth. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13100	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:15:00 - [27] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: When you say "militia only", do you only want fits using currently available militia items, or is it assumed that all modules equipped are of a militia grade (regardless if it has a militia variant or not)? This thread is sorely needed. assume all new guns could have a militia version. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:34:00 - [28] - Quote Didn't we already get this thread once from a bluetag? And didn't people just use that thread to ***** and moan instead of making suggestions? My suggestions don't quite follow the OP post, but I feel that we need more than just those placebo variants. (Edit: Seems like the rules have changed to include my suggestions) Also, the ideas here are based on a perfect world where militia shield extenders are actually worth it and the PLC and swarmers can do actual damage. The Medics should be two-slot Logis with injector + racial equipment. Having only two slots makes them militia material. AV fits should reflect each race. Minmatar gets a light suit with REs, kin cats and only (one) sidearm(s). Amarr gets a heavy with an FG. Caldari gets a medium with swarmer and AV grenades. Gallente gets a medium with PLC and flux grenades, though that might be kind of shield-heavy. There might also be a "specialist" fit for each faction. Shotgun for Gallente, Mass driver for Minmatar, Laser Rifle for Amarr and I don't know what for Caldari. The scout class gets cloak + sensible racial equipment. My idea here is a class that works in isolation, by supporting the team from afar. The most common situation will be hacking and defending far-out objectives with few enemies. For example, Caldari gets a nanohive and has the fitting balanced towards self-sufficiency to make that ammo bonus worthwhile. This means rail rifle and a scan range enhancer, to allow them to maximize their range advantage. Shield extender and a single armor repper because otherwise armor damage would cripple them over time. Minmatar with a rep tool wouldn't make much sense. They'd get REs and possibly a flaylock as sidearm. CR obviously as main. Focused on hit and run with kin cats and maybe even a cardiac regulator. Mix of shield extenders, reactive/ferroscale plates and shield recharge modules. The increased delay on shield recharge doesn't matter on hit and run classes and is more of a disadvantage for frontline fighters that regenerate behind cover. Gallente have the scanner, which is gives their existence away. Their weapons would be racial (Either AR or shotgun) and their modules should be along the lines of repair/reactive plates, as well as a profile dampener. Staying low on radar profile but creating the scan message allows them to freak people out and their racial equipment makes it easy for them to ambush due to the CQC focus. Amarr would be semi-frontline fits. Drop uplink is their racial equipment and means that they should be able to protect the position until reinforcements arrive. Scrambler Rifle, Scrambler Pistol, shield and armor modules. I don't know enough to write much on Amarr.
Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 7	Posted - 2014.02.15 12:49:00 - [29] - Quote Caldari Light suits Sniper, sniper rifle(35cpu,11pg), magsec smg(27.5cpu,5pg)(62.5cpu,16pg) 2x damage mod(60cpu, 10pg) shield extender(23cpu, 4pg) profile dampener(18cpu,0pg) total 163.5cpu(174), 30pg(33) Recon, magsec smg(27.5cpu,5pg), nova knive(13.75cpu,2.25pg) (41.25cpu, 7.25pg) shield extender and recharger (58cpu, 4pg combined) 2nd shield extender(23cpu, 4pg) drop uplink (50cpu,15pg) total 172.25 cpu(174), 30.25 pg(33) Med suits (note, if assuming same slots, will also assume same pg and cpu(+4pg from current caldari med) just noticed scout has more fitting then assault. Medic, (trickly suit to fit) magsec smg(27.5cpu,5pg), bolt pistol(12.5cpu,7.5pg)(40cpu,12.5pg) shield extender x2(46cpu, 8pg) nanite injector(20cpu,4pg), ferroscale plate(18.75cpu,2.25pg) armor plate (15cpu,2pg) total 139.75cpu(150), 28.75 pg(30) (shield tank has more pg issues then cpu?) Frontline,RR(32.5cpu,7.5 pg), magsec smg(27.5cpu,5pg) (60cpu,12.5pg) shield extender and recharger (58cpu, 4pg combined), locus grenade(12cpu,4pg) armor plate or ferroscale(cant have both) total 130cpu(150) 20.5pg(26) plus plate Heavy AV, forge gun(60cpu,13pg), pick your sidearm(both fit) (magsec can also fit locus grenade) damage mod(30cpu, 5pg) shield extender(23cpu, 4pg) shield regulator (15cpu,2pg) total 128 cpu(185), 24 pg(34) Heavy, (would only do 1 heavy per race (caldari forge, gallente/minmatar hmg, amarr laser?) but will make this anywhere) HMG (66.25cpu,5.25pg) shield extender x2(46cpu, 8pg) armor plate (15cpu,2pg) locus grenade(12cpu,4pg) (would consider flux grenade instead) total 139.25cpu(185), 19.25pg(34)
excillon The Wreckers 247	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:11:00 - [30] - Quote If we get a respec and we are getting parity does that mean we can get to repick our race? I didn't know then what I know now and want to be Caldari.

Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:44:00 - [31] - Quote Why not have two sets of starter fits? One that is open to everyone right away, and one that becomes available at some point, halfway through the academy or whatever. The first one would be: AV, Assault (combination of Medic and Frontline) and Support (hives + repair tool) and the second tier one would include more specialized roles like sniper, heavy, heavy AV and the likes.
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:02:00 - [32] - Quote I agree the starter fits should be reworked in 1.8 to include the new racial weapons and new items, i would also like to choose my race again Director:Diplomat Search DL514 to apply
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4481	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:09:00 - [33] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: The whole NPE needs to be rethought as many of us know. I would prefer if the NPE was way more structured: Player chooses race. Player chooses suit class. Player gets ONE MLT suit appropriate to that class with its fittings locked (i.e. you can't override the slots) The skill tree is cut right back to the skills needed for the class Player grinds the Academy until he/she gets certain levels in the reduced skill tree (guided of course) Player graduates from Academy once certain skills are at the correct levels On graduation the MLT is removed and replaced with X number of fitted "real" suits These new suits are not locked so modules etc. can be changed. The entire skill tree is then unlocked. This process will produce better focused players, who have a reasonable amount of SP and understanding of all the maps/modes. My 2 cents worth. While this is an awesome idea, there needs to be an option to bypass ANY forced skill training and work on the character the way YOU want to - not all players want the same things out of the same suits, and forcing them into a specific role will actually have a negative effect on diversity.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 604	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:27:00 - [34] - Quote Minmitar- Medic- 2x extenders, 1x recharger, SMG, Flaylock, locus, needle Frontline-2x extenders, 1x damage, combat rifle, flaylock, locus, nanohive Sniper-2x damage, 1x recharger, precision rifle, SMG, locus AV-2x damage, 1x extender, mass driver, flay lock, AV grenade, remote explosive Infiltrator-1x kincat, 1x cardio regulator, combat rifle, nova knives, drop uplink Heavy- 1x damage, 1x extender, 1x HMG, 1x flay lock, 1x flux grenade Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 754	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:52:00 - [35] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: While that does make sense considering what ee have now- we can't have Amarr completeley lacking in a reliable anti vehicle measure. Same as caldari lacking a CQC building breacher-aka shotgun. Same with a Gallente answer to Long range firepower- in Eve that's accomplished with drones. Along those same lines- minmatar for the longest time needed SOME way to breach a heavily defended building with cover- thus the heavy will be born. Amarr needed a fast response intel relayer.scout. For the tome being though, we could have Amarr use the Caldari Sniper, same for the gallente. Amarr's AV could be the swarm, as they also use missile tech. Talking about slight different things. Suits classes (as in Light/Medium/Heavy) are one thing, and every race needs an option for each with racially appropriate stats. However, weapons/equipment (and the "themed" fittings to be built with them) are another. Caldari are essentially long range fighters, so the RR and SR and (well, pre-nerf) Swarms make sense. A Cal Shotty wouldn't really jive with their philosophy (though I guess... dumbfire swarms!). We don't know what the third Amarr weapon will be, but I wouldn't bet on it being a shotty, either. What I guess we really need to know is if the weapons are going stop at Racial Rifle, Racial Specialist, Racial AV, or if those are even the way CCP is approaching weapon development. If we look at them: Cal: RR SR SL Gal: AR SG PlC Min: CR MD Precision Rifle (.50 cal with armor piercing rounds?) Amarr: ScR LR ??? It would appear we could categorize them in the aforementioned trifurcate manner, but who knows, things get murky. Like, is the laser a suppressive weapon or their version of a sniper? The PlC is described as being designed for "confined space combat", but a dev mentioned it as being an AV weapon in a post here (works best in those confined spaces rather than AV, ime). If the PR is the Min instance of the Sniper class, then do they have AV coming? Alternatively, none of these classifications or ideas could be the reality. CCP might be thinking every race gets three weapons plain and simple with regard for "class", or maybe they'll just give us more and more new weapons over time whenever they cook up something they like. We still need answers to different archetypes- caldari needs an area denial, minmatar needs a method to engage past 200m, gallente needs something to attack past 100m, and amarr needs Av. We don't perse need a caldari shotgun, nor an Amarr sniper rifle. But we DO need an answer to what the enemy might bring. What would gallente do if the enemy brought ALL snipers, sitting on hills, guarding every doorway with a sniper? What would Amarr do, if Minmatar brought out all scouts, fitted with NK's and Cloaks? Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 364	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:58:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. Triage Frontline Heavy Recon Bring back specialisation aswell! Arbiter, artificer, enforcer, dire sentin! Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 600	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:59:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. I would have caldari shield based no armor because shields are their primary We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 302	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote Here's another instance where DUST needs to be like EVE. How are rookie ships handled in EVE? That's the essence of what should be done in DUST. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2528	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:10:00 - [39] - Quote Really, just 1 MLT BPO Fitted Dropsuit per Dropsuit Class. 1 Sentinel, 1 Assault, 1 Scout That should be sufficient to get any player accustomed to the major differences and if properly fitted, can make new players competitive while they find their own lucrative custom fittings. Too many [STARTER FIT]s and you stifle the individuals' need to expand independently. I GÖú Kittens.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 755	Posted - 2014.02.16 00:14:00 - [40] - Quote Ryno actually makes a bit of sense there... Why don't we just start them off with un-fitted dropsuits with only a militia racial AR!? Because that would widen the gap between vets EVEN more. Honestly i see that in the future of DUST, just not soon. We need newbies to have some form of Logi, Assault, scout, and Heavy. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.

Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4048	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:01:00 - [41] - Quote Minmatar: Sniper: Medium frame; light damage mod x3; sniper rifle; smg; nanohive; armor plates; armor rep Recon: Light frame; combat rifle; flaylock; light damage mod; shield extender; locus grenade; uplink; RE; codebreaker; shield regulator Medic: Medium frame; mass driver; smg; shield extender; shield recharger; locus grenade; nanite injector; shield regulator; armor rep Frontline: Medium frame; combat rifle; flaylock; shield extender; light damage mod; locus grenade; nanohive; shield regulator; armor rep Heavy AV: Heavy frame; forge gun; smg; heavy damage mod x2; av grenade; armor rep Heavy: Heavy frame; HMG; SMG; heavy damage mod; shield extender; locus grenade; armor rep Amarr: Sniper: Medium frame; sniper rifle; scrambler pistol; light damage mod x2; nanohive; armor plate; armor rep Recon: Light frame; laser rifle; scrambler pistol; light damage mod; locus grenade; uplink; nanohive; cardiac regulator; armor rep Medic: Medium frame; scrambler rifle; scrambler pistol; shield energizer; shield recharger; locus grenades; repair tool; armor plate; armor rep I don't really feel like doing any more. I am your scan error.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4048	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:39:00 - [42] - Quote I just wanna try the amarr scout! I am your scan error.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 757	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:43:00 - [43] - Quote Amarr only has 2 highs... We should change that to 0/3 though, give gallente 1/2 Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 56	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:19:00 - [44] - Quote This an Amarrian Starter Fit: Frontline (Offensive Loadout): Light Weapon - MLT ScR (If their will ever be one) Sidearm - MLT ScP Grenade - MLT Locus Grenade High - 1 MLT Light Damage Mod & 1 MLT Sidearm Damage Mod Equipment - MLT Drop Uplink Medic (Defensive Suit): Light - MLT Assault ScR (Full-Auto) Sidearm - MLT ScP Grenade - MLT Locus Grenade High - 1 MLT Shield Extender, 1 MLT Shield Recharger Equipment - MLT Nanite Injector Recon (Stealth Suit) - N/A Sniper (Offensive Stealth Suit) - N/A Heavy (Offensive/Defensive Suit) - N/A Heavy AV (Offensive/Defensive Suit) - N/A Now the classes that was trying to make here should be based off the actual faction prepective of how their Starter Fits would be. But i managed to do 2 Fits due to that the Amarrian faction doesnt have a Sniper Rifle, Heavy Gun & AV Gun. Join my Corp HERE
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13103	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:47:00 - [45] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Really, just 1 MLT BPO Fitted Dropsuit per Dropsuit Class. 1 Sentinel, 1 Assault, 1 Scout That should be sufficient to get any player accustomed to the major differences and if properly fitted, can make new players competitive while they find their own lucrative custom fittings. Too many [STARTER FIT]s and you stifle the individuals' need to expand independently. Cept this can give a bad impression as well. Academy troll call in an HAV. Lets say our sentinel is AV armed. This will make new players think that the only suitable to AV is heavies. Where both lights and mediums are more than capable of blowing up said tank. By having the same suit, with two widely different fittings to fulfill widely different goals would make the new player understand that despite it being the same suit the modules are a major factor in role shaping. True less noise is good, but lack of noise is just as bad balance has to be struck. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:50:00 - [46] - Quote This isn't even true video game armor. They got the females models all wrong. This is how your supposed to accurately represent your female characters. http://s3.gamefreaks.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/quiet-mgs-v.jpg Video games are never going to be taken seriously if these liberal developers keep refusing to learn basic clothing and sentence structure. Dust 514 what is that a CoD username from 2003? Unleash the Fogwoggler
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3437	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:18:00 - [47] - Quote I still feel it's odd that all the heavy/light frames are retooled stat-wise, and have an even number of slots. Yet, we're going to keep the Amarr a slot down compared to other races on medium frames with the inexplicable zero low slots and two highs at MLT. Also, as mentioned, if you replaced the AR on the current Amarr Frontline with a STD Scrambler Rifle, you just capped the CPU. So, there's some other shifting required to make a MLT variant that would actually fit, barring swapping out the 2 high slots for shield rechargers or precision enhancers on the MLT Amarr suit. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1215	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:26:00 - [48] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. Though if it does happen i will probably somewhat regret it as one could show up at my back... But a Militia Scout Shotgun might by worth throwing on the general fits... with heavies being strong.. And that suit offering potentially the quickest action pace in the game it could be a gameplay style new players could enjoy a lot.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:29:00 - [49] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I still feel it's odd that all the heavy/light frames are retooled stat-wise, and have an even number of slots. Yet, we're going to keep the Amarr a slot down compared to other races on medium frames with the inexplicable zero low slots and two highs at MLT. Also, as mentioned, if you replaced the AR on the current Amarr Frontline with a STD Scrambler Rifle, you just capped the CPU. So, there's some other shifting required to make a MLT variant that would actually fit, barring swapping out the 2 high slots for shield rechargers or precision enhancers on the MLT Amarr suit. Militia doesn't have to have higher requirements. I mean, all the militia stuff does, but the idea is more that the stuff is simply crappy. The swarmer has a two shot magazine, for example. Militia scrambler rifle could be more unreliable. Stuff like slowly overheating when keeping a shot charged. If you make it crappy enough (Without removing its actual attributes, like the charge function, because new players have to learn what a scrambler rifle is), you can even lower the requirements. This might gimp Amarr starters, but you could argue that a well-used ScR is the most powerful rifle when used with skill. So a gimped version will simply require higher skill of the new player than the other starter fits, which fits right into the Amarr mentality.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6536	Posted - 2014.02.16 12:47:00 - [50] - Quote Note: Using Ion Pistol because Gallente. If Ion pistol doesn't get a militia variant supplement with SMG. Gallente Sniper: MLT light suit MLT Sniper Rifle MLT Ion pistol MLT armor plate 2x MLT armor repairers MLT nanohive MLT Grenade Gallente Recon: MLT light suit MLT Plasma Rifle MLT Ion pistol MLT kinetic catalyzer 2x MLT armor repairers MLT nanohive MLT Grenade Gallente Medic: MLT Medium suit MLT Plasma Rifle MLT Ion Pistol MLT Armor plate MLT armor repairer MLT Cardiac regulator MLT Injector MLT Grenade Gallente Frontline: MLT Medium suit MLT Plasma Rifle MLT Ion Pistol 2x MLT Armor plates MLT Armor repairer MLT nanohive MLT Grenade Gallente Heavy AV: MLT Heavy Frame MLT Forge Gun MLT Ion Pistol MLT Armor Repairer MLT Grenade Gallente Heavy: MLT Heavy Frame MLT HMG MLT Ion Pistol MLT Armor Repairer MLT Grenade There's a serious lack of militia gear... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

KOTEY TIAN Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:41:00 - [51] - Quote Dunno about exact low/high modules layout. In general - dampeners/kinkats/dmg mods in light frames. Armor plates in lows and dmg mods/shield extenders in highs for medium frames. Heavy frames - dmg mods/plates for AV fits and extenders/reps for HMG starters. Caldari: sniper: light frame sniper rifle bolt pistol nanohive locus recon: light frame magsec nova knives scanner/uplink flux assault: medium frame rail rifle magsec locus medic: medium frame rail rifle magsec flux needle heavy: heavy frame HMG magsec locus heavy AV: heavy frame forge magsec flux Gallente: sniper: light frame sniper rifle ion pistol nanohive locus recon: light frame shotgun bolt pistol scanner/uplink flux assault: medium frame plasma rifle ion pistol locus medic: medium frame plasma rifle ion pistol flux needle heavy: heavy frame HMG ion/bolt pistol locus heavy AV: heavy frame forge ion/bolt pistol flux Minmatar: sniper: light frame sniper rifle SMG nanohive locus recon: light frame SMG nova knives/combat rifle scanner/uplink locus assault: medium frame combat rifle flaylock locus medic: medium frame mass driver SMG flux needle heavy: heavy frame HMG SMG locus heavy AV: heavy frame forge SMG flux Amarr: sniper: light frame sniper rifle scrambler pistol nanohive locus recon: light frame scrambler pistol ion pistol uplink locus assault: medium frame scrambler rifle scrambler pistol locus medic: medium frame laser rifle scrambler pistol flux needle heavy: heavy frame HMG scrambler pistol locus heavy AV: heavy frame forge scrambler pistol flux
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1640	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:45:00 - [52] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Really, just 1 MLT BPO Fitted Dropsuit per Dropsuit Class. 1 Sentinel, 1 Assault, 1 Scout That should be sufficient to get any player accustomed to the major differences and if properly fitted, can make new players competitive while they find their own lucrative custom fittings. Too many [STARTER FIT]s and you stifle the individuals' need to expand independently. Cept this can give a bad impression as well. Academy troll call in an HAV. Lets say our sentinel is AV armed. This will make new players think that the only suitable to AV is heavies. Where both lights and mediums are more than capable of blowing up said tank. By having the same suit, with two widely different fittings to fulfill widely different goals would make the new player understand that despite it being the same suit the modules are a major factor in role shaping. True less noise is good, but lack of noise is just as bad balance has to be struck. I would encourage a light and a heavy AV fit and a light and heavy rifle fit just to show that not all AV is heavy and all heavy suits don't have to have a heavy weapon. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 894	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:40:00 - [53] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Minmatar Medic: 2 shield extenders, recharger. Flaylock, smg, locus. Needle. Minmatar Sniper: Precision rifle, Smg, damage mod, extender and recharger. Minmatar demolitions/Av: mass driver, Smg, remote explosives, locus. Shield extender, damage mod(S)(L) Minmatar infitrator(Light frame) cardiac regulator, kinetic catalyzer. militia Assault Cr(if not, then SMG) Nova knives, remotes. Minmatar frontline: Combat rifle, flaylock, locus. 2extenders, damage mod. Minmatar Sentinel: Hmg, flaylock. (Forget militia slot layout, will edit) These. No using Myrofibs on a medic CCP >.<' Is there a militia remote? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1209	Posted - 2014.02.17 05:10:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys since we're getting racial parity with suits, sidearms, and the like in 1.8 How would you design your empires starter fits? Roles needed: Sniper, Recon, Medic, Frontline, Heavy AV, Heavy, Rules Has to be wearable by a total fresh off the the biomass tube noob.\ Militia only items. Should try to emphasize or utilize empire's/races strengths. I know there is not parity with certain weapon classes but fit best as you can where possible so if those guns ever come in we just hot drop and swap. Gallente: Arbiter [STARTER FIT]: Gallente Militia Light Frame;Militia damage mod, Militia Sniper Rifle, militia ion pistol (they aren't ,making new MLT gear because it lessens sales of STD AUR items... so MLT Scrambler Pistol), mlt locus grenade, mlt Active Scanner, mlt profile dampener, mlt profile dampener Artificer [STARTER FIT]: MLT medium Frame; mlt assault rifle, mlt ion pistol, mlt locus grenade, mlt repair tool, mlt armor repair, mlt armor repairer, mlt armor plate Enforcer [STARTER FIT]: MLT Medium Frame; mlt Assault Rifle, mlt Ion Pistol, mlt Locus Grenade, mlt Armor plate, mlt Armor plate, mlt Armor Repairer Sentinel [STARTER FIT]: MLT Heavy Frame; mlt Forge Gun, mlt Ion Pistol, mlt Locus Grenade, mlt Armor plate, mlt armor repairer Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)


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